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Lourdes Gurriel, Yulieski Gurriel defect Cuba | MLB.com

This is going to get expensive.

Two top players from the most famous baseball family in Cuba are not expected to return to the island.

Brothers Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 22, and Yulieski Gurriel, 31, are believed to have defected from Cuba’s Ciego de Avila team following the Caribbean Series that concluded Sunday in order to seek contracts with Major League teams, according to sources. Lourdes is considered the top prospect in Cuba while his brother is considered the country’s best player.
Both have repeatedly expressed a desire to leave the island legally and with the permission of the Cuban government.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 08, 2016 at 10:18 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cuban free agents, lourdes gurriel, yulieski gurriel

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   1. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:03 PM (#5151879)
This is big news obviously, but also not unexpected. Clock was ticking on Yulieski and it seemed unlikely that one would go and one would stay.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:08 PM (#5151884)
So, what's with all these "Y" names coming out of Cuba? Yuniesky, Yulieski, Yasiel, Yoenis. Not exactly typical Spanish naems.
   3. JimMusComp misses Jerry Dipoto... Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:12 PM (#5151888)
Snapper - it's the communist/former Soviet influence on the culture, I think. At least that explains for the Yuniesky's and Yulieski's....Vladimir's too.....

   4. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:15 PM (#5151889)
So, what's with all these "Y" names coming out of Cuba? Yuniesky, Yulieski, Yasiel, Yoenis. Not exactly typical Spanish naems.

I believe the answer is imitation of Soviet names at the time:
Garcia is part of Cuba’s so-called Generation Y, the thousands upon thousands of islanders born during the Cold War whose parents turned tradition on its ear by giving them invented monikers inspired by Russian names like Yevgeny, Yuri or Yulia. The phenomenon was so prevalent that dissident writer Yoani Sanchez chose “Generation Y” as the title of her well-known blog; her counterpart on the cyber-ideological battlefield is a pro-government blogger and tweeter who uses the handle Yohandry Fontana.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:15 PM (#5151890)
Snapper - it's the communist/former Soviet influence on the culture, I think. At least that explains for the Yuniesky's and Yulieski's....Vladimir's too.....

Huh. But, except for Vladimir, those aren't Russian names either.

I believe the answer is imitation of Soviet names at the time:

It's funny that they didn't choose actual Russian names.
   6. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:18 PM (#5151891)
It's funny that they didn't choose actual Russian names.

From the article I linked above:
Meanwhile, Cold War geopolitics also inspired names such as Katiuska, after the Russian-made Katyusha missile launchers. Other kids were called Che, Stalina or Hanoi.

Maybe they did! :p
   7. crict Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:34 PM (#5151907)
I saw Yulieski play at the 2002 WJC, he was great. He played in Japan in 2014, might give us a better idea of his value.

Stats: Cuba and Japan.

Just learned that there's also another baseball-playing brother, Yunieski, to not confuse with Yulieski...
   8. esseff Posted: February 08, 2016 at 12:48 PM (#5151922)
"Defect" ain't transitive.
   9. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 01:00 PM (#5151936)

Just learned that there's also another baseball-playing brother, Yunieski, to not confuse with Yulieski...


And the third is named Augustieski.
   10. Khrushin it bro Posted: February 08, 2016 at 01:41 PM (#5151981)
Yulieski has some brutal error counts at 3B.
   11. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 02:09 PM (#5152011)
Katyusha is a diminutive of the Russian version of Catharine, so it's almost literally the translation of Kate or Katie. So Katiuska actually is using Russian name even if they mean to refer to a rocket.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: February 08, 2016 at 02:28 PM (#5152029)
Is it really "defection" at this point? The final bits of the restoration of Cuba-US ties are ongoing and nobody else in the world places restrictions on Cubs to my knowledge. They've overstayed their visa to pursue better economic opportunities, just like millions of other people in the world have done.
   13. Rancischley Leweschquens (Tim Wallach was my Hero) Posted: February 08, 2016 at 02:36 PM (#5152040)
I was at the game in Sancti Spiritus, Cuba, the day their dad, Lourdes Gourriel, had his retirement party. So although I never saw him play, I saw him wave at the crowd. It's the only game I ever say in Cuba. (oh, and Omar Linares hit a homerun during that dame too! He was playing for Pinar Del Rio, which had Jose Contreras and Danys Baez)
   14. KJOK Posted: February 08, 2016 at 03:25 PM (#5152081)
Is it really "defection" at this point? The final bits of the restoration of Cuba-US ties are ongoing and nobody else in the world places restrictions on Cubs to my knowledge. They've overstayed their visa to pursue better economic opportunities, just like millions of other people in the world have done.

I think it is still defection. Instead of waiting for the Cuban government to allow them to come to the U.S. under who knows what pay arrangements, they are defying the government to become free agents and make millions of dollars.


   15. Styles P. Deadball Posted: February 09, 2016 at 09:12 AM (#5152430)
I think it is still defection. Instead of waiting for the Cuban government to allow them to come to the U.S. under who knows what pay arrangements, they are defying the government to become free agents and make millions of dollars.


Going back 25 years, when the Soviets were starting to come over to the NHL, Sergei Fedorov made a point of saying that he wasn't defecting. He was applying for a work visa and hoped to return to the USSR freely in the future. The government didn't really see it that way, but were pretty impotent on that score in the summer of 1991. Of course, none of that mattered a few months later, but Fedorov's case was considered different than that of Alexander Mogilny, who truly "defected", asked for political asylum, eventually became a US citizen, etc.
   16. Cargo Cultist Posted: February 10, 2016 at 04:45 AM (#5153531)
Baseball desperately needs a single draft, a single global point of entry for the major leagues. International signings have always complicated this. I am hoping that this dual defection results in enough trouble and enough money being thrown around that it furthers the creation of a single MLB point of entry in a single global draft.
   17. bookbook Posted: February 10, 2016 at 06:13 AM (#5153532)
Why does Baseball need a single draft? Just so owners can pay less salary? Does that make fans better off in any way?
   18. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 10, 2016 at 06:55 AM (#5153535)
Why does Baseball need a single draft? Just so owners can pay less salary?


Of course. There is an enormous amount of contempt for the freedom and autonomy of baseball players on this site. Let those dumb smelly jocks prove themselves before they get to access a free market, but until then, dance monkey dance!
   19. ReggieThomasLives Posted: February 10, 2016 at 10:40 AM (#5153668)
Baseball desperately needs unfettered free agency, a single right of entry for the major leagues.


FYP
   20. dr. scott Posted: February 10, 2016 at 01:50 PM (#5153850)
Of course. There is an enormous amount of contempt for the freedom and autonomy of baseball players on this site. Let those dumb smelly jocks prove themselves before they get to access a free market, but until then, dance monkey dance!


Dont know about contempt, but in general the interests of the owners align with the interest of the local fans more than the interests of the players do. The fact that Baseball fandom is very local and regional exacerbates this even more. And people tend to root for their own interests. As fair as unfettered free agency for all would be, it may change the game so that it would be even rarer for a team to hold on to the same players year after year. I'm also not sure the players would like this, as it would depress the maximum salary, as if everyone is making what they "deserve" with the same pool of money, fewer players may get the massive contracts they are getting. It would certainly be interesting though.
   21. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 10, 2016 at 08:48 PM (#5154235)
nobody else in the world places restrictions on Cubs to my knowledge.


Well I hope they do because we've seen too damn many of these effing Cubs articles this year already!


Snark aside, Walt's made a good point here. The rest of the world just looks on with bemusement as the U.S. continues with whatever restrictions they still have in place; and vice versa. Just kind of shame the 31 year old brother couldn't have come over sooner in pursuit of his millions.
   22. JJ1986 Posted: February 10, 2016 at 09:01 PM (#5154241)
Baseball desperately needs a single draft, a single global point of entry for the major leagues. International signings have always complicated this. I am hoping that this dual defection results in enough trouble and enough money being thrown around that it furthers the creation of a single MLB point of entry in a single global draft.

A guy who has been a professional baseball player for 15 years should not be subject to a draft.
   23. Ron J Posted: February 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM (#5154438)
#15 Mogilny actually faced a desertion charge (since he played for the Soviet Red Army team and was a second lieutenant. It was considered active service). A story at the time said that the Soviet Union would demand his extradition if convicted (he was tried in absentia) and that he faced a maximum sentence of seven years at hard labor.

"There is no doubt that Mogilny was motivated by base mercantile considerations when he defected from the Soviet team. He was in no way compelled into disgracing the honor and dignity of an officer and he must be made to answer to that." -- statement by the military prosecutor.
   24. Cabbage Posted: February 11, 2016 at 12:57 PM (#5154581)
Going back 25 years, when the Soviets were starting to come over to the NHL, Sergei Fedorov made a point of saying that he wasn't defecting. He was applying for a work visa and hoped to return to the USSR freely in the future. The government didn't really see it that way, but were pretty impotent on that score in the summer of 1991. Of course, none of that mattered a few months later, but Fedorov's case was considered different than that of Alexander Mogilny, who truly "defected", asked for political asylum, eventually became a US citizen, etc.


My family was at our Russian Orthodox parish (in the US) one Sunday morning back in '89 or '90 when a bunch of Soviet cyclists showed up. Apparently they snuck out of their hotel and were trying to defect.

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