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Friday, February 21, 2014

Lucchino exchanges barbs with Yankee president Levine

Lucchino’s Luck: Cold war effort.

The rivarly between the players on the field—save for an occasional Ryan Dempster target practice at A-Rod—has cooled. But as long as Larry Lucchino and Randy Levine are around, the Red Sox and Yankees will always be the Hatfields and the McCoys.

In his annual spring-training meeting with the media on Friday, Lucchino seemed to take more than a little satisfaction in watching the Yankees spend more than a half-billion
dollars this winter on free agents Brian McCann, Jacoby Ellsbury, Carlos Beltran and Masahiro Tanaka, trying to play catch-up to the world champion Red Sox.

“We’re very different animals,’’ the Red Sox CEO said of the Sox and Yanks. “I’m proud of that difference. I always cringe when people lump us together.”

...The Yankees, said Lucchino, “are still, this year at least, relying heavily on their inimitable old-fashioned Yankees style of high-priced, long-term free agents. And I can’t say that I wish them well, but I think that we’ve taken a different approach.”

Well, you knew Levine—the Yankees’ president and CEO, who has tangled with Lucchino in the past—wouldn’t take that lying down.

“I feel bad for Larry; he constantly sees ghosts and is spooked by the Yankees,” Levine said. “But I can understand why, because under his and Bobby Valentine’s plan two years ago, the Red Sox were in last place.”

Repoz Posted: February 21, 2014 at 07:51 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TerpNats Posted: February 21, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4660592)
Lerners to Lucchino, Levine: You're both full of it.
   2. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 21, 2014 at 09:31 PM (#4660593)
I haven't read it but I believe Sophie's Choice is between Lucchino and Levine.
   3. The District Attorney Posted: February 21, 2014 at 09:33 PM (#4660594)
Sadly, the headline is not literal. And says "barbs", rather than "bombs."
   4. Publius Publicola Posted: February 21, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4660595)
I love how Levine is forced to dredge up ancient history for his comeback.
   5. ptodd Posted: February 21, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4660602)
4. Publius Publicola Posted: February 21, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4660595)
I love how Levine is forced to dredge up ancient history for his comeback.


2012 is ancient history? Then I guess Larrys spending 420 million on 4 players between 2010-2011 was ancient history too. Huge gift with the Dodgers taking 3 injured players who were still owed over 250 million dollars, although I am not sure they disclosed Becketts and Agons physical issues.
   6. Rough Carrigan Posted: February 21, 2014 at 10:13 PM (#4660604)
Where's mutual assured destruction when you really need it?
   7. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 21, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4660611)
Oh Larry, do shut up.
   8. zonk Posted: February 21, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4660613)
As an outsider, I have to say that this kind of delicious fun... It gets old quick, of course, but for the moment it's like being on the playground chanting "fight! Fight! Fight!" While two kids you don't really like shove each other.
   9. weiss-man Posted: February 21, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4660622)
Nothing like a sore winner. Stay classy, Larry.
   10. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 21, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4660623)
Obviously I'm biased as a Red Sox fan, but...

“But I can understand why, because under his and Bobby Valentine’s plan two years ago, the Red Sox were in last place.”

This is pretty much the weakest retort ever when the plan ONE year ago led to a World Series victory.
   11. pkb33 Posted: February 22, 2014 at 12:00 AM (#4660639)
Lucchino is an ass, and he's also exceptionally good at his job. Levine is also an ass, and it's unclear whether he's any good at his job or not.

These things being so certainly don't make either of them pleasant to listen to, though.
   12. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 22, 2014 at 12:14 AM (#4660641)
Obviously I'm biased as a Red Sox fan, but...

“But I can understand why, because under his and Bobby Valentine’s plan two years ago, the Red Sox were in last place.”


This is pretty much the weakest retort ever when the plan ONE year ago led to a World Series victory.

I don't think you have to be a Red Sox fan to agree with that, unless Levine has secret information that Lucchino's about to rehire The Mustachioed Man of Flushing and bring back Manny Ramirez to play left field.
   13. esseff Posted: February 22, 2014 at 01:31 AM (#4660653)
Yankees get Barbara Bush. Red Sox get Barbara Walters.
   14. bfan Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4660672)
Yankees get Barbara Bush. Red Sox get Barbara Walters.


One gets a kind older lady, the other gets a reporter who screws her sources?
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 22, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4660695)
Well, you could say that Barbara Bush screwed her way to being First Lady.
   16. villageidiom Posted: February 22, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4660704)
This is pretty much the weakest retort ever when the plan ONE year ago led to a World Series victory.
The conventional wisdom (at the time of the signing) was that the hiring of Bobby Valentine was a Lucchino decision, and that after that disaster he stopped interfering with Cherington. So, if the last on-field move Lucchino made was the hiring of Valentine, it's a pretty good retort toward Lucchino. If it was a retort toward the Red Sox, yes, epic fail. But I think he was trying to tweak Lucchino specifically.

More power to him.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 22, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4660723)
This is pretty much the weakest retort ever when the plan ONE year ago led to a World Series victory.

Cherington and Lucchino should be forced to forward their World Series rings to LA.
   18. Publius Publicola Posted: February 22, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4660726)
That was kind of the Dodgers to unburden Boston like that. And DeLaRosa and Webster might make that deal even more interesting.
   19. McCoy Posted: February 22, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4660731)
One gets a kind older lady, the other gets a reporter who screws her sources?

Initially I read that as "screwed her horses" and wondered when did I miss that one.
   20. pkb33 Posted: February 22, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4660740)
The conventional wisdom (at the time of the signing) was that the hiring of Bobby Valentine was a Lucchino decision, and that after that disaster he stopped interfering with Cherington. So, if the last on-field move Lucchino made was the hiring of Valentine, it's a pretty good retort toward Lucchino.

It's funny, the narratives that "Theo/Cherington good, Lucchino bad" and "Cashman good/Levine-Steinbrenner bad" have survived all factual evidence that suggests it is not true, and people keep repeating them anyway.

There's reason to say that Lucchino drove the Valentine decision. But there is no reason to say that he didn't equally drive hiring Theo, promoting Cherington, and all of the other key things that drove three titles. Just because he's an ass (and EVERYTHING suggests that he is) doesn't mean he's not good at his job.
   21. Captain Supporter Posted: February 22, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4660760)
They both have no class, but Luccino seems to always be the one who starts this kind of nonsense.

Fact: The Red Sox were last in 2012 and won it all in 2013 Fact: Larry Luccino is a big-time embarrassment to the organization/
   22. DKDC Posted: February 22, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4660822)
This is pretty much the weakest retort ever when the plan ONE year ago led to a World Series victory.


Well, he can't exactly criticize them for their plan ONE year ago, which was pretty much right out of the Yankees playbook by being one of the biggest spenders in free agency.

Although given that Lucchino's sorest point is to be (deservedly) lumped together with the Yankees, maybe he should have.
   23. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 22, 2014 at 07:32 PM (#4660845)
There's reason to say that Lucchino drove the Valentine decision. But there is no reason to say that he didn't equally drive hiring Theo, promoting Cherington, and all of the other key things that drove three titles. Just because he's an ass (and EVERYTHING suggests that he is) doesn't mean he's not good at his job.


This. Lucchino has more than a little George Steinbrenner in him but the Sox have enjoyed their best period of success in a century with him in the org. At worst he's not screwing it up.

More generally I think companies need a Lucchino/Levine type to be successful. Sadly there is a benefit to having a complete jackass somewhere in the organization that scares the #### out of everyone and I think it is useful when that person is NOT the top dog but a rung or two below (as Lucchino/Levine are). That allows the guy at the top to be liked and keep the rank and file happy but they still know that showing up on time, getting the job done has to happen.

I don't know if Lucchino is obsessed with the Yankees as much as the Boston media is. He's dumb/arrogant enough to rise to the bait when the press asks him about the Yankees but more often than not the trigger is someone asking him a question about the Bombers.
   24. villageidiom Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4660873)
It's funny, the narratives that "Theo/Cherington good, Lucchino bad" and "Cashman good/Levine-Steinbrenner bad" have survived all factual evidence that suggests it is not true, and people keep repeating them anyway.
What I am saying is that Levine is tweaking Lucchino based on the narrative. Levine, you, and I agree the narrative exists. Whether the narrative is true, we will never know.

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