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Thursday, December 27, 2012

Marc Maturo: What Time of Year is it? It’s Hall of Fame Time

Shot WWI deserters! A Pete Rose write-in! A HOF ballot! Marc Maturo ties it all together…as I tie myself off.

In this atmosphere, I would rather stress the arguments that minimize Rose’s guilt and maximize his offsetting contributions to the game. Let’s face it, aside from me and a handful of other purists, nobody gives a tinker’s damn about the integrity of the championship or whether the regular season means anything. Certainly not the fans, the great mugs who pay the freight. They just want to see the locals stay in with a chance for as long as possible. And for this cheap thrill they’re prepared to put up with blizzard baseball and any other preposterousness MLB can milk them for.

...Some time in Purgatory seems in order. But should this overturn his entire good example as a player and everything he did in good faith on the field for more than 20 years? His sin as an insider trader set against his saintliness as a player? Must we choose between them? What is it they say, “Condemn the sin and forgive the sinner?” Whatever baseball may mean, if anything, Pete Rose gave a lot and added a lot to it as a player.

Why do we watch, why do we pay, why do we care? There isn’t any one answer to these questions, so there isn’t any one answer to the Petey-boy question, either. A consensus has to be reached. But consensus changes too over time, like all those soldiers who were shot for desertion in WWI and then decades later completely exonerated. They may be exonerated, but they’re still dead as far as I know.

The Rose case isn’t so drastic, but it’s not completely dissimilar. He’s only been ostracized, or if you will, excommunicated. But for as long as he stays that way, it’s perhaps a kind of ritual execution. The time for his exoneration will probably come too. Perhaps it has?

Repoz Posted: December 27, 2012 at 02:02 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 27, 2012 at 02:51 AM (#4332796)
the names of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were checked on my ballot, in addition to four others


... I don't think he even says who the four others are. Or maybe he did and I missed it.
   2. bobm Posted: December 27, 2012 at 08:21 AM (#4332821)
[1] The comments to TFA say they will post an image of the author's ballot.
   3. Lassus Posted: December 27, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4332828)
NONE OF YOU ARE LIKE ME. WHY ARE YOU IN MY COOL BAR THAT USED TO BE COOL?
   4. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 27, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4332839)
The banning of Pete Rose remains farcical and comically pious.
   5. LargeBill Posted: December 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4332845)
4. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 27, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4332839)
The banning of Pete Rose remains farcical and comically pious.


Huh? How so?
   6. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4332846)
The banning of Pete Rose remains farcical and comically pious.


Because gambling on the game has never been a problem for baseball and we should all be able to look past Pete Rose's minor infractions in that light.

I am willing to look past the fact he is a terrible person (because there are plenty of those in the HOF and athletes are not role models) but he broke the rule that can't be broken. The fact he has no remorse or any sort of self awareness is just icing on the cake.
   7. Lassus Posted: December 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4332848)
Huh? How so?

Because SBB said so. Just please leave it at that.
   8. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM (#4332853)
but he broke the rule that can't be broken.

It doesn't get more comically pious than this.

Rose is also being shunned in great part because he's an uncultured prole, a compellingly odious social trend of the last couple decades. I assume everyone understands that when celebrities "apologize" and "repent" and "show remorse," it's almost always a choreographed act -- and that Rose's "failures" to go through the act are therefore indicatitive of absolutely nothing of substance.
   9. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: December 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4332858)
Rose is also being shunned in great part because he's an uncultured prole, a compellingly odious social trend of the last couple decades


Yeah, this sort of thing never happened in the good ol' days.
   10. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 27, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4332861)
Rose is also being shunned in great part because he's an uncultured prole, a compellingly odious social trend of the last couple decades.


Baseball is full of uncultured proles. Other than Rose, how many are being shunned?
   11. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: December 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4332904)
Rose's saintliness as a ballplayer? Is he just speaking incredibly figuratively? I don't think even the sportwriters who carried his water pre-scandal would have accepted that epithet of "saintly player" for Rose. Probably, they would have bristled at it.
   12. John Northey Posted: December 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4332906)
Gambling has always been the biggest sin in baseball - at least since 1920. Shoeless Joe Jackson (and the rest) were found not-guilty in court but were banned none-the-less. Jackson and Eddie Cicotte were HOF cailbre players who were kicked out never to be allowed into MLB or the HOF. A clear sign is in all MLB clubhouses (from what I've read) stating what the penalty is for gambling on the game. In the early 80's both Mays and Mantle were banned from MLB due to working with a casino. This stuff was painfully obvious to all fans and players yet somehow Rose felt he didn't need to follow those rules. I find it amazing that some writers still fight for Rose even after Rose has shown he has no idea what he did that was so wrong.
   13. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4332958)
Rose is also being shunned in great part because he's an uncultured prole, a compellingly odious social trend of the last couple decades. I assume everyone understands that when celebrities "apologize" and "repent" and "show remorse," it's almost always a choreographed act -- and that Rose's "failures" to go through the act are therefore indicatitive of absolutely nothing of substance.


The problem is that Rose had a ton of naive and gullible supporters, and when Rose came clean these people were embarrassed and were shown to be the fools that Rose played them for.

It wasn't going to matter _how_ he came clean, whether he went through the approved choreographed steps or not.

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