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Likelihood of Upton brothers playing together in Atlanta increases | braves.com: News

The Diamondbacks have really painted themselves in to a corner on this one.

Now the D-backs are looking to strengthen their pitching staff with a deal similar to the one they had agreed to with the Mariners. Had Upton not exercised his right to veto the trade, Arizona was going to receive a strong package that included shortstop Nick Franklin and pitchers Taijuan Walker, Stephen Pryor and Charlie Furbush.

This package would have included three of Seattle’s top six prospects, as rated by MLB.com, plus a veteran reliever in Furbush, who compiled a 2.72 ERA and recorded 53 strikeouts in 46 1/3 innings with the Mariners this past season.

Walker is rated as the game’s fourth-best overall prospect and Franklin ranks 29th on this elite list. Pryor is rated as Seattle’s sixth-best prospect.

If the Braves were to present a comparable package, it would include Julio Teheran or Randall Delgado, Eric O’Flaherty or Jonny Venters, shortstop Nick Ahmed and likely either J.R. Graham or Zeke Spruill.

Jim Furtado Posted: January 11, 2013 at 05:59 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: braves, diamondbacks, justin upton, trade rumors

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   1. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:04 PM (#4345275)
Link doesn't work for me. Here's a good one.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:29 PM (#4345307)
I'm guessing Justin moves to LF, Prado to 3b?
   3. flournoy Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:32 PM (#4345312)
No way would I give up Teheran/Delgado, O'Flaherty/Venters, Ahmed, and Graham/Spruill for Upton.
   4. The District Attorney Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4345316)
"I think that, if Team B wanted to match Team A's offer, they could offer something like this" is not much of a rumor...
   5. Colin Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:31 PM (#4345348)
Why would a team have to match a rejected offer?
   6. zack Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:57 PM (#4345364)
They wouldn't necessarily, but the offer wasn't rejected, it was refused by Upton on a NTC.
   7. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:01 PM (#4345366)
If the Braves were to present a comparable package, it would include Julio Teheran or Randall Delgado, Eric O’Flaherty or Jonny Venters, shortstop Nick Ahmed and likely either J.R. Graham or Zeke Spruill.


That's not a comparable package -- it's a significantly worse one.
   8. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4345372)
The fact they spent time negotiating a trade with Seattle even though they are on Upton's NTC makes me wonder if they specifically did this to establish a firm trade value.
   9. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4345374)
No way would I give up Teheran/Delgado, O'Flaherty/Venters, Ahmed, and Graham/Spruill for Upton.


Why not, exactly?

TINSTAAP
Middle reliever
Low minors infielder
TINSTAAP
   10. xdog Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:16 PM (#4345387)
That's news to me about this likely being McCann's last year in Atlanta. I know shoulder injuries are tough and am hoping for a solid recovery.
   11. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:29 PM (#4345390)
That's news to me about this likely being McCann's last year in Atlanta. I know shoulder injuries are tough and am hoping for a solid recovery.


Atlanta's in a catch-22 with Mac. If he recovers, he prices himself out of their budget. If he doesn't, he's not a good case for extension.
   12. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4345395)
The fact they spent time negotiating a trade with Seattle even though they are on Upton's NTC makes me wonder if they specifically did this to establish a firm trade value.

The problem is that Towers now can't trade for anything less than that value or else be branded incompetent for dealing Upton cheap. I'm having trouble seeing Towers making the case that this package is as good as the Seattle package.
   13. bookbook Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM (#4345398)
So we're left where we started. Uptown isn't going anywhere.
   14. Knock on any Iorg Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4345419)
The problem is that Towers now can't trade for anything less than that value or else be branded incompetent for dealing Upton cheap.

Kevin Towers don't care how he's branded.

Kevin Towers: carefree crusader for mediocrity!
   15. Walt Davis Posted: January 12, 2013 at 02:05 AM (#4345463)
I'm having trouble seeing Towers making the case that this package is as good as the Seattle package.

To whom though? Most fans and media don't follow prospects. SP prospect, SS prospect, RP prospect, ML RP is gonna look the same to a lot of them. Plus he can play the "Unfortunately, Justin Upton gave us no choice after he vetoed the Seattle trade." (Yes, of course they have the choice of not trading him but that's why you badmouth the guy, float as many rumors as possible, etc.)

Now, Upton may really not like Seattle -- if it was just about leverage, you'd think they'd have worked out a deal by now.

Now, I understand that Franklin is considered a good prospect, so it kinda makes sense for Towers to trade for him because he's probably better than the 19 crappy SS he's picked up this offseason. But I'm assuming Ahmed is not a stud prospect so it's possible (just possible) that Towers might like something other than a low minors SS back in this deal with Atlanta.

An Upton/Upton/Heyward OF sounds awfully athletic to me.
   16. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: January 12, 2013 at 03:26 AM (#4345485)
An Upton/Upton/Heyward OF sounds awfully athletic to me.

Terrence Moore's dream outfield.
   17. zachtoma Posted: January 12, 2013 at 04:02 AM (#4345492)

Terrence Moore's dream outfield.


Yeah, mine too.

I was also one of the only ones who thought he was basically right about Andruw Jones (that he'd be an easy HoFer if he had a stronger work ethic and commitment to conditioning), huh - feels odd to be agreeing with Terrence Moore.
   18. Bhaakon Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:34 AM (#4345520)
An Upton/Upton/Heyward OF sounds awfully athletic to me.


I think the A's are too cheap to splurge on a redundant Upton.
   19. jayjay Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4345708)
From the looks of things, I'm not sure there is such a thing as "an easy HoFer" anymore.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:59 PM (#4345785)
I was also one of the only ones who thought he was basically right about Andruw Jones (that he'd be an easy HoFer if he had a stronger work ethic and commitment to conditioning)

Well, probably but Jones' early demise is not uncommon for guys who play a ton early. Jones had the 8th most PA through age 30 in history. If you look at the top 15:

contributed very little after 30: Renteria, Griffey, Jones
still pretty good (or better) but ended "early": Ott, Pinson, Foxx, Mantle, Santo, Mathews

Stuff happens. I'll grant you that Andruw is the only one in that group that I think got seriously out of shape (no idea on Ott, Foxx and Mathews really) but he was never likely to produce a lot in his 30s. Granted, given the way GG voting seems to favor incumbents, if he'd stayed in shape he might have had Mike Cameron's post-30s. But, really, other than that disaster year in LA, there's nothing in Andruw's post-30 stat line that looks particularly out of place. He was always an "old man" style hitter but not a "take and rake god" so that he would become a low-average, high-power lefty masher is pretty much what we'd expect I think.

Obviously he's a better HoF candidate if his career doesn't end in such an "embarrassing" fashion and so "early." But the bulk of his HoF case was always going to be about what he did by 30 and his defense and he's still got that. If you believe in the defense, he's still got a reasonable peak/prime case.
   21. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 12, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4345792)
Upton/Upton/Heyward or Upton/Bourn/Heyward should be a phenomenal defensive alignment.
   22. Accent Shallow Posted: January 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM (#4345906)
I realize O'Flaherty has been money for ATL, but he's not the painful part of the package, you know?
   23. spike Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4353942)
looks like it's going to happen at long last today.
   24. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM (#4353945)
Well done, D-backs, in alienating your best player and then trading him for 70 cents on the dollar.

   25. ColonelTom Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM (#4353949)
The Braves are clearly feeling the pressure to match the Phils' Delmon Young signing.
   26. JJ1986 Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM (#4353952)
MLBTR:

Delgado is not the biggest piece going to Arizona in the trade, but Julio Teheran is staying with the Braves


Who would be bigger than Delgado and not Teheran? Minor? I can't imagine the Dbacks want another SS.
   27. spike Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4353953)
Ugh, rumor is it's Prado. Very disappointed if so.
   28. spike Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:13 AM (#4353957)
Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman
Source: Braves get Justin Upton and Chris Johnson from D-backs for Prado, Delgado, Ahmed and Spruill.
   29. ColonelTom Posted: January 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM (#4353967)
Johnson's a poor defender, but having Andrelton Simmons next to him will help cover that up. Prado's a free agent after this year, which makes the deal even more of a steal for the Braves.

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