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Sunday, May 06, 2012

Lupica: Andy Pettitte can’t have it both ways when it comes to the truth in Roger Clemens trial

Nick L, points out this Loopy take on the “Changin’ Cajun”.

We get that Andy Pettitte is a God-fearing man, and originally that’s why he said he had to tell the truth about his dear friend Roger Clemens and the same performance-enhancing drugs that Pettitte says he used twice and only twice in his own career, because doing it more than that, like the rest of the dirty cheaters, would have been wrong, wrong, wrong.

Pettitte can’t have it both ways. Can’t have it both ways even as a beloved Yankee who won all those games for them, even as much as he wants people to like him. Again: He was either telling the truth four years ago in a deposition for Congress, or he was telling the truth the other day in Washington when his lawyer, Jay Reisinger, nearly walked him all the way to the witness chair like a parent walking a child to his first day of school.

It was a nuanced performance, you bet. Pettitte put himself in no legal peril, because this is the end of it for the government and steroids. After Bonds and Clemens, the government will close the books on ballplayers using steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs once and for all. And if you are one who never thought the government should have been involved in the first place, you will cheer like you do at the ballpark when somebody on your team has a big home run, or get the kind of big outs Clemens and Pettitte always got for the Yankees.

But if you give Pettitte every possible benefit of the doubt, he comes up looking like a huge phony here.

Repoz Posted: May 06, 2012 at 08:32 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: steroids, yankees

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   1. marko Posted: May 06, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4124562)
This article is going to piss off Ray and David big time.
   2. salajander Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4124567)
This #### bores me to tears.
   3. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4124591)
Pettitte can’t have it both ways.


But Lupica can.
   4. gehrig97 Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4124607)
But Lupica can.


Excellent.
   5. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4124614)
But Lupica can.


Brilliant.
   6. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship Posted: May 06, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4124622)
But Lupica can

You might note that the current asking price for that book in both hardback and paperback is one whole penny.
   7. dlf Posted: May 06, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4124639)
"When legend becomes fact, print the legend."
   8. Bob Tufts Posted: May 06, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4124642)
You might note that the current asking price for that book in both hardback and paperback is one whole penny.


Another reason to keep the penny - otherwise someone may have to buy five copies of Lupica's work.
   9. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 06, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4124688)
"When legend becomes fact, print the legend."


I love that film.

...unfortunately, I couldn't think of making any of the characters of the Clemens affair match The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
   10. BurlyBuehrle Posted: May 06, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4124708)
The knee-jerk reaction to anything steroids-related on BBTF has become almost comical in its own right. Lupica's point is that Petitte was either lying then or he's lying now. He either recalls Clemens admitting to HGH use, and understood it clearly...or he didn't. And Lupica is right in that assertion. Pretty simple, no?
   11. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: May 06, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4124709)
Considering Pettitte said exactly the same thing both times, no.
   12. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 06, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4124727)
Lupica's point is that Petitte was either lying then or he's lying now.


And he's wrong. Pettitte's trial testimony was identical to his deposition testimony. Just as Ray accurately predicted it would be in an earlier thread.

EDIT: Eh, maybe I should have read #11 first.
   13. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 06, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4124732)
You sycophantic apologists make me sick. The important point is that Lupica recalls Pettitte recalling it. And while we can bicker about the details of Andy Pettitte's "he said/then he said again" perjury, the fact remains that Mike Lupica's personal perception has never been seriously challenged.
   14. Bob Tufts Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4124760)
"When rumors are more marketable than the facts, print the rumors."

The motto of the NYDN I-team



   15. Darren Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4124774)
Leave it to Lupica to miss the obvious way to rip Pettitte.
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4124783)

haven't kept up - what's the main BBTF vibe on Pettitte re HGH?

good guy? bad guy?

   17. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4124801)
Not much to say. On this issue, Lupica is a closed-minded fool. And close-minded fools often behave predictably.
   18. tshipman Posted: May 06, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4125013)
haven't kept up - what's the main BBTF vibe on Pettitte re HGH?


This is just me:

The same as everyone else, but somehow the BBWA decided he was completely not to blame, which annoys me. I blame him for that annoyance. Also, he's a big liar.
   19. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 06, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4125019)
I wonder if the Yanks are committed to keeping Hughes out there when Pettitte comes up or if Phelps has a shot to stick. I would imagine they don't want to quit on Hughes yet, especially with his recent velocity bump and 1st quality start of the season. They can always stash Phelps in the pen and start him if Hughes continues to flop. Based on Pettitte getting rocked by Pawtucket today, I would guess they have at least another turn in the rotation before the make the decision.
   20. Darren Posted: May 06, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4125027)
The same as everyone else, but somehow the BBWA decided he was completely not to blame, which annoys me. I blame him for that annoyance. Also, he's a big liar.


It didn't help that he was eager embrace that special treatment.
   21. Hack Wilson Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:38 AM (#4125183)
...unfortunately, I couldn't think of making any of the characters of the Clemens affair match The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.


I don't know, Andy Devine did a great Bud Selig.
   22. sunnyday2 Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4125289)
The eye of the needle: Any argument in favor of Pettitte for the Hall of Fame from people who won't vote for Clemens or Bonds.
   23. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 07, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4125450)
I don't know, Andy Devine did a great Bud Selig.


HA! Far better the best I could muster (I stopped trying after my initial Pompey/McNamee broke down quickly. Very quickly.)


The eye of the needle: Any argument in favor of Pettitte for the Hall of Fame from people who won't vote for Clemens or Bonds.


At least until this latest round of testimony, it seemed to be:
a) Pettitte made a mistake. It's like he smoked pot once or twice. Would you really hold that against him? (They bought his story, basically.)
b) Count da ringzzz (Bonds + Clemens' postseason achievements occurred while juiced.)
c) Clutch playoff work + Counting Pettitte's postseason stats on top of his regular season.
d) Most wins in a decade. (Beat that Rocket!)
   24. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 07, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4125479)
At least until this latest round of testimony,


It's just hilarious. Pettitte's undoing was not (a) using HGH, was not (b) lying about it over and over again. It was... (c) finally telling a consistent story.

Of course, his new critics are so obtuse that they don't realize his "new" story is exactly the same as his previous one... and so his battleship gets sunk.

This is the nonsensical logic being applied by the torch bearers of the newfound Character Clause. Though it's hardly surprising; excusing amps users while excoriating steroids users was always bizarrely irrational at best, dishonest at worst.

EDIT: cross posted.

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