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1. Greg (U)K Posted: May 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM (#3198381)I'm more impressed by the fact that Greinke's ERA+ is 538.
Maddux's 1994 season had him at an ERA+ of 271, Pedro's 2000 season had him at an ERA+ of 291, Gooden's 1985 season had him at 228, Seaver's 1971 season had him at 193, Carlton's 1972 season had him at 182, Clemens' 1998 season had him at 221 (though his 2005 season may have been more impressive, at 226) and Koufax's 1966 season had him at 190.
Conclusion: Greinke has a very, very good shot to have on of the all-time great post WWII seasons, both in relative and in absolute terms.
Now, absent a colossal implosion, Grienke almost has it wrapped up.
His best ERA+ season was 2002, when he had an ERA+ of 197, better than the best seasons by Seaver, Carlton and Koufax, though still behind Pedro, Maddux, Gooden and Clemens for best post WWII season.
(Don't look now, but Johan Santana may well end up having an all-time great season this year too. His best ERA+ is 182 in 2004, and right now he's at 247).
I'm not so sure. The season isn't even a third over, and Grienke isn't this good. He can still be good going forward and get passed by someone like Halladay, Buerhle, or Verlander (who has been at least as good as Grienke after a crappy 4 start beginning to the season, echoes of Sabathia 08?), or even the large one himself. Especially if one of them gets 20 wins, and/or a playoff birth, and Grienke doesn't.
Given the competition, I say it's less than 50/50 that Grienke gets the CY, even though he's got the best individual chance.
I don't know about that... I mean, to get passed, it seems to me that he would need to be terrible for extended stretch.
I mean, let's say Greinke puts up Daniel Cabera's line thus for the next month and a half...
That puts him at 115 IP, 102 hits, 47 BBs, 97 Ks, 4 homers, 33 ERs... which works out to an unadjusted ERA of 2.58 -- and if my math is right, still an ERA+ of 177.
Think about that for a moment... Greinke could pitch as 'well' as Daniel Cabrera from here till the all-star break and still have an ERA+ of 177.
It's kind of surprising that Halladay hasn't won his second Cy Young yet. He's basically been the AL's best pitcher over the last seven years, with only one "bad" season thrown in there (ERA+ of 115 in injury-shortened 2004). Every year it seems like he's in the running for the Cy Young, but he's only got one to show for it.
At the same time, he's never really been "robbed." He finished second twice; Johan Santana was unquestionably better than him in 2006 and Cliff Lee had a pretty good argument last year. (Even if you thought Halladay was better, you had to admit that Lee was awfully close, and his numbers were definitely more superficially impressive.)
In 2004 Halladay only made 21 starts, but went 12-4 with a 184 ERA+ and led the league in complete games. In 2002 he went 19-7 with a 158 ERA+, led the league in innings, and only gave up 10 HR. He didn't get a single Cy Young vote either year.
He's at 1.83 "Career Shares" for Cy Young awards so far. Everyone with more Career Shares has won multiple Cy Youngs except for Catfish Hunter and Ron Guidry (one apiece) and Curt Schilling (none). I think he could pass all three of those guys this year even without winning the award.
Regrettably, I must agree with this. Santana deserved the win over Halladay, and the Cliff Lee/Halladay performances were close enough that I can't really complain about Cliff Lee winning (and, let's face it, regardless of ERA, 22-3 is going to beat 20-11 in the voting 99% of the time).
If it only weren't for that line shot off his leg in 2005, he probably sneaks out that second Cy Young.
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