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Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Man killed following argument over Blue Jays pitching staff

Don’t tell me this was over a ‘Down goes Frasor’ comment or something.

Police say a man who died from an “alleged sucker” punch outside a Calgary bar had been in an argument over the Toronto Blue Jays’ pitching staff moments before he was struck.

Brian Ludwig, a 41-year-old father, died in hospital after the fight early Sunday morning following a charity golf tournament. Ludwig had been at the pub as part of the fundraiser.

Police say they were called to the pub at about 2:50 a.m. Sunday morning.

Ludwig was transported to hospital, where he died.

...The fight began over a disagreement about baseball, police told the Calgary paper Tuesday.

“It was in regards to pitchers in the (Toronto) Blue Jays,” said Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus of the homicide unit.

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   201. McCoy Posted: September 02, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4225360)
I don't think I'm giving away any valuable secrets when I say my orders are finalized and have been finalized for awhile now. It would seem to me that there are only so many first moves.
   202. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 02, 2012 at 11:56 PM (#4225366)
Yeah, I was trying to think several moves out, but then I realized that's simply bonkers & crazy-making, so I just figured I'd pick something & see what happens.
   203. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 03, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4225382)
Thank goodness. I didn't want to be the one to say it. I've been subtly hinting in our game's chatroom, but there REALLY isn't all that much to think about on the first turn. My orders have also been finalized for a while. I've actually been paranoid that everyone else is conspiring against me, or worse, that they think I'm conspiring against them, since I'm not really talking to anyone any more.
   204. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 03, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4225474)
Fine, fine I finalized.

But if I lose, I blaming you all for rushing me ;-)
   205. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 03, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4225476)
There you go. First turn is done.
   206. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 03, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4225551)
Well, we know who wins the first booby prize.
   207. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: September 03, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4225566)
Man, I wish I'd known there was a board-game thread going on.
   208. McCoy Posted: September 03, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4225604)
Well, we know who wins the first booby prize.

Who won it and for what?

On our game I would say there has been only one confusing opening move.
   209. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 03, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4225610)
Shooty. He didn't issue any orders or something. I guess we're re-starting the game.

Man, I wish I'd known there was a board-game thread going on.

You've found it!

EDIT: On our game I would say there has been only one confusing opening move.

I think I can guess which one you're referring to (probably best not to discuss the active game), but holy cow is that an exciting S01. There is a LOT going on.
   210. McCoy Posted: September 03, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4225731)
You can watch the game as an outsider? Cool
   211. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 03, 2012 at 07:38 PM (#4225756)
Yeah, anyone can look at the map.

Our game's S01 is MUCH more typical than yours'.

Our first game is at http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48093
Our replacement game is at (well, will be) http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48277
Your game is at http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48112

My other game is at http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play.php?game_id=47835. I have Austria. Feel free to discuss that game here! In fact, if anyone cares (I can never tell; I'm such a nerd that I'm going to enjoy watching y'all's game, but other people may not find games they're not participating in interesting), I'm going to try something tricky in F01 that I'm a little bit proud of. No telling if it'll come off, though; Russia's being... difficult.
   212.   Posted: September 03, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4225785)
What the hell is wrong with you people.
   213. Gaelan Posted: September 03, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4225835)
I think watching the other game will be fun. A good idea not to discuss active games though.
   214. zenbitz Posted: September 04, 2012 at 01:54 AM (#4225943)
You guys should play "Darth Vader" diplomacy where you are only allowed to communicate in Darth Vader quotes.
   215. Greg K Posted: September 04, 2012 at 06:57 AM (#4225974)
My brother and I used to play with our stuffed animals running the various countries. Each one also had heirs, foreign ministers, and generals that had their own loyalties and tried to push for certain policies. I think we added an economic element too with each region producing various goods necessary for military maintenance...I'm not sure if we ever finished a game, but it was fun!
   216. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 04, 2012 at 08:44 AM (#4226007)
Sorry guys! I'm an idiot. I had a little trouble figuring out how to execute the orders and then all of a sudden it was Fall!
   217. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 04, 2012 at 08:47 AM (#4226008)
Also, I guess we decided to start over? That is unfortunate but, on the other hand, at least the rookies and those of us who haven't played since MC Hammer was popular a quick refresher. What's the password for the new game? I'll sign up and get my orders in before the end of the day.
   218. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 04, 2012 at 09:44 AM (#4226044)
I'm all signed up for the new game.
   219. Gaelan Posted: September 04, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4226192)
I was looking for the new game so I could watch but I can't find it.
   220. chris p Posted: September 04, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4226263)
is there still an open game? i'd join ...
   221. Langer Monk Posted: September 04, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4226276)
If we have enough for a 2d (or whatever number you're up to) game to start, I'm also in.
   222. McCoy Posted: September 04, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4226359)
The 3rd game is setup.

BTF Diplomacy III
password: baseball
number: 48321

Order deadline every 2 days.
   223. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 04, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4226380)
You third-game Diplomacy guys are poseurs! Clearly we'll need to have some kind of championship when both games are done.
   224. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: September 04, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4226394)
Now that we're up to III, are we allowed to enter multiple games? :)
   225. chris p Posted: September 04, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4226396)
i joined (snappy173)
   226. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 04, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4226410)
i joined (snappy173)

Now that's going to be confusing. Are you history's 173rd greatest monster?
   227. McCoy Posted: September 04, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4226431)
Do whatever makes you happy but keep the games separate.
   228. chris p Posted: September 04, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4226506)
Now that's going to be confusing. Are you history's 173rd greatest monster?


sorry about that. i don't think it'll be that confusing ... once the game's started, it'll be easier to refer to people in terms of their nations.
   229. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 04, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4226532)
sorry about that. i don't think it'll be that confusing ... once the game's started, it'll be easier to refer to people in terms of their nations.

Just joking around. Different game anyway.
   230. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 04, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4226542)
I wonder if people who haven't opened this thread just assume it's about politics, mayonnaise or airline seat reclining?
   231. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 04, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4226557)
I wonder if people who haven't opened this thread just assume it's about politics, mayonnaise or airline seat reclining?


I expected a "Lord Palmerston" "Pitt the Elder" comment in the first 5 posts, and then a digression to 19th century European politics or the Simpsons.
   232. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 04, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4226598)
The nomenclature is going to get VERY confusing since both of the first two games have now had two iterations.

We can keep it all straight here.

Game 1 ("BTF Diplomacy Take 2")
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48277
Austria: Arnett Mead
England: RTsquared (John R)
France: KaiserBrown (scott)
Germany: Petunia
Italy: Adward
Russia: Shooty
Turkey: GregK
(NOTE: Partial S01 results can be found at http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48093)

Game 2 ("BTF Diplomacy #3")
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48112
Austria: Juneyell
England: jigokumimi
France: whitebg
Germany: Gaelan
Italy: alansternberg
Russia: Snapper
Turkey: McCoy

Game 3 ("BTF Diplomacy III")
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/game_play_details.php?game_id=48321
(NOTE: This particular link will not work until the game is active)
Players so far:
McCoy
LangerMonk
snappy173 (chris p)

I'd join the 3rd game happily but the site only lets you participate in 3 games at once (without paying for a membership) so until our first aborted attempt goes away, I'm stuck.

It looks like everybody's confirmed the 2nd 1st game so we all need to re-enter and finalize our S01 orders. See above for link to the initial game in case you forgot what you ordered.
   233. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: September 04, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4226600)
Petuniaviles - you can surrender the original game. Not like we're in this for the ratings boost...
   234. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 04, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4226603)
I also think we should all keep in mind Gaelan's words of wisdom regarding turn deadlines:


"You can change your orders after you finalize up until the last person finalizes.

So if people know what they want to do there isn't a lot of danger in finalizing your orders. If the diplomatic situation changes, or you just change your mind, you can change your moves up until the last person finalizes.

If you are the last person to finalize your moves the computer will process them. Which is ok because then the situation can't change.

So to make a long story short, I recommend that we finalize our moves when we can. We can still take our time to make sure we communicate with everyone without necessarily taking 5 days between moves.

...

I think our policy should be that it is always ok to wait. We have real lives after all and this is supposed to be fun. No one should feel pressure to rush.

However, once you've decided you should finalize. There is no reason to go days between moves if it can be avoided. "
   235. McCoy Posted: September 04, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4226670)
Up to 4 players now on BTF Diplomacy III password: baseball. 3 spots open.
   236. Gaelan Posted: September 04, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4226717)
Petuniaville, funny story. I was reading your post, thinking that was well said. I was going to cut and paste your words and use them. Then I realized they were my own words.

[Edit] I'd join the third game as well, but I joined two other games to practice since I'd never played a real game before. Those games aren't as fun though because someone has disappeared/or not entered moves in both of them. Now both times they were my neighbours so I'm doing quite well but that's mostly luck.

Also I've had more messages in one turn in the BTF game than through two years of those games combined. The BTF game is fun even though we've only had one turn (though maybe it could go a little faster) but the other games have been too easy for my tastes.
   237. chris p Posted: September 04, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4226739)
I think our policy should be that it is always ok to wait. We have real lives after all and this is supposed to be fun. No one should feel pressure to rush.

agree with this. HOWEVER ... if you are a jackass that likes to play metagames with the time limits by always being the last person to finalize ... well, i'd like to believe that you'd be punished in-game. seriously, don't be that guy.
   238. McCoy Posted: September 04, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4226774)
Also I've had more messages in one turn in the BTF game than through two years of those games combined. The BTF game is fun even though we've only had one turn (though maybe it could go a little faster) but the other games have been too easy for my tastes.

The third game should move a lot faster once it gets going. Turns are limited to two days in that setup.


I would like to hear a little more chatter from some of the players in our first game but it is what it is. Hopefully they are just busy and will be getting back to me soon.

Gaelan, you joined BTF Diplomacy III?
   239. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 05, 2012 at 07:21 AM (#4226847)
Come on Gaelan, join that game. It's been a while since you've jedi mind-tricked me.
   240. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4226892)
I would like to hear a little more chatter from some of the players in our first game but it is what it is. Hopefully they are just busy and will be getting back to me soon.

Concur.
   241. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4226916)
Come on Gaelan, join that game. It's been a while since you've jedi mind-tricked me.

I'll join if you need bodies.
   242. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4226922)
One spot left in the BTF Diplomacy III game. Someone join so we can start.
   243. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:09 AM (#4226971)
Joined!

Since this thread started, I've begun organizing a real life game with several of my friends in a few weekends. There will be marriages to screw with!
   244. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4226976)
waiting on three confirmations to start the third game.


Playing this in person would seem kind of fun but also cumbersome. Writing out orders for 10 units and then everybody issuing the orders 10 minutes later and have it all be correct seems like a huge pain in the butt. Plus what do people do during the discussion phase of the game? Leave the room in clumps of people? Write furiously?
   245. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4226977)
Joined!

Cool. Just waiting on confirmations and we're good to go.
   246. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4226980)
Playing this in person would seem kind of fun but also cumbersome. Writing out orders for 10 units and then everybody issuing the orders 10 minutes later and have it all be correct seems like a huge pain in the butt. Plus what do people do during the discussion phase of the game? Leave the room in clumps of people? Write furiously?

It's awesome in person. 1. You get to see their faces when you stab them in the back. 2. Trying to communicate secretly and trying to manipulate the obvious public conversations is all part of the fun.
   247. Greg K Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4226986)
It's awesome in person. 1. You get to see their faces when you stab them in the back. 2. Trying to communicate secretly and trying to manipulate the obvious public conversations is all part of the fun.

Ideally it's a good game for a weekend at the lake or something. Make orders due every hour or some-such, then enjoy the weekend, mixing personal and game conversation. It stretches out the paranoia for days!
   248. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4226991)
I confirmed game III.

McCoy, I replied to your message.
   249. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4226994)
It's great for that, but it's also a lot of fun for an afternoon/night of BBQ and drinking. And as people get eliminated, then it just turns into a plain old party!
   250. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4227016)
A 7 person party? Where you from? Antarctica?

Down to just one confirmation left and we'll get our countries and roll from there. Should be a much faster game than the precious ones.
   251. Gaelan Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4227022)
I'm in three games already so I couldn't join the third game. But I'm going to watch it.
   252. Greg K Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4227028)
A 7 person party? Where you from? Antarctica?

For someone who was an avid Diplomacy player in his youth, a 7 is a fairly large party....or maybe that's just me.

Another fun way to do it is online or e-mail weekly turn game among friends. In one game I was in an alliance that wasn't really helping my game much simply because I enjoyed having pints with the guy every Friday to discuss strategy.
   253. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4227036)
I'm in three games already so I couldn't join the third game. But I'm going to watch it.

You can be my Consigliere if you want. That way you can still screw over Shooty, and keep your hands clean ;-)
   254. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4227039)
I'd be way too impatient for a weekly turn game. But it would be cool to talk strategy around a beer, though the bartender at RDF might think us a little weird. Talking about invading Paris and all that.
   255. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4227046)
A 7 person party? Where you from? Antarctica?


Get together may be more accurate. I guess these days when I think party I think dinner party more quickly than rager. I'm oooold.
   256. chris p Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4227048)
But it would be cool to talk strategy around a beer.

... or 10 ... the one time i hosted a live game, russia had a few too many and ended up passed out on my couch.
   257. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4227049)
Plus what do people do during the discussion phase of the game? Leave the room in clumps of people?
Yes. Whisper in corners, etc. Actually adds a dimension because you *know* someone may have seen you talking to England, so if you're Germany and talking to the French about allying against England you should probably have a plausible story straight on what you're talking to England about.
   258. chris p Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4227060)
Yes. Whisper in corners, etc. Actually adds a dimension because you *know* someone may have seen you talking to England, so if you're Germany and talking to the French about allying against England you should probably have a plausible story straight on what you're talking to England about.

or, if you're really and truly ######, you just sit there staring at the board. maybe you rock back and forth, mutter something incomprehensible, or drown your sorrows in alcohol.
   259. Greg K Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4227083)
... or 10 ... the one time i hosted a live game, russia had a few too many and ended up passed out on my couch.

We had one game where every player had a liquor from their nation. We were a bit stumped for Turkey, so got Wild Turkey Whiskey, which was pretty terrible. It was customary for every pact (real or feigned) to be sealed with an exchange of national beverages.
   260. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4227102)
An anise flavored liquor would have worked for Turkey. Of course if I was Turkey I'd surrender before the first phase if I had to drink that junk.
   261. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4227206)
So, anybody see LangerMonk?
   262. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4227210)
I think he posts at night. That is about the only time I've ever seen his posts. Granted the only time I've ever seen his name is in this thread so the sample size is a bit small.
   263. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4227219)
BTW, if people drop out, or just disappear, is there a mechanism on the site for a new guy to take their spot?
   264. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4227224)
Outside of giving another person their name and password I do not believe so. A player can surrender and I hope if one is going to drop out they hit the surrender button first instead of just letting their nation do nothing all the way through to the deadline. If they don't it'll probably kill the game.
   265. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4227242)
I just found a screencap of a late game I played with friends back in 2009.

I'm not sure in how many games a Convoy from Constantinople gets to Wales.

I was Russia, Turkey was my Brother, Italy is our friend. We ended up with a 3 way draw after France and Germany surrendered.

eta: Wait, nope. I was Germany. We ended up backstabbing Russia, my cousin. Looking back at the orders, Austria was dead by 1903.
   266. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4227243)
Outside of giving another person their name and password I do not believe so. A player can surrender and I hope if one is going to drop out they hit the surrender button first instead of just letting their nation do nothing all the way through to the deadline. If they don't it'll probably kill the game.

Just looked at the Rules under Glossary, and for Abandoned, it says this:

ABANDONED - When a player and country are in Civil Disorder (see below) for 2+ turns the judge will vacate their position and the power will be abandoned and eligible to be taken over if another player wants to do so.


I don't know who the judge is, but it seems like there's a mechanism to replace.
   267. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4227248)
Cool. I believe the "judge" is the diplomacy software.
   268. Langer Monk Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4227250)
I'm at work, trying to confirm now.
   269. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4227258)
I'm at work, trying to confirm now.

Cool.
   270. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4227260)
My woork is a pain in the butt as well. They've got a filter that blocks the site so I have to use my phone but the reception sucks in my office so I have to leave the building to check in. So if you do confirm soon I just want to warn you all that I'll have limited communication with you all until later tonight. Probably after midnight, though I'll have lots of time tomorrow morning and afternoon to communicate.
   271. Langer Monk Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4227261)
Confirmed. Had to use my phone too. But we're assigned.
   272. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4227265)
Crap!

Now I'm Italy. It went from bad to worse!
   273. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4227266)
My woork is a pain in the butt as well. They've got a filter that blocks the site so I have to use my phone but the reception sucks in my office so I have to leave the building to check in.

You need to get a debilitating medical condition like me, so you can work from home ;-)
   274. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4227267)
BTF Diplomacy III

Italy: McCoy
England: Langer Monk
Russia: Chris P
Austria: RTsquared
Germany: Shooty
Turkey: Snapper
France: KaiserBrown
   275. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4227268)
Here are the assignment for Game III, not to be confused with Game #3

ITALY McCoy
ENGLAND LangerMonk
RUSSIA snappy173
AUSTRIA RTsquared
GERMANY ShootyBabbitt
TURKEY Snapper
FRANCE KaiserBrown

Edit: D'oh, Coke to McCoy
   276. Langer Monk Posted: September 05, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4227294)
My lunch is over - so I'll be back at it this evening. Plotting and whatnot.
   277. Greg K Posted: September 05, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4227298)
How you guys can wrap your heads around more than one game at a time and hold down jobs is beyond me.
   278. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4227314)
How you guys can wrap your heads around more than one game at a time and hold down jobs is beyond me.

Oh, I can't. I'm going to lose both games badly.
   279. chris p Posted: September 05, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4227395)
this is going to significantly cut down on the time i spend browsing http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/
   280. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4227401)
Yeah, at some point in the near future I'm going to get outplayed in at least one game due to work commitments.

Though once you've played enough games it's pretty easy to see what's going on from a quick look on the board. Russia and Turkey not fighting over the Black Sea after 1 turn? Probably friendly. Trieste and Venice both empty after 1 turn? Austria and Italy are likely friendly.

I also find that telling the truth generally stands you in better stead than lying a lot. Some lying is simply going to happen, but the more you tell the truth the more likely people are to both trust your alliance offers (and thus not bungle things by not fully investing in the alliance) and the more likely people are to believe you when you're about to backstab them.
   281. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 04:30 PM (#4227476)
BTW, I promise to do my utmost best not to hold against anyone in both games what they do to me in both games. Because that can really throw things off.
   282. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 05, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4227569)
Yes, agreed. That's not only good sportsmanship but in the TOS on the site. And I mean, it's Diplomacy - of COURSE you're going to be betrayed. Everybody can't win.

The great thing is, the site doesn't attach names to countries except from outside the game, so I actually only vaguely know who I'm dealing with. I've made a bit of a point of not finding out. The big reveal in the endgame when I finally know who I've been talking to is going to be fun.


Re the earlier question - yes, replacement players are commonplace on that site. You can advertise for one in the forums.

Gaelan - I was reading your post, thinking that was well said. I was going to cut and paste your words and use them. Then I realized they were my own words.

Yes, well, I thought it was well said too!
   283. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: September 05, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4227570)
Username updated to make me more identifiable between here and the games.

And I'm not going to hold someone's actions against me in one game against him in later games. However, I will use that information to determine how trustworthy I find him to be.
   284. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4227581)
How you guys can wrap your heads around more than one game at a time and hold down jobs is beyond me.

I'm only in one, I do it pretty much only *while* I'm at work, and it's already a bit of a problem with my productivity, ha.
The great thing is, the site doesn't attach names to countries except from outside the game, so I actually only vaguely know who I'm dealing with. I've made a bit of a point of not finding out. The big reveal in the endgame when I finally know who I've been talking to is going to be fun.

Yeah, I've been thinking of people only in terms of their nations. It helps to have only interacted with maybe one or two of your on BBTF prior to this game, so I don't really have preconceived notions/opinions anyway, so I don't really remember the BBTF usernames of most of the players to begin with.
   285. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4227596)
The great thing is, the site doesn't attach names to countries except from outside the game, so I actually only vaguely know who I'm dealing with. I've made a bit of a point of not finding out. The big reveal in the endgame when I finally know who I've been talking to is going to be fun.


Yeah, this is pretty nice. I'd have liked to be two different countries, but it'll be really interesting to see how things work differently in each game given the same start.

   286. Langer Monk Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4227622)
Hardest part is waiting - too many possibilities running through my head, and none of it matters for a couple turns at most.
   287. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4227625)
Hardest part is waiting - too many possibilities running through my head, and none of it matters for a couple turns at most.

Do the first few turns generally follow the same path?
   288. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: September 05, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4227637)
Nope! If anything, the start is where things are craziest. There's very few alliance combinations that can't work out- and of course you can wait out the first few turns without committing to more than short term deals. And of course you're trying to figure out who you can trust and who you can't, so who knows whether your plans will work out.
   289. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 05, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4227721)
Yep. It's actually quite amazing the number of different possibilities for the way openings can work out, and the number of PLAUSIBLE game-states after 1901 is really staggering.

I mean, there are definitely some commonalities. Like, I don't know, in games where Greece is captured by W01, I'd guess like 70% of the time it's held by Austria. Things like that.

But I bet if you compared the opening play in each of the first 2 BBTF games, none of the 7 players played the same moves, even as simple as the first turn might seem.

It helps to have only interacted with maybe one or two of your on BBTF prior to this game, so I don't really have preconceived notions/opinions anyway, so I don't really remember the BBTF usernames of most of the players to begin with.

Agree with this as well. The only thing I really know about anyone in my game is something to do with Shooty's mom. And that's not all that helpful.
   290. Gaelan Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4227840)
I think Austria did the same thing both times. All the other opening moves are different.
   291. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4227853)
I'll admit it now, I screwed up my opening move. I was trying to invade Atlantis but I botched the orders.
   292. Langer Monk Posted: September 06, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4228041)
How close are we to finalizing Game III orders?
   293. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4228051)
How close are we to finalizing Game III orders?

Just did mine.

How about Game 3?
   294. chris p Posted: September 06, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4228062)
How about Game 3?

so there is a game III and a game 3? what's next, game three?
   295. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4228071)
so there is a game III and a game 3?

Yes, Suboptimal.
   296. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4228267)
Hey, if the gloriously restored Roman Empire wants to use Roman numerals then we use Roman numerals!

Anyway the game should be finalizing the moves now as there is no time left on the timer.
   297. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4228269)
Yep, just kicked in. New phase!
   298. Langer Monk Posted: September 06, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4228412)
3 games, 3 completely different sets of moves, eh?
   299. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 06, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4228459)
3 games, 3 completely different sets of moves, eh?

How do I see the "1st" game?
   300. McCoy Posted: September 06, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4228463)
type in the name in the "active games" section.
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