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Sunday, August 03, 2014

Lenny Dykstra: Out of Prison, and Still Headstrong

A BTF favorite is back… and he’s ready to take your money.

“I became addicted to money,” he conceded. “Money was my drug, and a few other ones, too. But whatever. This is a pretty entertaining interview, isn’t it?”

Guapo Posted: August 03, 2014 at 09:53 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: crime, finances, grit, idiocy, lenny dykstra, mets, phillies, prison

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   1. Rough Carrigan Posted: August 03, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4763414)
He keeps going on saying he's 445-1 in his stock picks but wasn't it pretty conclusively shown that he had copied the stock picks of some other guy?
   2. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4763435)
it's been pretty conclusively established that all stockpicking services are frauds, copying another frauds picks doesn't make your picks any less legitimate.
   3. DA Baracus Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4763438)
He keeps going on saying he's 445-1 in his stock picks but wasn't it pretty conclusively shown that he had copied the stock picks of some other guy?


It's been shown pretty conclusively that Dykstra is a compulsive liar and should not be trusted with or on anything.
   4. CFBF: Killed In The Great Harvest Posted: August 03, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4763449)
On the other hand, his kid is off to a nice start for the Braves' GCL affiliate after being drafted in June, so that's nice.
   5. zonk Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4763506)
Money was like a drug in that it allowed me to buy other drugs...
   6. Buzzkill Posted: August 03, 2014 at 04:43 PM (#4763517)
Can we just give the '86 title to the Red Sox already?
   7. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 03, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4763555)
it's been pretty conclusively established that all stockpicking services are frauds, copying another frauds picks doesn't make your picks any less legitimate.


What about paying $1,000/month for sports picks? That's the right move, yeah?
   8. Swedish Chef Posted: August 03, 2014 at 06:57 PM (#4763559)
On the other hand, his kid is off to a nice start for the Braves' GCL affiliate after being drafted in June, so that's nice.

He probably also avoided Cutter's mistake to let Lenny "invest" his signing bonus.
   9. RMc and the Acevedo Naysayers: Reunion Tour 2016! Posted: August 03, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4763561)
On the other hand, his kid is off to a nice start for the Braves' GCL affiliate after being drafted in June, so that's nice.


"Luke, I am your father...!"
   10. McCoy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4763589)
I was mildly surprised to see MGL advertised as a sports bettor. I had not known that and it seems to me he was described that way in past tense. Was he any good?
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4763597)
I was mildly surprised to see MGL advertised as a sports bettor. I had not known that and it seems to me he was described that way in past tense. Was he any good?


I saw that a few days ago, when I was re-reading another old dormant thread....I didn't know that about him either.
   12. Spahn Insane: bowing to King of Effortless Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4763602)
MGL advertises as a sports bettor? How very commoner/vulgarian of him.
   13. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 01:11 AM (#4763684)
  Tags: crime, finances, grit, idiocy, lenny dykstra, mets, phillies, prison


BEST TAGS EVAH!!
   14. Bote Man sez $/yr not yr/$$ Posted: August 04, 2014 at 03:06 AM (#4763691)
So remind me again why we should care about anything Lenny Dykstra says or does??
   15. AndrewJ Posted: August 04, 2014 at 07:24 AM (#4763703)
Can we just give the '86 title to the Red Sox already?

I defer to Roger Angell in almost everything baseball-related, but 28 years later I still don't understand why he rooted for the Mets, with their myriad personality problems, over the Red Sox in the 1986 World Series.
   16. villageidiom Posted: August 04, 2014 at 08:57 AM (#4763731)
it's been pretty conclusively established that all stockpicking services are frauds, copying another frauds picks doesn't make your picks any less legitimate.
Here at my work they had a bunch of finance interns this summer, and one of the side activities the company had organized for them was a contest on futures trading. There were maybe 7 teams, each with an allotment of fake money they were to use to "buy" and "sell" futures contracts at the going market rate.

One team had a strategy of making no trades and sitting on the money. They finished in second place.

I'm not going to equate finance interns with experienced investors. But finance interns are fine examples of amateurs, and they demonstrated what happens when you give your money to amateurs. The investment world is FULL of amateurs.
   17. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:16 AM (#4763739)
I wish there was footage of Dykstra's processing out of prison.
I imagine Frank Oz standing there: 'One pouch of Levi Garrett. One handful of red twizzlers......'
   18. zonk Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4763741)
I wish there was footage of Dykstra's processing out of prison.
I imagine Frank Oz standing there: 'One pouch of Levi Garrett. One handful of red twizzlers......'


One ashtray, no money in it...
   19. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4763757)
One ashtray, no money in it...


RDF
   20. bob gee Posted: August 04, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4763793)
1 - i'm assuming he copied suttmeier's basic strategy. given how much lenny has lied about nearly everything else, it's not a stretch to assume he took that from suttmeier.

the problem is that lenny's 'strategy' doubles down in a market that isn't completely liquid. so you start off buying 10 options, doubling down for 20 more, then 40 more, etc. you soon come to a point where you can't game the market, because you *are* the market.

so lenny could have 90 straight 'wins' - and the 1 loss would eat up all those wins and then some. what lenny did with his one loser was change things, so he 'sold' them earlier, then said something about hypotheticals and that his trades weren't done with real money, he was just selling a service - i don't even remember what other excuses he came up with. the "paper trading" one came to light when it was shown that he couldn't have placed the trades at the price he said, because only (let's say) 10 options traded at that price, and he was buying 100 or something similar.

if he's still talking about 445-1, he's still a crook and a shyster.

3/16) i trade for my living...but i don't sell any services, nor my trades, etc.

there are definite people and systems that can work. problem is, if they have any success over a period of time, lots more money flows into them (either as a fund, or in this case, people trading the same stocks as the system). that then alters how the market would behave, and causes worse results in the once-successful system.

but most black-box 'systems' are backfitted, only work in a limited timeframe, etc. and should NOT be trusted. for most of those people, it's a case of 'if it was so great, why wouldn't you use it for yourself?' and for the rest, they can sell it to one of the big boys, and rake in a % of the returns.
   21. Flynn Posted: August 04, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4763836)
I defer to Roger Angell in almost everything baseball-related, but 28 years later I still don't understand why he rooted for the Mets, with their myriad personality problems, over the Red Sox in the 1986 World Series.


He's a New Yorker. And they fitted the city pretty well at that time.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: August 04, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4763843)
Those Sox weren't a bunch of choir boys either.
   23. Lassus Posted: August 04, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4763856)
I defer to Roger Angell in almost everything baseball-related, but 28 years later I still don't understand why he rooted for the Mets, with their myriad personality problems, over the Red Sox in the 1986 World Series.

Because the Sox had not completed their punishment yet.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4763898)
I hate to say it, but Lenny doesn't sound like the sort of guy who'll be out of prison for long.

I hope I'm wrong.
   25. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4763982)
I hate to say it, but Lenny doesn't sound like the sort of guy who'll be out of prison for long.

I hope I'm wrong.


Dykstra is a degenerate who has shown time and again that he only cares for himself. I hope for the sake of anyone who may come into contact with him that he is not out of prison for long.
   26. Moeball Posted: August 04, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4764022)
so lenny could have 90 straight 'wins' - and the 1 loss would eat up all those wins and then some.


One of the sad lessons I learned as a day trader back in the late '90s. I could go several days in a row making $$, hitting all my picks, and one f*!#ing bad trade could wipe out all my profits and I'm back at the starting line again. "Winning %" really doesn't mean all that much in the trading game. Very frustrating.

Ironically, after I decided to stop throwing my $$ away on the markets, I briefly went to work for a small R&D company that had listed as one of their investors...Lenny Dykstra! Guess that should have told me I wouldn't last long there...

   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4764040)
Dykstra is a degenerate who has shown time and again that he only cares for himself.


I had kind of hoped that he'd hate dealing with the legal system enough to stick to the straight and narrow in the future. Probably a sucker bet, I know.
   28. bob gee Posted: August 04, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4764131)
26 - was that the vending machine company?

winning % is hugely important if you're trying to sell a system - 80% winners! - but it isn't the measuring stick for trading. it's how much money with how much risk you took to make that money. i've found that you can have a lower winning % with your winners MUCH larger than losers, or a higher winning % with your winners not much less than losers, but you can't have huge losses (relative to account size) and survive.
   29. The Spirit of Salvador Perez Posted: August 04, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4764239)
I used to do drugs, I still do, but I used to too.
   30. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: August 04, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4764295)
I used to do drugs, I still do, but I used to too.


Best stand-up comedian ever.
   31. Moeball Posted: August 05, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4764755)
26 - was that the vending machine company?


No, it was a medical research company trying to build a better mousetrap, er, dialysis machine. And Lenny was one of the investors.

One of the weirdest things that I've ever experienced in my work life - I had been there several months and was working as part of the budget committee for the next fiscal year and our meetings with Sr. Mgmt. showed all kinds of developments in the works. I had access to all sorts of Personnel info and saw in the line item details that the upcoming year's budget included promotions and significant salary increases for me and a couple of others on the Accounting/Finance team per the CFO.

Then came Black Friday. A new company bought the place out, brought in their own people and pink slipped the CFO, VP of Finance, Financial Controller and pretty much our entire dept. So much for that budget I saw!
   32. bob gee Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4765093)
30 - i wouldn't say best, but damn, he was good. glad that there's unreleased performances of his floating around...but i didn't care for los enchiladas (the movie which hasn't seen the light of day).

oh, it's mitch hedberg for those who don't know the line.

31 - that's brutal. esp. since you could see your "future" wages and increased responsibilities...i didn't know lenny was a legit investor in anything other than the car washes (and i guess the magazine, though much of that was on the wimpy model of paying tomorrow for something today).

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