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Wednesday, July 18, 2018

Manny Machado blockbuster makes Dodgers the NL’s team to beat

Machado is expected to play shortstop for the Dodgers, as he did with the Orioles, although shortstop actually hasn’t been a problem. Seager played his last game on April 29; since then, with Chris Taylor getting most of the starts (plus a few from Enrique Hernandez), Dodgers shortstops rank fifth in the majors in wOBA. The bigger issue has been second base, where Logan Forsythe and Chase Utley haven’t provided much production and the Dodgers rank 20th in the majors in wOBA.

Adding Machado allows Dave Roberts to slide Taylor over to second base and create a deep lineup with a deep bench and lots of versatility and ability to mix and match….

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 18, 2018 at 07:16 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dodgers, manny machado

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   1. bfan Posted: July 18, 2018 at 08:25 PM (#5712258)
I am more convinced that just as there are people that differ along the talent line, so are there people that differ along the intelligence line and the negotiating skill line, and that Andrew Friedman just sits atop the scale on both intelligence and negotiating skill. What is he-hypnotic? soothing? melodic?

After watching him completely strip John Coppolella in a deal (question-would Coppolella have cheated that following winter if he wasn't trying so hard to make of for the humiliation of his deal with the Dodgers?), now Andrew does the same with Baltimore? Seriously-that package? By this measure the Braves could have offered Touki Toussaint and 4 toolsy AA players with very limited to no MLB futures, and matched this take.

If I am a GM, I just pull Friedman's name from my contact list in my phone (to remove temptation), and shun him at the GM meetings; if you deal with him, he is going to hose you and make you look bad, because he is just smarter and a better negotiator than you.
   2. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 18, 2018 at 08:50 PM (#5712272)
What are you talking about? This is for 2.5 months, it sure seems like a much better package than Martinez cost last year, which is the real comp here I think.
   3. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 18, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5712275)
This helps the dodgers offense, but their defense is taking a hit as these moves all probably reseult in a worse defender at each position. Still it's a no brainier move for them.

I'm also not completely convinced they're the clear team to beat in the NL, but that also assumes the Cubs rotation has the positive regression it should in the second half. A third straight nlcs matchup would be exciting.
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 18, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5712277)
I just pull Friedman's name from my contact list in my phone (to remove temptation), and shun him at the GM meetings


Bill Veeck wrote of intending to deal with Branch Rickey, freezing at the hotel, and deciding to proceed by writing notes and using bellboys as messengers.
   5. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 18, 2018 at 10:50 PM (#5712356)
This helps the dodgers offense, but their defense is taking a hit as these moves all probably reseult in a worse defender at each position. Still it's a no brainier move for them.


Yup.

Of all the NL destinations, I think I might be most relieved (from a Cubs fan perspective) with LA as the destination.

Of course it makes the Dodgers better overall... I'd rather he stayed in the AL... but in relative terms? Better LA than Milwaukee. All things considered, maybe even better LA than ATL or PHI.

Plus, the Dodgers farm system now takes another big hit down to the Cubs level of 'we've traded or graduated' the cream.
   6. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 18, 2018 at 11:09 PM (#5712364)
What are you talking about? This is for 2.5 months, it sure seems like a much better package than Martinez cost last year, which is the real comp here I think.


Agree. It's like 60 games, that's it. I was thinking from the O's perspective anything that might be better then the 1st rounder they'd get from the QO is a win. Sure you had a few teams bidding there, but it's a 60 game rental..you just aren't going to get much return for that(or you shouldn't if teams are smart)
   7. KJOK Posted: July 19, 2018 at 12:48 AM (#5712391)
Having seen Diaz live for 2 seasons now, I'd say it's a great trade for the Orioles. Diaz has made tremendous improvements in his game this year. He's probably going to end up being a RF instead of a CF, but if he develops some power like most his age do, he'll be a star. As for Kremer, the ESPN article is wrong - he's pitched only 7 innings in AA, but they were 7 shutout innings with 11 strikeouts, which is impressive for a AA debut.

   8. Walt Davis Posted: July 19, 2018 at 12:48 AM (#5712392)
Yep. Diaz is #84 at MLB.com right now. Having a nice year at AA for a 21-year-old, haven't seen it mentioned that he has more BB than K this year after a worse than 1:2 ratio in previous years. O's say he was the best single prospect they were offered ... of course they'd believe that even if it's not true. The two pitchers look like decent lottery tickets.

As for Touki ... he cracked the top 100 back in 2015 but the injuries mean he hasn't seen it since. His AA numbers this year look good but (in raw terms) they're about the same as Kremer's at A+ at the same age (he just moved up ... as did Touki). So Touki's probably better than the #2 piece in this deal but probably not as good as the #1.

Also figure that with Seager returning, Turner and Taylor under wraps, Dodgers may not see Machado as a long-term option. (They might also be happy to move Taylor back to OF or trade Turner.) I doubt the Braves were gonna pony up big to keep Machado from FA either; same with the Brewers. So even if you buy the theory that you should be willing to put more in the trade for the chance to extend Machado, that's a question for the Yanks and Red Sox.
   9. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 19, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5712456)
Law did a midseason ranking update today and has Diaz as #49 in his listing.
   10. donlock Posted: July 19, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5712746)
I have not heard the components of a verified, single offer for Manny Machado in the year preceding this trade.

I have heard much speculation and sportswriter stories of what the Cubs might do or would the O's accept this player or that one. There is no way to evaluate this trade now or in the future without the names in the other offers and any cash involved.

When will we get this information? Never. A season later, what was the second best offer for Justin Verlander? for J.D.Martinez?
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 19, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5712770)
There is no way to evaluate this trade now or in the future without the names in the other offers and any cash involved.

That's true, but it seems highly likely that the Orioles took the best offer. They might have miscalculated, either based on what we think we know now or 20-20 foresight, but it doesn't look like they spurned a better deal from a divisional rival.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: July 19, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5712775)
In the last couple of weeks, we heard a few names not on the table (Sheffield). The early speculation on these deals is almost always silly (Addison Russell?) I wasn't willing to rule out that some team would cave in and give a top-20 prospect (see Indians) but this is about the deal I expected, maybe the secondary pieces are a bit more on the lottery side than I'd have thought. Verlander ended up going for about what I originally expected too.

The Padres vs O's trades is an interesting thought experiment though. Were the Indians unwilling to give up Meija for 2+ months of Machado but willing to for about 8+ years of relievers? Or were the O's more interested in Diaz (and pieces) than Meija regardless of their respective rankings?
   13. Buck Coats Posted: July 19, 2018 at 08:01 PM (#5712801)
Well the Indians seem pretty well set at SS and 3B, I'm not sure what they would do with Machado
edit: I guess maybe play him at 2B?? Kipnis has been pretty terrible.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 19, 2018 at 08:05 PM (#5712807)
Well the Indians seem pretty well set at SS and 3B, I'm not sure what they would do with Machado
edit: I guess maybe play him at 2B?? Kipnis has been pretty terrible.


Ramirez can play 2B, so Machado could play 3B.

Kipnis was really terrible early, but has been on fire recently: wRC+ April 36, May 86, June 112, July 155.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 19, 2018 at 08:08 PM (#5712811)
Hasn’t Machado bern pretty clear that he ain’t playing third base? It might’ve been interesting to see what happened if a team like the Indians picked him up and told him to play third base. I’m not sure I’d want to give up a big package for a guy who might show up pissed off. You’d hope he’d be preofessional but he’s been emphatic about his desire to stay at shortstop
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 19, 2018 at 08:11 PM (#5712812)
Hasn’t Machado bern pretty clear that he ain’t playing third base? It might’ve been interesting to see what happened if a team like the Indians picked him up and told him to play third base. I’m not sure I’d want to give up a big package for a guy who might show up pissed off. You’d hope he’d be preofessional but he’s been emphatic about his desire to stay at shortstop

I think he said he didn't care for this year, but wants to be a SS long term. But, I'm sure an extra $20M can cure him of that desire.

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