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Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Man killed following argument over Blue Jays pitching staff

Don’t tell me this was over a ‘Down goes Frasor’ comment or something.

Police say a man who died from an “alleged sucker” punch outside a Calgary bar had been in an argument over the Toronto Blue Jays’ pitching staff moments before he was struck.

Brian Ludwig, a 41-year-old father, died in hospital after the fight early Sunday morning following a charity golf tournament. Ludwig had been at the pub as part of the fundraiser.

Police say they were called to the pub at about 2:50 a.m. Sunday morning.

Ludwig was transported to hospital, where he died.

...The fight began over a disagreement about baseball, police told the Calgary paper Tuesday.

“It was in regards to pitchers in the (Toronto) Blue Jays,” said Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus of the homicide unit.

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   1. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4221172)
The suckerpuncher sounds like a real hooser.
   2. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4221180)
Jesus. This completely shatters my conception of Canadians generally and Canadian baseball fans in particular.
   3. The District Attorney Posted: August 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4221183)
I guess there was no one on the actual pitching staff left for the fates to injure...
   4. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4221192)
Jesus. This completely shatters my conception of Canadians generally and Canadian baseball fans in particular.

This was in Calgary. Those people are practically Americans.
   5. Swedish Chef Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4221209)
This was in Calgary. Those people are practically Americans.

I need to calibrate my scale here, are they worse than Winnipeg?
   6. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4221229)
I need to calibrate my scale here, are they worse than Winnipeg?

Oddly enough some of my favourite people in the world (both artists and friends) are from, or live in Winnipeg. The place itself is a cesspool of awfulness, but it produces some genuinely great people.

Calgary on the other hand is just a run-of-the-mill sad place as it has turned into that which it claimed to despise (ie. Toronto).

But this is of course all just me trying to single-handedly maintain the heated regionalist infighting that makes Canada great.
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4221235)
But this is of course all just me trying to single-handedly maintain the heated regionalist infighting that makes Canada great.

How does the Northwest Territories fit into all of this? All I know about that province comes from playing Risk.
   8. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM (#4221236)
All I know about that province comes from playing Risk.

Ah, yes, Risk, which makes my friends and I singularly excited whenever we see the name "Kamchatka".
   9. Swedish Chef Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4221241)
How does the Northwest Territories fit into all of this? All I know about that province comes from playing Risk.

I know that the capital is Yellowknife, a nicely odd name.
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4221242)
Ah, yes, Risk, which makes my friends and I singularly excited whenever we see the name "Kamchatka".

Fools gold! You'll never keep Asia, my friend.

The funny thing about risk is that playing as a kid games would take hours and hours because we all played very conservatively and eventually every army possible would be on the board. Then I played the videogame version and realized the way to play is to take as many territories as you can as fast as you can and weaken your opponents before they can gain strength. The games also go much faster that way. So, basically, Risk was created by some kind of Hitler worshipper.
   11. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4221245)
The rubbish about how Canadians are all polite and harmless has never been anything but a nonsensical myth that some Canadians like to put forth as a way of trying to make them seem superior to Americans.

Watch those videos one more time of the crazy rioting that always takes place in Vancouver whenever the Canucks lose the Stanley Cup. They're just as capable of acting like wild, out of control maniacs as us American "savages".
   12. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4221249)
How does the Northwest Territories fit into all of this? All I know about that province comes from playing Risk.

Actually I went to a wedding this July that was 75% Northwestern Territoriers, (or "Northerners" as they call themselves). The wedding itself was just outside Calgary. They seem like an eccentric bunch. One of them noted that he hadn't had car insurance for a decade or two, and didn't see this as a problem at all. The groom had met his wife (an Australian) while travelling around Europe. After a year or so of that, and then a summer in Australia, they moved up to "The Territories". I don't she had ever seen snow before, so that was a rather bold move. It all worked out though.

I went to school with him, he took film. Up there he worked as a high school teacher/cultural festival organizer/prison guard. It kind of seems like the sort of place where you can just show up one day and be the mayor the next.

My stance on the Northwest Territories are that they are a cool place and if I find out someone has lived up there I'm going to hang out with them at parties and hear some great stories. But I'm not sure I want to live there. I'd visit, if there was a way to speed up the 20 hour drive from civilization.
   13. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4221251)
I know that the capital is Yellowknife, a nicely odd name.

And Whitehorse in the Yukon. The single hardest thing about a Canadian geography class is not gettin those two mixed up.
   14. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4221253)
Basic, out-of-the-box Risk actually isn't that good of a game, sad to say. Without some incentive to move things along the game gets too static, but accelerating card-set values is an imperfect solution. Single game outcomes are also much too dependent on the luck of the dice rolls.

I won't advertise but anyone interested in Risk is encouraged to look around the internet; there are some really great websites out there where you can play Risk and Risk-variants (from literally as simple as possible to as complex as you like), with terrific communities behind them. I recommend one with initials WG.
   15. GregD Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4221255)
My stance on the Northwest Territories are that they are a cool place and if I find out someone has lived up there I'm going to hang out with them at parties and hear some great stories. But I'm not sure I want to live there. I'd visit, if there was a way to speed up the 20 hour drive from civilization.
Really dumb question: Are the Northwest Territories truly still territories, not a province with a weird name? Does that mean they don't get to vote in national elections and stuff?
   16. E., Hinske Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4221264)
They get to vote. Difference between province and territories has to do with autonomy in areas of provincial jurisdiction, I believe. Pretty sure the territories are controlled by Ottawa.
   17. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4221265)
Basic, out-of-the-box Risk actually isn't that good of a game, sad to say. Without some incentive to move things along the game gets too static

This is true, although it can be fun for joking/threatening conversation! :p In reality, I'm much of a Diplomacy/Axis&Allies; person, but both of those games can take ages (Axes&Allies;, in particular, takes over half an hour to set up, let alone run a turn) or even days - not that I mind, but that this can be difficult to work with. A game with a similar problem that some of my friends and I were recently addicted to is the Game of Thrones board game, which is hellishly complicated and very difficult to get going (took us a couple of weeks to fully understand the rules/basic strategy), as well as requires a fairly good knowledge of the book series, but also consumed a highly substantial portion of the spring.
   18. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4221266)
At the risk of making myself seem superior to anyone (I am Canadian after all!), I could never really take Risk seriously as a game after I discovered the glory that is "Diplomacy".

With respect to Canadian politeness, I think there is a small kernel of truth to it...in so far as generalizations about entire nations can have any truth. Like most nations I think there is a shifting "politeness index" between urban and rural areas. Growing up in Toronto I was raised to not talk to people in the street because they are probably crazy. When I moved to the prairies and strangers would actually say hello to me in the street it took me a while to adjust. The Maritimes (especially Newfoundland I'm told, though it's the one province I've never been to) are the same in terms of hospitality.

In terms of international comparison I think "polite" might be the wrong word, which leads to some confusion. Again, I'm sure there's a lot going on beyond national character, but I find I'm adapting much more easily to British culture than the American friends I have here in the UK. American seem to value honesty very highly. They (again I'm throwing around very general stereotypes here) don't "suffer fools gladly", if something's bothering them they'll let you know, etc. Whereas the English sensibility is much more passive. They'll hem and hah, or agree with someone just to have a pleasant conversation...and then afterwards tell people what a moron that guy was. I fit much better into that latter approach. Whether that's because I'm Canadian or not, who can say?

I will say, any Canadian stereotype of politeness does immediately come off the table if there's a hockey game on.
   19. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4221267)
The best game of Risk I've played, and one of the last, was the perfect definition of "balance of power"- three of us had wiped out the other three players and consolidated ourselves, and had maxed out the card values. We'd continually play card sets, do terrible damage to both other players, with one being seriously weakened, only to watch the other two rebalance the game to avoid being stuck in an unwinnable 1v1 competition.

Give me Diplomacy any day.

edit: Coke to Greg.
   20. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4221272)
Diplomacy is superior but, alas, we didn't have that game when I was a wean. Stabbing people in the back is all kinds of fun, though.
   21. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4221275)
The Ukraine is weak, feeble land.
   22. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4221276)
Are the Northwest Territories truly still territories, not a province with a weird name? Does that mean they don't get to vote in national elections and stuff?

Yes, they are still a "territory", just like Yukon and Nunavut. Territories don't have ownership of lands (surface and subsurface) and don't control justice. They also are scarcely populated, and their economy is tied to Federal government's subsidies.
   23. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4221278)
Really dumb question: Are the Northwest Territories truly still territories, not a province with a weird name? Does that mean they don't get to vote in national elections and stuff?

Hinske more or less answered, but some other interesting notes are...

There are three territories, Yukon, Northwest, and Nunavut (which was created out of the Eastern part of the Northwest Territories a few years ago)

Each territory gets one seat in parliament (out of the national total of 308 I believe).
   24. The District Attorney Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4221283)
The Ukraine is weak, feeble land.
Adrian Gonzalez is the Ukraine.
   25. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4221284)
They also are scarcely populated, and their economy is tied to Federal government's subsidies.

They way my friend describes it is they exist so that the indigenous populations can continue to live up there, with non-indigenous people being subsidized to live there to provide administration, healthcare, and education.
   26. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4221286)
My stance on the Northwest Territories are that they are a cool place and if I find out someone has lived up there I'm going to hang out with them at parties and hear some great stories. But I'm not sure I want to live there. I'd visit, if there was a way to speed up the 20 hour drive from civilization.

I've been to Yellowknife a couple of times to do some research at the Territorial archives and I greatly enjoyed my stay there. Beside, it's not that far when flying. It's only 1 hour and a half from Edmonton. But, it does take a whole day from Eastern Canada.
And Whitehorse in the Yukon. The single hardest thing about a Canadian geography class is not gettin those two mixed up.

True. I kept thinking about this when I was in Yellwoknife and kept reading "KN" (for "Yellowknife") everywhere in town and kept thinking it stood for Yukon...
   27. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4221287)
I want to play Diplomacy now! Who wants to come to New York and play?
   28. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4221293)
They way my friend describes it is they exist so that the indigenous populations can continue to live up there, with non-indigenous people being subsidized to live there to provide administration, healthcare, and education.

Well, it's more complicated I would say. Most Indigenous of the NWT, Yukon and Nunavut have signed Land Claims agreement and it's through their land claims organization - most of which are staffed with aboriginals (in Nunavut anyway) that they get those services. Obviously,there are non-Indigenous providing services, and Indigenous will use hosiptals, etc. But I think it's unfair to say that non-Aboriginals are only there to provide services to Aboriginals.
[Edit: and you know, indigenous would live up there whether the territories existed or not. They had been there well before the territories were created...]
   29. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4221294)
I want to play Diplomacy now! Who wants to come to New York and play?

BTF e-mail game!

I remember once one guy in my group of friends was getting annoyed because as he was really good at Diplomacy, people kept ganging up on him quickly. So we played an anonymous e-mail game, each of us creating e-mail accounts with our particular nation's Foreign Minister as the name. That was fun.

EDIT: My brother's actually in New York right now, and a friend of mine is flying there from London tomorrow...sadly I am not.
   30. BDC Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4221296)
whenever the Canucks lose the Stanley Cup

In other words, annually?
   31. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4221297)
But I think it's unfair to say that non-Aboriginals are only there to provide services to Aboriginals.

Yeah, I sort of assumed he was being a tad glib. It does sound like an interesting place.
   32. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4221300)
Watch those videos one more time of the crazy rioting that always takes place in Vancouver whenever the Canucks lose the Stanley Cup. They're just as capable of acting like wild, out of control maniacs as us American "savages".

The difference with Canada is that after the riot was over, there was a quick volunteer movement to clean up the damage, and when the police requested help for tracking down the rioters, their website was flooded with videos, images, and tips.

Occasionally a group of Canadians will act badly, but we'll quickly slap them down and apologize.

   33. SuperGrover Posted: August 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4221301)
The funny thing about risk is that playing as a kid games would take hours and hours because we all played very conservatively and eventually every army possible would be on the board. Then I played the videogame version and realized the way to play is to take as many territories as you can as fast as you can and weaken your opponents before they can gain strength. The games also go much faster that way. So, basically, Risk was created by some kind of Hitler worshipper.


Holy crap you are right. I never really even thought about it until now. My home games take about ten times as long as the CPU ones.

I played with some friends about 7 years ago. Stayed up until about 6 a.m. Drunken Risk is the bestest!
   34. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4221307)
Diplomacy games played over the course of a cottage weekend are super fun. Say, a turn every 2 hours. There's nothing like the paranoia of looking out on the lake and thinking...is that Will and Karim paddling over to the island to have some beers, or is that Germany and Austria planning a strike on Warsaw?
   35. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4221320)
The funny thing about risk is that playing as a kid games would take hours and hours because we all played very conservatively and eventually every army possible would be on the board.

You want something even slower? Take those same conservative people and have them play "Axis & Allies".
It took 13 hours to finish one game, simply because they guy playing USA refused to intervene in Europe OR Pacific until he built up a force that would simply overwhelm the entire planet. As England, I spent the first 10 hours desperately hanging on, as the Axis powers basically took over everything else on the map except England and USA/Canada.

When the USA did wade into things, it was like a tsunami of armed forces.

   36. JJ1986 Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4221325)
We used to play some WWII reenactment game that took place on a giant paper map and took days or weeks to finish. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called.
   37. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4221328)
We used to play some WWII reenactment game that took place on a giant paper map and took days or weeks to finish. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called.

I had a good friend who played something like that and it lasted an entire year. Actually, I don't think it even ended. Even I thought it was hopelessly nerdy.
   38. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4221329)
USA refused to intervene in Europe OR Pacific until he built up a force that would simply overwhelm the entire planet

This should never have worked if Germany/Japan had any idea what they were doing.

Diplomacy is incredible, thought that went without saying. I bet I still have DipJudge (or whatever it was called) installed on some machine somewhere. The Internet really revolutionized that game - anonymous games are absolutely the only way to go.
   39. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4221339)
Pitt the Elder
   40. winnipegwhip Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4221344)
Oddly enough some of my favourite people in the world (both artists and friends) are from, or live in Winnipeg. The place itself is a cesspool of awfulness, but it produces some genuinely great people.

Calgary on the other hand is just a run-of-the-mill sad place as it has turned into that which it claimed to despise (ie. Toronto).

But this is of course all just me trying to single-handedly maintain the heated regionalist infighting that makes Canada great.


I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for humour, I can tell you I don't find you funny. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you apoligize now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

   41. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4221347)
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for humour, I can tell you I don't find you funny. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you apoligize now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

Pfft. As if you could penetrate into my den of fellow Saskatchewanians. Even if you did, what would you do? Shoot an entire room full of us before anyone could draw their gun? A likely story.
   42. winnipegwhip Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4221352)
Saskatchewanians!!!!!

Next weekend you will be in the beer line at Winnipeg Stadium laughing how the Riders are beating the Bombers and you will hear:

"You don't remember me? We were on BTF nine days ago. I told you I would find you."

PS - as a comic in all seriousness...at least you aren't from Edmonton. (trying to widen the scope of regional fighting)
   43. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4221354)
Canadians seem almost human when they're smack talking. It's...creepy.
   44. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4221356)
PS - as a comic in all seriousness...at least you aren't from Edmonton. (trying to widen the scope of regional fighting)

I'm actually from Toronto sadly enough. But it was while living in Regina for six years that I developed my particular attitude towards Winnipeg (being from Toronto I of course wasn't aware of its existence before then). So for the purposes of this discussion I am aligning with my adopted province.

Of course all this is moot as the scenario you lay out has one major flaw. It was my impression that the Riders are no longer in the business of winning football games.
   45. RJ in TO Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4221357)
Canadians seem almost human when they're smack talking. It's...creepy.

And we seem superhuman when we're plowing your mom. Which is creepier.
   46. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4221363)
And we seem superhuman when we're plowing your mom. Which is creepier.

As long as Mom's happy!
   47. Bitter Mouse Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4221364)
Risk is OK. Diplomacy is great. I have not played either in years. Civilization (the board game) can also be amusing. these days I play more family style board games - they play much faster and are better for parties.
   48. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4221365)
I haven't played since I was a teen, but Diplomacy was the shiznit.
   49. Joe Kehoskie Posted: August 29, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4221373)
Gotta love BBTF: A guy gets killed arguing over the Blue Jays, and the thread needs only four posts to devolve into a discussion of Canadian geography, Canadians, and boardgames.
   50. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4221377)
BTF e-mail game!

In all seriousness, I would be completely and totally up for this.
   51. zonk Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4221383)
Absolutely nothing has taught me geography better than Paradox's EU/HOI games... Setting aside that their province titles sometimes skew a bit, especially in areas that aren't generally central to fronts in gameplay - I think that I could probably take a blank map of the world and come pretty darn close to labeling ~80% of the world's rivers, 95% of the major cities, 100% of the world's straits/seas, every mountain range, and probably every 'region' that Paradox put on their maps.

   52. Srul Itza Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4221384)
My stance on the Northwest Territories are that they are a cool place



I've been there twice, including a trip that took me to Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk.


Man, that is bleak scenery.

   53. The District Attorney Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4221389)
Tuktoyaktuk
Home of Curly?
   54. RJ in TO Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4221390)
As long as Mom's happy!

We aim to please.
   55. McCoy Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4221391)
The setup for A&A takes a really long time but the play should move pretty fast. For the most part you should know who will win after the first turn or at the most second turn or so. Usually gameplay is slow if you are playing with a bunch of newbs who don't really know the game.

I've never played Diplomacy but always wanted to play it.
   56. RJ in TO Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4221392)
I would like to know the positions of the people involved. Was one arguing the staff was good, and the other arguing it was terrible, or was one arguing it was terrible, and the other arguing it was even worse than that?
   57. McCoy Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4221398)
This should never have worked if Germany/Japan had any idea what they were doing.

Yep, the Axis should have been declared victors based on IPC totals long before the hours racked up.
   58. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4221400)
In all seriousness, I would be completely and totally up for this.

Me, too.
   59. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4221401)
I would like to know the positions of the people involved. Was one arguing the staff was good, and the other arguing it was terrible, or was one arguing it was terrible, and the other arguing it was even worse than that?

I assume it was over who should be the Opening Day starter in 2013 JA Happ, or Aaron Laffey?
   60. BDC Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4221403)
We used to play some WWII reenactment game that took place on a giant paper map and took days or weeks to finish. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called.

Maybe it was SPI's War in the East, which IIRC could be linked with a companion game called War in the West and allow for conflict over about the same number of years as the historical war.

   61. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4221404)
Me, too.

Me three! (Or is that implied because I suggested it?)

EDIT: Good god Rajai Davis is a bad outfielder...
   62. zonk Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4221407)
Yep, the Axis should have been declared victors based on IPC totals long before the hours racked up.


Based on exhaustive study, I'm pretty convinced that the Wehrmacht needed only to drop a few divisions of paratroopers on the SE corner of England, then sacrifice their sub fleet as pickets to protect a whole mess of TPs scurrying across the channel. I don't see what was so difficult about Sealion.

/too much grognard
   63. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4221410)
In all seriousness, I would be completely and totally up for this.


Me too. It's been too long since I've drawn Russia, pacted the Ottomans, and rolled westward as an unstoppable joint horde.

Of course, knowing my luck I'd draw Italy.
   64. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4221414)
Of course, knowing my luck I'd draw Italy.

My favourite game was when I drew Italy, and then stabbed Austria in the back three times in one game. I didn't end up winning, but it was sweet.
   65. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4221416)
Me too. It's been too long since I've drawn Russia, pacted the Ottomans, and rolled westward as an unstoppable joint horde.

So, how would this work. Do we need to download something? Clues...I have none!
   66. McCoy Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4221417)
Based on exhaustive study, I'm pretty convinced that the Wehrmacht needed only to drop a few divisions of paratroopers on the SE corner of England, then sacrifice their sub fleet as pickets to protect a whole mess of TPs scurrying across the channel. I don't see what was so difficult about Sealion.

Only problem with that strategy is that the standard defense for the island nations is a whole heap of transport ships in the sea zones. Basically that's when the game bogs down into a slow and steady arms race and when the IPC rule kicks in.
   67. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4221419)
So, how would this work. Do we need to download something? Clues...I have none!

I'm sure you could, the only way I've ever played is just to create a hotmail (or whatever e-mail thing is cool these days) "moderator" account that we send our orders to on some kind of weekly deadline. On the honour system, one person looks at it after the deadline and resolves all the moves, e-mails out results. Other than that you just use your normal e-mail accounts.

I've only ever played e-mail Diplomacy with friends, and we do it this way. I'm sure a Diplomacy nerd out there knows of some online system though.
   68. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4221425)
I'm sure you could, the only way I've ever played is just to create a hotmail (or whatever e-mail thing is cool these days) "moderator" account that we send our orders to on some kind of weekly deadline. On the honour system, one person looks at it after the deadline and resolves all the moves, e-mails out results. Other than that you just use your normal e-mail accounts.

That sounds fine. Since your Canadian and therefore incapable of deceit, I nominate you to be the dungeon master or whatever you want to call the guy in charge.
   69. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4221427)
That sounds fine. Since your Canadian and therefore incapable of deceit, I nominate you to be the dungeon master or whatever you want to call the guy in charge.

Sweet! If there's one thing I relish in life it's having responsibilities!
   70. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4221428)
I'm sure a Diplomacy nerd out there knows of some online system though.

Did I just hear a call? (Although I'm more of a nerd that's just played Diplomacy a few times...)

http://www.dipbounced.com perchance?

And, yeah, I'd be in. Haven't played in a while...
   71. Ron J2 Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4221430)
#65

Colonel Mustard…in the study…with the candlestick!
   72. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4221432)
Sweet! If there's one thing I relish in life it's having responsibilities!

Sarcasm won't make me un-nominate you. See, I already see through your deceptive attempts to get me to betray France.
   73. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4221434)
I nominate the suggestion in 70 as it appears to make a computer do the work I was just volunteered for.

By the way, how many players do we have at this point?
   74. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4221437)
By counting upthread, it's me, Shooty, you, scott, and John R. So five so far.
   75. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4221440)
Time to read through "The Game of Diplomacy" and all the statistics on various plays again!
   76. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4221441)
By counting upthread, it's me, Shooty, you, scott, and John R. So five so far.

Oh where oh where will we find two other dorks to play...
   77. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4221442)
I should also warn you guys, I'm really bad at Diplomacy. I have loads of fun with it but I always lose.
   78. Adward Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4221444)
36, Advanced 3rd Reich and World in Flames were popular during breaks at school. I'm told a friend's younger brother had almost finished our game by his last year of grammar school.

Just South of NWT, Mikisew Cree. Work around here introduces you to every kind of Canadian, from Newfoundland to N E W F O U N D L A N D, eh? My parents tell me I was an accident on account of not being born in Saskatchewan, bunch of square headed moose jumpers. I kid. Dad and uncle tell stories about playing on the same team as Terry Puhl. One of them would get half the prize money for pitching, he'd take the other half for playing the entire left side of the field. I don't know about being polite (will die at 42 from alcohol poisoning) but local friendliness comes from a combination of a laid back island outlook and black humour from living in a dank, dark, **** resort. Tuktoyaktuk sucks when you're dropped there skint a day early from a decomp chamber. Boss has a picture of him and a buddy throwing a football OVER the city when it was just a Hudson Bay store. Calgary is just like Belgium or Purdue, doesn't really exist, accounting cover for whiskey smuggling.

I've never played Diplomacy before, but if you need another body I haven't had my EU2PBEM fix in a while.
   79. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4221453)
Sure, Adward, jump in. I haven't played in 20 years so I don't expect to be great. I'm actually going over the rules again now.
   80. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4221461)
John R, I've registered with "Bounced" and checking out the format.

A couple questions.

Is there a way to create a "closed game" so that only the chosen few can join?
Is there a way to communicate through the site? Or would we just make our various deals and betrayals through personal e-mails.
   81. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4221465)
Yeah, I've also registered and had the same questions - if the answers are both no, something like playdiplomacy.com might be better because I know you can set a game with a password
   82. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4221470)
1) We have to request a private game. Once you've signed in, go to the Full Court Press option and go to game requests. It's a REALLY primitive board.

2) There is an internal communications system. Depending on the options set up, you can choose to allow broadcast press, anonymous broadcast press, and/or private communications.
   83. McCoy Posted: August 29, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4221471)
I'd play but I have absolutely no idea how to play.
   84. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4221472)
That being said, I have no experience with PlayDiplomacy, but it might be a better choice for what we're doing. It looks like the game GMs itself as opposed to needing someone to run it.
   85. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4221477)
Executive Decision as Democratically Elected Game Dictator*:
PlayDiplomacy looks like the better option.

*pending unanimous consent.
   86. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4221482)
Let's give it a shot. If it doesn't work out we can try a plan B. It's free so what the hell, right?
   87. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4221484)
I've used PlayDiplomacy before and have found it cromulent.
   88. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4221485)
OK, game created using PlayDiplomacy.com

Name: BTF Diplomacy
Password: baseball

game number (if that's important): 48093

Nations appear to be randomly assigned when you join up. I suggest we take further discussion of the game to there so we don't clog up this important conversation about which part of Canada is the worst...or to some other diplomacy site when we determine that this one is no good.
   89. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4221486)
Awesome. Someone (looking at you, Democratically Elected Game Dictator) want to create a game? :)

EDIT: GAH, that's gotta be more than a coke, no?

EDIT2: joined!
   90. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4221497)
I'm still waiting for the e-mail to verify my account.
   91. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4221500)
Not sure the head-count but I'm still interested as well if you end up needing one. Glad you nixed BOUNCED, their map is ugly as sin.
   92. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4221501)
joined.
   93. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4221505)
I'm in as well. Here's hoping I don't pull the country I know I will...
   94. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4221509)
OK, so we're waiting for Shooty so far, and then two more wildcards. Adward and McCoy were the first two to volunteer.
   95. McCoy Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4221515)
I'm in but I don't know how to play. Is there a way to get quickly up to speed? I don't wish to drag the group down with my ignorance.
   96. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4221517)
OK, so we're waiting for Shooty so far, and then two more wildcards. Adward and McCoy were the first two to volunteer.

I still haven't gotten the damn e-mail. I hope my e-mail server didn't squash it.
   97. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4221526)
I'm in but I don't know how to play. Is there a way to get quickly up to speed? I don't wish to drag the group down with my ignorance.

The "Rules" section on the playdiplomacy.com site gives a pretty succinct review of the rules. The actual rules of the game are incredibly simple, the details come in the strategy, of which there is probably tons of reading material online. I myself have never done any reading up on strategy (this is part of why I'm not very good at it), I mostly like to just muddle through things as the game goes along.
   98. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4221528)
Still no e-mail. Grrrr.
   99. Greg K Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4221529)
Still no e-mail. Grrrr.

Do you have a different account you can use?
   100. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 29, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4221531)
Do you have a different account you can use?

Just hotmail but the site says I shouldn't use it. Maybe I'll try it anyway.
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