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Thursday, March 13, 2014

Livan to make retirement official | nationals.com: News

We all knew those Dusty Baker pitch counts would eventually take their toll.

Jim Furtado Posted: March 13, 2014 at 08:55 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dusty baker, livan hernandez, retirement

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   1. Davo's Favorite Pots Are Pepper Potts Posted: March 13, 2014 at 09:24 AM (#4670783)
Livan Hernandez had been the active leader in innings pitched. With today's announcement, that's now Mark Buehrle.
   2. Russ Posted: March 13, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4670797)
Livan Hernandez had been the active leader in innings pitched. With today's announcement, that's now Mark Buehrle.


I am... so old.
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 09:40 AM (#4670799)
As long a career as Livan Hernandez had, my enduring memory of him will always be this game, where as a 22-year-old rookie he tore up the Braves and outdueled Greg Maddux to tip the NLCS in the Marlins' direction.

He was surprisingly dangerous with the bat as well, with a .221 career BA.
   4. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 13, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4670808)
I remember that game for Eric Gregg calling Bugs Bunny breaking balls a foot off the plate for strikes.
   5. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4670821)
Somewhere in umpire heaven, Eric Gregg is reading this headline and calling it a strike.
   6. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4670826)
I remember that game for Eric Gregg calling Bugs Bunny breaking balls a foot off the plate for strikes.


Yeah, it was nice to see the Braves get a taste of their own medicine, for once.
   7. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:28 AM (#4670838)
He was surprisingly dangerous with the bat as well, with a .221 career BA.

And 10 HR. I remember Livan being used as a pinch-hitter occasionally, and according to BB-Ref it happened 18 times during his career (with 1 hit and 4 sacrifices).

If I am reading BB-REF correctly he added 5.9 WAR with the bat over the course of his career.

   8. I Am Not a Number Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4670842)
Some of Gregg's handiwork back in that 1997 game.
   9. spycake Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4670844)
Looking back over his career, it's interesting to note that Livan was never all that great or dominant, even when he was young. He was always kind of a junkballer with mediocre rate stats (that admittedly turned more mediocre after he turned 30) who could rack up starts and innings around 100 ERA+.

Makes that 15 K playoff game even more bizarre. It wasn't just a couple extra Ks due to the wide zone -- for Livan, it could have been 10 extra Ks, in one game.
   10. spycake Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:36 AM (#4670848)
If I am reading BB-REF correctly he added 5.9 WAR with the bat over the course of his career.


Not really. His raw rBat is -92 runs, but his positional adjustment is +161 runs (replacement level hitting for pitchers is pretty darn low, naturally).

Still doesn't mean it wasn't an asset, though not really comparable to a replacement-level position player.
   11. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4670854)
I'm honestly a little surprised that Livan didn't wind up like El Duque, pitching into his mid-40's.

He was a ton of fun during his prime, when he could be counted upon for some serious inning eating.
   12. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4670875)

Not really. His raw rBat is -92 runs, but his positional adjustment is +161 runs (replacement level hitting for pitchers is pretty darn low, naturally).

Still doesn't mean it wasn't an asset, though not really comparable to a replacement-level position player.


Yeah, I think replacement level is the same as average for pitchers (since pitchers aren't evaluated based on their hitting ability, replacement level doesn't make sense in that context). So Livan added 5.9 WAR to his pitching total by being a better-than-average hitter for a pitcher. It's not a huge amount but it's real value.
   13. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 13, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4670878)
I'm honestly a little surprised that Livan didn't wind up like El Duque, pitching into his mid-40's.

El Duque was supposedly only 41 in his last season. And Livan was 38!
   14. Rickey! is just here so he don't get fined Posted: March 13, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4670880)
Somewhere in umpire heaven, Eric Gregg


If Eric Gregg is in umpire heaven, I will hunt down G*d and kill him slowly.
   15. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4670907)
If Eric Gregg is in umpire heaven, I will hunt down G*d and kill him slowly.
Gregg will watch your shot miss God by four feet and then he'll yell "You shot God!"
   16. Joey B. Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4670909)
It's amazing to me that it has been almost nine years already now since Livo threw that first meaningful pitch in Washington in decades. Time sure as hell does fly by.

I'm glad that the organization seems to be finding a coaching/mentor type role for him. Hopefully it works out and he sticks around for a while.
   17. Rickey! is just here so he don't get fined Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4670913)
Hopefully it works out and he sticks around for a while.


Preferably on a pike.
   18. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4670918)
Not nearly as momentous, but when I think of Livan, I tend to think of this game. A 150-pitch battle through the final two innings of a nine-inning start (no decision, as it turned out). He clearly had very little left in the tank, but kept on chuckin'.
   19. boteman Posted: March 13, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4670961)
I'm sure gonna miss that Large Tub of Goo. I don't know why, I just do.
   20. crict Posted: March 13, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4670987)
When acquired by the Expos, he had regressed to the point of being a borderline MLB pitcher. After a matchup with the Jays, their pitching coach pointed a flaw in his delivery (tipping pitches I guess). He immediately turned things around and gave a second life to his career.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: March 14, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4671274)
Does BPro have a headline today saying "see, we told you so!"

:-)

(I kid ... I'm actually one to semi-defend their take on Livan. He remained durable but his performance did drop substantially after his "abuse.")

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