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Madden:Captain Catch-22: Offenses suffer with Derek Jeter, David Wright in prime batting order spots

Carleton Carpenter, Debbie Reynolds and Aba Daba Honeymoon incredibly still live on from ‘51…so should grace saving Batting Averages!

On the other hand, Jeter’s decline, in which, since late June, he’s had more parting gifts from opposing teams than extra base hits, has been both sad to watch and a real dilemma for Yankee manager Joe Girardi. While it would be tough to finger Jeter as the primary culprit for the Yankees’ offensive struggles this season — there are plenty of other more worthy candidates for that in the middle of the order — his inability to get around on almost any hard-throwing righties, his seven extra base hits since June 24, and the 12-point drop in his batting average since Aug. 1 cries out for moving him out of the No. 2 hole to the bottom of the lineup. But even though Girardi so famously stated he wasn’t hired to manage a farewell tour, he’s forced to do just that because moving Jeter would create a whole new media controversy that this delicate Yankee season doesn’t need.

At the same time, suggestions that Girardi should start giving more and more at-bats at shortstop to defensively superior Brendan Ryan or Stephen Drew are absurd, if only because neither of them is going to provide any added juice to the lineup, or is being groomed to succeed Jeter next year. Rather, for all of us who have admired Jeter’s sustained excellence and nobility these past 19 seasons, the hope is he just finishes the season respectably and not in the throes of a prolonged slump that drops his batting average — his one saving grace right now — to under .250 or worse. Remember, Joe DiMaggio hit .263 his final season, at only 36. So much has been said about the Yankees needing to get Jeter to just one more October. But considering the way Jeter is struggling down the stretch, maybe, for his sake, it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if the finish line came sooner.

Repoz Posted: August 31, 2014 at 06:24 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TJ Posted: August 31, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4782700)
Welcome to the party, Madden! Better late than never...

And if Jeter is this great captain and leader of the team, why wouldn't he go to Girardi and say, "I know I can't do what I used to do, so put me anywhere in the lineup you think I can best help the team" and then publicly back his manager's decision?
   2. bobm Posted: August 31, 2014 at 09:25 AM (#4782702)
For single seasons, Playing for the NYY, From 1901 to 2014, During last season , (requiring Qualified for league batting title), sorted by greatest Adjusted OPS+

                                                                                
Player             OPS+ Year Age   G  PA 2B 3B HR RBI   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS    Pos
Mickey Mantle       143 1968  36 144 547 14  1 18  54 .237 .385 .398 .782    *3H
Hersh Martin        117 1945  35 117 479 18  6  7  53 .267 .368 .392 .760 *7H/89
Joe DiMaggio        116 1951  36 116 482 22  4 12  71 .263 .365 .422 .787   *8/H
Chili Davis         108 1999  39 146 554 25  1 19  78 .269 .366 .445 .812    *DH
Herm McFarland      108 1903  33 103 423 16  9  5  45 .243 .333 .378 .712  *87/9
Paul ONeill         105 2001  38 137 563 33  1 21  70 .267 .330 .459 .789  *9/DH
Don Mattingly        97 1995  34 128 507 32  2  7  49 .288 .341 .413 .754  *3/HD
Buddy Hassett        95 1942  30 132 581 16  6  5  48 .284 .325 .364 .689     *3
Joe Sewell           87 1933  34 135 606 18  1  2  54 .273 .361 .323 .683   *5/H
Bobby Richardson     79 1966  30 149 648 21  3  7  42 .251 .280 .330 .610  *4/H5
Derek Jeter          78 2014  40 120 534 14  1  3  36 .262 .309 .313 .622  *6/DH
Dave Fultz           78 1905  30 129 482 13  3  0  42 .232 .308 .277 .585   *8/9
Johnny Sturm         58 1941  25 124 568 17  3  3  36 .239 .293 .300 .592     *3


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/31/2014.
   3. bobm Posted: August 31, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4782709)
For single seasons, From 1914 to 2014, Age 31, Batting 3rd, (requiring PA?400), sorted by greatest sOPS+ for this split

                                                                     
Rk   I           Player Year   G  PA   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS BAbip sOPS+
1           Jimmie Foxx 1939  93 427 .370 .476 .729 1.206  .379   191
2            Joe Morgan 1975 119 535 .324 .467 .528  .995  .324   162
3          Ted Williams 1950  86 413 .315 .448 .643 1.091  .270   161
4        Pedro Guerrero 1987  99 428 .381 .463 .578 1.041  .396   157
5             Rod Carew 1977  98 455 .394 .460 .588 1.048  .412   156
6           Stan Musial 1952 128 571 .326 .426 .534  .959  .313   153
7           David Ortiz 2007 147 665 .333 .447 .623 1.070  .357   152
8               Ty Cobb 1918  95 421 .386 .439 .500  .939  .401   149
9        Gary Sheffield 2000 106 461 .341 .440 .698 1.138  .308   148
10          Brian Giles 2002 113 473 .290 .429 .627 1.057  .269   142
11          Todd Helton 2005 141 619 .322 .447 .537  .983  .349   137
12           Buddy Myer 1935 114 548 .365 .452 .482  .934  .380   135
13         Jeff Bagwell 1999 160 726 .303 .452 .590 1.042  .321   135
14          Barry Bonds 1996  98 435 .298 .432 .595 1.028  .271   133
15         Jason Giambi 2002  92 411 .296 .438 .568 1.006  .307   132
16           Hank Aaron 1965 145 625 .318 .381 .561  .942  .322   131
17         George Scott 1975 117 506 .292 .343 .545  .888  .287   130
18         Tris Speaker 1919 127 563 .297 .396 .431  .827  .303   128
19       Andy Van Slyke 1992 153 685 .324 .380 .505  .885  .363   127
20     Roberto Clemente 1966 139 626 .313 .357 .533  .890  .337   126
21          Willie Mays 1962 117 522 .284 .358 .570  .928  .267   125
22         Cecil Cooper 1981 102 439 .322 .363 .502  .865  .322   125
23        Josh Hamilton 2012 143 622 .284 .352 .575  .927  .321   125
24        Albert Pujols 2011 145 648 .300 .366 .542  .908  .278   123
25         Bill Madlock 1982 119 511 .317 .367 .501  .868  .305   121
Rk   I           Player Year   G  PA   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS BAbip sOPS+
26         Bill Buckner 1981 103 443 .316 .354 .487  .841  .307   119
27       Dante Bichette 1995  98 443 .336 .359 .598  .957  .345   119
28          Kirk Gibson 1988 137 584 .290 .378 .484  .862  .331   118
29           Sammy Sosa 2000 101 458 .310 .389 .607  .996  .354   118
30           Tony Oliva 1970 101 435 .336 .371 .546  .917  .350   116
31        Robinson Cano 2014 129 553 .325 .392 .467  .859  .348   116
32          Bobby Abreu 2005 107 477 .291 .411 .480  .890  .325   115
33       Roberto Alomar 1999 149 661 .319 .419 .526  .945  .341   114
34           Derrek Lee 2007 144 635 .318 .398 .509  .907  .364   114
35            Von Hayes 1990 103 467 .268 .381 .435  .816  .281   113
36        Dave Winfield 1983 143 632 .278 .340 .504  .845  .272   112
37        Miguel Tejada 2005  96 424 .314 .354 .539  .893  .322   112
38        Lance Berkman 2007 148 655 .280 .388 .511  .899  .301   112
39       Miguel Cabrera 2014 126 548 .301 .363 .489  .852  .334   112
40       Roy Cullenbine 1945  93 401 .258 .392 .396  .788  .256   111
41          Roy Sievers 1958 102 438 .299 .363 .537  .900  .282   111
42            Norm Cash 1966 145 634 .276 .349 .476  .825  .280   111
43             Jim Rice 1984 129 582 .294 .338 .499  .838  .308   111
44          Kiki Cuyler 1930 133 640 .354 .428 .535  .963  .373   110
45          Chase Utley 2010 102 458 .282 .395 .462  .857  .290   110
46        Mark Teixeira 2011 129 572 .252 .348 .502  .850  .243   109
47      Keith Hernandez 1985 152 674 .310 .384 .428  .812  .326   108
48        Luis Gonzalez 1999 136 621 .329 .395 .528  .923  .339   108
49          Ryan Klesko 2002 112 485 .287 .384 .519  .904  .303   108
50        Mike Kreevich 1939  95 423 .330 .393 .447  .839  .346   106
Rk   I           Player Year   G  PA   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS BAbip sOPS+
51            Roy White 1975 105 466 .291 .361 .424  .785  .307   106
52         Frank Thomas 1999 128 572 .309 .420 .481  .900  .325   105
53       Ivan Rodriguez 2003 128 530 .313 .384 .497  .881  .353   105
54         Mike Sweeney 2005 122 514 .300 .347 .517  .864  .305   105
55          Leon Wagner 1965 102 441 .282 .356 .468  .824  .272   104
56        Kirby Puckett 1991 150 653 .320 .353 .463  .816  .343   104
57          Chuck Klein 1936 130 584 .300 .348 .506  .854  .303   103
58       Billy Williams 1969 159 704 .294 .354 .475  .829  .303   103
59          Vada Pinson 1970  96 422 .306 .346 .517  .863  .314   103
60        Gary Matthews 1982 120 517 .286 .352 .439  .791  .302   103
61         George Brett 1984 101 419 .283 .344 .460  .804  .280   103
62           Will Clark 1995 123 537 .302 .389 .480  .869  .303   103
63             Sam Rice 1921 112 503 .331 .383 .476  .859  .329   102
64         Bruce Bochte 1982 132 560 .295 .377 .406  .783  .323   102
65        Eddie Collins 1918  94 415 .281 .415 .338  .752  .288   101
66           Joe Carter 1991 120 523 .262 .317 .495  .812  .263   101
67      Terry Pendleton 1992 104 444 .309 .348 .426  .774  .331   100
68           Tony Gwynn 1991 133 564 .318 .356 .434  .791  .321    98
69           Mark Grace 1995 109 484 .312 .373 .476  .848  .321    98
70       Frankie Frisch 1929 123 554 .340 .404 .490  .894  .341    97
71       Tommy Griffith 1921 125 506 .313 .365 .466  .830  .303    96
72            Edd Roush 1924 105 463 .346 .373 .503  .877  .350    96
73        Minnie Minoso 1957  93 414 .303 .380 .442  .822  .315    95
74          Bobby Bonds 1977  92 407 .246 .325 .480  .805  .253    95
75             Jay Bell 1997 108 479 .303 .375 .475  .850  .326    95
Rk   I           Player Year   G  PA   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS BAbip sOPS+
76            Jeff King 1996 132 600 .277 .351 .498  .849  .281    92
77      Johnny Wyrostek 1951 113 485 .312 .371 .387  .758  .353    90
78            Mo Vaughn 1999 115 491 .279 .358 .482  .840  .307    89
79         Willie Davis 1971 140 608 .301 .322 .427  .749  .310    88
80      Jeffrey Leonard 1987 115 485 .285 .313 .459  .772  .302    88
81      Adrian Gonzalez 2013 111 476 .268 .313 .420  .733  .290    83
82           Cal Ripken 1992 131 585 .254 .330 .372  .702  .252    82
83         Ival Goodman 1940 107 485 .254 .333 .393  .726  .262    81
84       Thurman Munson 1978 146 637 .293 .331 .371  .702  .316    81
85         Dave Hollins 1997 104 464 .277 .356 .424  .780  .330    80
86     Delino DeShields 2000 100 441 .293 .365 .442  .808  .319    80
87             Gus Bell 1960 111 482 .277 .314 .413  .727  .275    79
88          Rebel Oakes 1915  95 405 .275 .314 .321  .636  .286    78
89     Jeffrey Hammonds 2002 103 425 .264 .340 .407  .747  .306    74
90      Bobby Higginson 2002 109 462 .282 .343 .405  .748  .293    74
91         David Wright 2014 125 548 .263 .323 .363  .686  .313    73
92        George Sisler 1924 139 628 .303 .338 .423  .761  .307    70
93            Dee Fondy 1956 109 472 .272 .288 .408  .696  .297    63
94             Tom Herr 1987 116 505 .248 .326 .319  .645  .265    62


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/31/2014.
   4. BDC Posted: August 31, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4782718)
One is tempted to say, the season's lost, let the Captain go down while on the quarterdeck in full uniform. But then I think back 31 years to the 1983 Phillies, my favorite team ever. On 31 August they were a couple of games out of a playoff spot, and Pete Rose and Tony Perez had been playing first base for them, and they were old and no longer good. Paul Owens took a journeyman named Len Matuszek and started platooning him at 1B with Rose, giving Matuszek almost every start against RHP down the stretch, which means that Rose mostly sat. Matuszek drove in 16 runs in September and the Phillies went 22-7 and won the pennant.

I can't imagine Rose liked that, but I don't remember him #####ing during that month, and when he played he was his usual Type-A self. And meanwhile Tony Perez didn't play much at all in September, so you had two Hall-of-Fame types on the bench cheering on the guy who could actually contribute at that point.

The Yankees might not have a Len Matuszek in the wings, but wouldn't it be a great story if Jeter took a lesser role and cheered some kid on while they got back in the race …
   5. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 31, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4782727)
That'll happen when the Yankees move from the Stadium to the Corn Palace.
   6. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 31, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4782729)
About #4: I remember that team, as well, but I did not recall the whole Matuszek story. I checked it out on B-R.com, and it is pretty awesome how well he played down the stretch. It was a race with 10 games to go, and he went bananas in the last eight or nine games, OPS of almost 1100, including some big extra-base hits in close games, and the Phils end up winning the division with room to spare at the end.

The problem with Yankees, of course, is that they don't have "the future" in their system (not that Matuszek was really "the future" for the Phillies, either). However, as much as I think Stephen Drew is the poster child for how to not handle free agency and qualifying offers, there is a reasonable chance that if you put Drew at SS for the last month of the season every day, and told him to just play, the results could be pretty good.

The defense would definitely get better, and there is a chance that Drew will get hot for three weeks and win games for NY with his bat. He may also hit .190 for the rest of the year. I would note that Drew was absolutely awful with the bat in Boston last year through the end of July, then hit quite well in August and September, and then was historically bad in the playoffs. (How bad: 6-for-54, with 2 BBs, and 19 Ks!)

Actually, Stephen Drew is probably not going to hit any better than Derek Jeter. Scratch all of this...Joe Girardi is a heck of a manager to keep this team remotely in the hunt...
   7. joeysdadjoe Posted: August 31, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4782817)
4 The way I remember it Matuszek was a rookie or 2nd year player then. A september callup he wasn't eligible for the postseason based on the rules in 83 so Rose/Perez got back on the field. Screw giving up. I say let Derek know whats up and let him handle it how he handles it. Flags fly forever.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4782863)
Jeter ranks 145th out of 152 batting title qualifiers in OPS, and 3rd-worst in AL.

bottom 10 are:
152 Reds SS Cozart .578
151 Brewers SS Segura .594
150 Angels 2B Beckham .599
149 Athletics UT Callaspo .600
148 Braves OF BJ Upton .604
147 Astros 3B Dominguez .606
146 Phillies OF DBrown .614
145 Yankees SS Jeter .622
144 Red Sox SS Bogaerts .622
143 Rays SS Escobar .631
143 Red Sox OF A Craig .631

interesting mix, and of course many were a lot better last year which is why they keep/kept getting chances

of all people, given his track record, you'd think Jeter would have gone out with a bang

   9. BDC Posted: August 31, 2014 at 05:07 PM (#4782884)
By WAA, Jeter is having the worst season ever by a regular shortstop 40 or older. Of course, that's like slowest swim across the Channel, it's impressive just to be out there. Only four others have ever done it (Wagner, Appling, Larkin, Vizquel).
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: August 31, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4782906)
(How bad: 6-for-54, with 2 BBs, and 19 Ks!


That is 2008/2009 Ortiz level of bad.
   11. Cblau Posted: August 31, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4782959)
Sturm hit leadoff for the 1941 Yankees. Same deal. If only they'd dropped him to the bottom of the order, they might have made the playoffs. (Actually, I see they went 8-5 when he hit 8th. Worse than they did overall.)

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