Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Lott: A.J. BURNETT PEAKING JUST IN TIME TO LEAVE

4.67 ERA? ERA+ 91?.....Yikes! Peak International Hill Climb, indeed!

Blessed with a Hall of Fame arm, Burnett has been a deeply flawed pitcher: obstinate, inconsistent and injury-prone.

All he ever wanted to do was strike people out. When things went wrong—a misguided pitch, an untimely walk, a niggling umpire—his autonomic response was to try to throw 100 miles an hour instead of settling for 96.

This year, that has changed, most of the time, and especially in the past two months.

Burnett has enjoyed a healthy season for the first time. He still admires strikeouts, and he has the most in the American League. But he has also come to appreciate “pitching to contact”—making batters hit the ball, albeit feebly, to his defenders. Notwithstanding occasional lapses, he keeps his emotions in check.

Repoz Posted: August 19, 2008 at 11:31 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: blue jays

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 19, 2008 at 11:49 AM (#2908115)
This year, that has changed, most of the time, and especially in the past two months.

First Griffin and now this. A.J. Burnett's having a lousy season, possibly the worst of his career and the two months this season when the most balls were put in play, April and August, are the months with ERAs of 6.07 and 6.11.
   2. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) Posted: August 19, 2008 at 12:03 PM (#2908123)
Its quite remarkable he's squeezed 15 wins out of that crappy Jays offense, Jack Morris would be proud. Given Toronto's wealth of options for starting pitching (Janssen should be in the rotation in 2009 too), I would probably encourage him to opt out of his contract. Maybe J.P. will make a comment about his mother or something to piss him off. Does anyone know if Toronto would get the two picks if he left?
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 19, 2008 at 12:08 PM (#2908127)
You think they'd offer him arb? I don't.
   4. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM (#2908130)
Well, to answer the question, yes, Toronto would get two picks if Burnett opted out and declined arbitration. I'm not sure why Vlad thinks they wouldn't offer, since I'd be shocked if he didn't get a contract offer or three that exceed his worth. He's got fifteen wins, baby!

FWIW, he's averaged 6.1 IP with an ERA of 3.24 in those 15 wins. He's really gotten torched in his losses and no-decisions. That inconsistency probably makes him more valuable than a consistently mediocre starter would be. OTOH, his last three starts have been six inning, four run wins, which isn't all that impressive by any measure except being the winning pitcher.
   5. FrankM Posted: August 19, 2008 at 12:50 PM (#2908142)
The Blue Jays have talked about offering Burnett more money for the next two years of his deal to get him to stay. So yes, they would certainly offer him arbitration.
   6. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 19, 2008 at 01:22 PM (#2908165)
"I'm not sure why Vlad thinks they wouldn't offer"

If you operate under the premise that they would prefer to have him leave, they'd rather not get stuck paying him a huge-ass arb award. And there was almost no interest in him as a deadline acquisition, supposedly because teams didn't want to have to count on him for more than one season.

Under those circumstances, I could see him pulling a Maddux and trying to shoot the moon on a one-year arb deal, re-entering the market next season. Which is something that JP would want to avoid (if JP really wants to get rid of him).
   7. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 19, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#2908198)

FWIW, he's averaged 6.1 IP with an ERA of 3.24 in those 15 wins.


That doesn't seem all that special, though. MLB ERA based on game outcome for pitchers is 2.13 in a win, 8.23 for a loss, 3.95 for a no-decision. BR doesn't have a break down for starters and relievers. However, looking at starters with 10 wins and an ERA+ below 100 (winERA/lossERA):

Pettitte: 1.42/8.23
Hernandez: 2.84/11.09
Perkins: 2.97/7.31
Garland: 3.33/7.89
Weaver: 2.77/7.25
Padilla: 2.79/11.39
Kendrick: 3.09/9.10
Oswalt: 2.62/6.42
Arroyo: 2.66/11.19

It actually turns out that Burnett is actually a good deal more consistent!
   8. Paul D(uda) Posted: August 19, 2008 at 01:57 PM (#2908217)
If you operate under the premise that they would prefer to have him leave,

Why would you operate under that premise?
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:05 PM (#2908229)
"Why would you operate under that premise?"

For the last several months, it seems like JP has been doing the media groundwork necessary to run him out of town, just like he did with Glaus and Thomas and such. From what I can tell, JP tends to fall out of love with anyone he signs to a long-term deal well before the contract's over.

He may very well want to keep Burnett, but when he criticizes him in the press and then shops him aggressively at the deadline, he's acting like a guy who's looking for an out.
   10. The District Attorney Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2908234)
Maybe J.P. will make a comment about his mother or something to piss him off.
tug at his nipple rings
   11. Paul D(uda) Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2908241)
I haven't heard many comments from JP trying to run AJ out of town. If anything, it seems like he's being nicer this year than last year.
   12. Conor Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:20 PM (#2908247)
Pettitte: 1.42/8.23
Hernandez: 2.84/11.09
Perkins: 2.97/7.31
Garland: 3.33/7.89
Weaver: 2.77/7.25
Padilla: 2.79/11.39
Kendrick: 3.09/9.10
Oswalt: 2.62/6.42
Arroyo: 2.66/11.19

It actually turns out that Burnett is actually a good deal more consistent!


Here is my favorite.

Johan Santana: 2.50 ERA in wins, 3.35 in losses.

Well, maybe my favorite was Pedro from 2000, who had a .85 ERA in wins, and 2.44 in losses.
   13. It's just Steve Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:27 PM (#2908258)
So what's the over/under on Burnett's contract, and where does he land?

I'm guessing 4/$60 and he lands in Detroit.
   14. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:49 PM (#2908285)
No!
   15. Boileryard Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:54 PM (#2908291)
Given Toronto's wealth of options for starting pitching (Janssen should be in the rotation in 2009 too), I would probably encourage him to opt out of his contract.

The team's depth in starting pitching isn't quite what it used to be. Janssen is recovering from surgery to repair a torn labrum and is no guarantee to be back at full strength next year. McGowan's long-term prognosis also unclear due to his rotator cuff issues. If Burnett leaves, it wouldn't surprise me if the Blue Jays tried to acquire another starting pitcher.
   16. jmurph Posted: August 19, 2008 at 02:55 PM (#2908295)
I'm guessing 4/$60 and he lands in Detroit.


Not to rain on your parade, but it's tough to predict where he'll end up because something like, what, 29 other teams would be interested in him, depending on the money. Not that he's a top 10 pitcher, or anything, but he's better than most team's #2 or #3. I could see all of the 10 or 15 biggest markets at least kicking the tires on him.
   17. It's just Steve Posted: August 19, 2008 at 03:02 PM (#2908301)
Not to rain on your parade, but it's tough to predict where he'll end up

Exactly... that's what makes it fun/pointless.
   18. jmurph Posted: August 19, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2908313)
Exactly... that's what makes it fun/pointless.


Fair enough. How about Texas, then? They're supposedly ready to spend money on pitching, and I'm assuming CC won't sign there. So Burnett will probably be Plan C for a handful of teams.
   19. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: August 19, 2008 at 03:54 PM (#2908377)
Exactly... that's what makes it fun/pointless.


5/$72m with the fith year being a $16m mutual option $3m buyout.
   20. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 19, 2008 at 09:43 PM (#2908802)
For the last several months, it seems like JP has been doing the media groundwork necessary to run him out of town, just like he did with Glaus...

Wait, what? The story I heard was that Troy quietly asked JP to trade him, and JP obliged. I certainly don't remember any anti-Glaus stories in Toronto, although I don't read Rich Griffin so I might've missed it.
   21. Steibferno Posted: August 19, 2008 at 09:54 PM (#2908818)
For the last several months, it seems like JP has been doing the media groundwork necessary to run him out of town, just like he did with Glaus...

Wait, what? The story I heard was that Troy quietly asked JP to trade him, and JP obliged. I certainly don't remember any anti-Glaus stories in Toronto, although I don't read Rich Griffin so I might've missed it.


Exactly. J.P. has a history of bashing players he has no intention of moving (i.e. Burnett last year)...but he generally doesn't go after guys right before or after moving them. In fact, J.P. has been praising Burnett all year (no doubt to be in a better position come the trade deadline).

From what I can tell, JP tends to fall out of love with anyone he signs to a long-term deal well before the contract's over.


In J.P.'s defence, his long-term deals tend to be terrible. Who can blame him for cursing Wells, Rios, Thomas, Burnett, Hinske or Koskie? I know the Toronto fans sure hate these deals.

That said, he really is a terrible GM.
   22. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 12:08 AM (#2909078)
In J.P.'s defence, his long-term deals tend to be terrible. Who can blame him for cursing Wells, Rios, Thomas, Burnett, Hinske or Koskie? I know the Toronto fans sure hate these deals.


The Rios deal isn't a mistake(though it a couple years it may be), and the only mistake with Thomas was releasing him. Burnett is a mediocre deal. Hinske and Koskie flamed out spectacularly. And remember kids, only 6 more years of Vernon Wells.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Martin Hemner
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogHP: Baseball is leaving the human factor behind
(57 - 3:16am, May 26)
Last: bjhanke

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread, May 2012
(1834 - 3:06am, May 26)
Last: Spivey

NewsblogHimrich’s Top Ten Target Field Foods
(8 - 2:43am, May 26)
Last: Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott)

NewsblogBoston.com: Curt Schilling’s 38 Studios lays off all staff
(119 - 1:28am, May 26)
Last: Swedish Chef

NewsblogT.R. Sullivan: Of Frank Robinson, Milt Pappas and Jim Palmer
(8 - 12:40am, May 26)
Last: The Gurus DO NOT BourbonSamurai

NewsblogWilmoth: Nate McLouth Designated For Assignment
(12 - 12:25am, May 26)
Last: Tripon

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player: 1973 Discussion
(15 - 12:13am, May 26)
Last: DanG

NewsblogBud Selig -- No need for more MLB replay for now - ESPN
(86 - 11:59pm, May 25)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogThe Hall of Very Good: Former Cards Slugger Critical of "LaRussa's Regime"
(4 - 11:26pm, May 25)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogCSN to host ‘Phillies at the Beach’ on Memorial Day
(18 - 11:25pm, May 25)
Last: Fielder's the first baseman, Felder is the fielder

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player: 1972 Ballot
(28 - 11:25pm, May 25)
Last: lieiam

Sox TherapyA Winning Ballclub?
(20 - 11:24pm, May 25)
Last: Dan

NewsblogMatschulat: Did I Miss The "Paul Konerko Is So Overrated OMG" Bandwagon?
(27 - 11:16pm, May 25)
Last: baudib

NewsblogTBO: Nerdy Rays head north
(17 - 10:07pm, May 25)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogDodgers want to host NHL's Winter Classic
(22 - 9:38pm, May 25)
Last: Cris E

Buy MLB playoff tickets, plus 2011 World Series, 2011 ALCS tickets and NLCS game tickets. We also have Texas Rangers playoff schedule, tickets to Red Sox games and Yankees game tickets. Plus, buy Phillies baseball tickets, Tigers playoff tickets and the biggies like ALDS baseball tickets and 2011 NLDS tickets.

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

AllianceTickets.com has cheap MLB Tickets. Get all your Colorado Rockies Tickets, Seattle Mariners Tickets, San Francisco Giants Tickets and all your favorite baseball tickets here. We also carry cheap Denver Broncos Tickets, Seattle Seahawks Tickets and Denver Nuggets Tickets.

Page rendered in 0.2054 seconds
56 querie(s) executed