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Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Cowherd: Robinson Cano plays harder for the Dominican Republic

Must rifle through 45 boxes for The Herd’s “Here Comes the Fool”.

“Robinson Cano plays a lot harder in those [WBC] games than he does for the Yankees,” Colin Cowherd said on his ESPN Radio show Wednesday.

I like Cowherd’s show a lot. I’m a guest on it sometimes, but I think Cowherd has it completely wrong on Cano.

Colin was making a larger point about how the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico cared more about the WBC than the United States. I agree with Colin on that one. Winning that tournament means more to those islands than it does to the United States.

But did Cano play harder for this country than he does for the Yankees? I didn’t see it. I don’t see it.

I think Cano plays hard most of the time. With a larger amount of games for his country, there would be times where the same lapses we see on occasion in the Bronx would pop up. Cano has great pride in his country, but also in his pinstripes.

Repoz Posted: March 20, 2013 at 01:55 PM | 68 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. hee came hee seop'd he choi'd Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:28 PM (#4392650)
cowherd is the master of casual racism
   2. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:35 PM (#4392657)
Once again, my decision to stop listening to his show is validated.
   3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4392660)
I like Cowherd’s show a lot

that tells me everything I need to know
   4. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4392668)
that tells me everything I need to know


Yes. Parsed, it means "I'm an idiot, & nothing I have to say could conceivably be worthwhile."
   5. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4392679)
If Cowherd didn't have a radio show, he'd be a message board troll.

PS -- Just heard a quick blurb on the (non-sports) radio. They said Jeter has discomfort in his surgically-repaired ankle and has to stay off it for another 2 weeks. Anyone else hear this? If true, it's getting almost as dangerous to be a Yankee as it is/was to be a Grateful Dead keyboardist...
   6. Kurt Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4392683)
I need more information. Did Cano, at any point during the WBC, do the Dougie?
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4392689)
Just off the top of my head he's stolen material from a Univ. of Michigan football blog, he got his listeners to overwhelm a website and crash it (Big Lead or Awful Announcing I think) and after some football player was shot to death he basically said it was the player's fault for being a thug.

This is what ESPN employs.
   8. The Good Face Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4392691)
Sigh. Cano's averaged 160 games played per season over the last 6 years. He's basically an ironman who shows up for work every day and performs at a very high level. It's not even like he was an overly hyped uber-prospect who, while good, hasn't lived up to his billing. If anything Cano's been an overachiever based on early scouting reports about him. The whole Cano=lazy narrative is about as dumb as sports commentary can get.
   9. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4392692)
They said Jeter has discomfort in his surgically-repaired ankle and has to stay off it for another 2 weeks. Anyone else hear this?


Yup. Not so much the specifics about staying off it but Nick Cafardo said there was a setback of sorts and that Opening Day was in doubt.
   10. SG Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:54 PM (#4392699)
Jeter supposedly got a cortisone shot today. From what I've read they are asking him to stay off the ankle for a few days. I've seen nothing about weeks.
   11. Spectral Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:56 PM (#4392702)
I'm amazed that trolling can be so lucrative, but people like Cowherd and Skip Bayless repeatedly demonstrate that it is. I think I've chosen the wrong career.
   12. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 20, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4392705)
Come on, this is an article appearing on an ESPN Web site about an ESPN host. What did you expect him to say, that the host is horrible?

-- MWE
   13. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4392709)
He probably could've stopped a bit short of the "I like the show a lot" foreplay move without offending his employers.
   14. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4392722)
The whole Cano=lazy narrative is about as dumb as sports commentary can get.

The last, and only time I can think of, Cano not putting in full effort was at the end of his lost 2008, when he got benched for not running something out. The guy has been a model player, and a great player, ever since, and he's one of the most entertaining in the game to watch. The only way someone calls him lazy is if they simply aren't watching him play.
   15. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4392725)
Marchand does nothing for me, either. He's this generation's Jim Ogle...
   16. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4392741)
He probably could've stopped a bit short of the "I like the show a lot" foreplay move without offending his employers.


I dunno. Bill Simmons said "If you don't like First Take, don't watch it", and got suspended for it.
   17. Randy Jones Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4392751)
Cowherd is a racist and an idiot. The fact that he is still employed is a sad statement about the current state of ESPN.
   18. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4392767)
So if Cano wasn't so lazy, he'd be what, Rogers Hornsby?
   19. Eric Ferguson Posted: March 20, 2013 at 03:42 PM (#4392769)
I listened to the old-school Tony Kornheiser radio show back in the day. When Cowherd replaced him, I gave him a shot. That lasted about five minutes.
   20. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4392804)
Once again, my decision to stop listening to his show is validated.
In 2005 or around then he said on his radio show that Derek Jeter was easily the best player in baseball.
   21. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4392807)
Looks like Jeter will have some reduced range this season.
   22. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4392812)
Cowhead used to fellate Michael Vick shamefully, but I assume that stopped several years ago. Haven't listened to himn since probably before my morning commute hours changed in mid-2006.
   23. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4392813)
In 2005 or around then he said on his radio show that Derek Jeter was easily the best player in baseball.


It's different if the sound at the end of the word is "'a". not "er". Are you sure you were listening correctly?
   24. Gamingboy Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4392821)
I saw somewhere that apparently NYC radio is filled today with people saying that Latinos are lazy unless they are playing for their country.

Ah, sports talk, the lowest common denominator of dummies...
   25. Bug Selig Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4392824)
I listen to the local stuff because there are fairly frequent "You heard it here first" moments. All the national stuff is physically painful.
   26. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4392828)
If Cowherd's show didn't exist, half the people on this site would complain about not being able to complain about him, and the other half would go complain about something else.

I'm not sure which half I'm in.

   27. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4392829)
I saw somewhere that apparently NYC radio is filled today with people saying that Latinos are lazy unless they are playing for their country.


I'm not sure why it was brought up, but Jim Kaat mentioned on a play by Cano that he appears lazy because he's graceful in the field. I'm not sure if that was brought up by a) other people alleging Cano is lazy or appears lazy; or b) Kaat's belief that Cano looked lazy in the field during that game.
   28. Eric Ferguson Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4392870)
A lot of people think I'm graceful, but really I'm just lazy.
   29. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:44 PM (#4392875)
A lot of people think I'm graceful, but really I'm just lazy.


My cats are both.
   30. depletion Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4392901)
I'm not lazy. I'm efficient. No wasted motion, and sometimes no motion at all. I mean 75% of the time if you just sit there calmly during a crisis, after a while it will just go away by itself.
   31. SteveM. Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4392910)
I can!t stand him but my standards are not high. I listen to Paul Finebaum.
   32. micker17 Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4392915)
I watch a lot of Yankee games, and I don't recall seeing Cano bust it down the line.

When he's out on a routine groundout, he's out by anywhere from 5 to 20 feet. When Jeter is out on the same routine groundout, he's out by a micro step. And sometimes Jeter even beats the throw.

None of this will show up by studying advanced metrics.

Cano often does appear as if he's not really trying. Now I'm not Proffessor X so I can't say that he is actually lazy, but no one who watches Yankee games would confuse Cano with Pete Rose.

P.S. Yes, I am aware that Cano is well on his way to 3000 hits and a HOF career.

   33. micker17 Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:03 PM (#4392921)
   34. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4392933)
When he's out on a routine groundout, he's out by anywhere from 5 to 20 feet. When Jeter is out on the same routine groundout, he's out by a micro step. And sometimes Jeter even beats the throw.


I agree with that but I will say that I've also never seen Cano fail to take a base he could take. For example, last night Hanley Ramirez was rightly chastised by Jim Kaat for loafing on a base hit that should have been a double, I don't remember ever seeing Cano do that.

The other thing in your example is that Cano is just slower than Jeter. He's not a burner so even if he's flying down the line he's going to be out by more than Jeter on an identical play.
   35. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4392944)
Jim Kaat mentioned on a play by Cano that he appears lazy because he's graceful in the field.

Andruw Jones syndrome. Andruw was another guy who did nothing but show up everyday and produce and was rewarded with the 'lazy' tag. People simply suck.
   36. JE (Jason) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4392946)
Cowherd is a moron but has a voice tailor-made for radio.
   37. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4392948)
I can!t stand him but my standards are not high. I listen to Paul Finebaum.


When & where? I haven't checked lately, but Finebaum's been off the air for contract-related reasons (i.e. he refused to reup with WJOX, I think it was, in Birmingham) for a couple of months now & AFAIK has another month to go till his noncompete (or the equivalent therof) is up.
   38. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:25 PM (#4392958)
Cowherd is a moron but has a voice tailor-made for radio.


This has probably been mentioned a million times before, but Cowherd and most other radio hosts I've heard just say the same thing over and over again in (sometimes) different ways. Just listen to Cowherd one morning. He has like three total topics, maybe 18 total points to be made, and it takes him 3 hours to do it.

Andruw Jones syndrome. Andruw was another guy who did nothing but show up everyday and produce and was rewarded with the 'lazy' tag. People simply suck.
   36. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: M


I wonder if there's a correlation between having a pudgy face and being judged lazy (like a fat, spoiled child). In my humble opinion, Jones and Ramirez both have pudgy faces. I don't think I could say the same about Cano.

I have no opinion whether any of the above, or any other player, is actually lazy.
   39. winnipegwhip Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4392966)
31. SteveM. Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4392910)


I can!t stand him but my standards are not high. I listen to Paul Finebaum.


You could be worse. You could be someone who calls into Paul Finebaum.
   40. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: March 20, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4392984)
I agree with that but I will say that I've also never seen Cano fail to take a base he could take. For example, last night Hanley Ramirez was rightly chastised by Jim Kaat for loafing on a base hit that should have been a double, I don't remember ever seeing Cano do that.


Seconded. I was glad when Kaat mentioned that, and that's not the kind of thing Cano's ever been guilty of that I've seen. He probably doesn't run up the line as hard as he can on every ball in play, but that's just smart if it lets him play full seasons.
   41. madvillain Posted: March 20, 2013 at 06:46 PM (#4393046)
Out of over 2300 votes cast on ESPN.com over half the people agree with Cowherd that Cano plays harder for the DR. This is his audience and you'll never go wrong underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
   42. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: March 20, 2013 at 07:20 PM (#4393077)
The one really clever thing that Cowherd has done is to establish a niche for himself as the sports talk guy for the middle-aged professional class. He uses just enough business-speak, motivational-speak and pop psychology to convince his audience that he's more mature than the Jim Romes of the world and thus "grown-ups" can listen to him without shame. At the same time he manages to say little of any value and just panders to their prejudices using bigger words than his rivals that cater to the frat boy crowd. He's the Thomas Friedman of sports entertainment...
   43. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 20, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4393109)
I cannot stand his show. He says "outrageous" things like this to get publicity and have an exciting show. He doesn't really believe it but he says it to be out there.

He also talks football constantly, even in the off season, which I don't want to hear.
   44. hee came hee seop'd he choi'd Posted: March 20, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4393110)
gef the talking mongoose Posted: March 20, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4392812)
Cowhead used to fellate Michael Vick shamefully, but I assume that stopped several years ago. Haven't listened to himn since probably before my morning commute hours changed in mid-2006.


You'll be happy to know all he says about Vick now is endless harping on his poor decision making and inability to read defense. ie: hes dumb.
   45. Walt Davis Posted: March 20, 2013 at 08:35 PM (#4393128)
I've never been clear ... is it pronounced cow-herd or coward?

Both seem appropriate.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 20, 2013 at 09:22 PM (#4393166)
Cano = MVP-caliber player. No complaints. Cowherd is just trolling for ratings.
   47. SteveM. Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:28 AM (#4393325)
I should have said I listened to Finebaum. Honesty compels at admit being an Alabama grad stuck in the Northeast so Finebaum in XM is a guilty pleasure because other then baseball, SEC football is what I am passionate about in sports. Plus, I miss white trash. Finebaum is like an episode of Cops in where the dregs of humanity have their 15 minutes.
   48. bigglou115 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:54 AM (#4393330)
Andruw Jones syndrome. Andruw was another guy who did nothing but show up everyday and produce and was rewarded with the 'lazy' tag. People simply suck.


In fairness, the end for Andruw in Atlanta wasn't entirely on the fans. He may have gotten tagged lazy by some before, but most people where willing to live with it. Then he started falling apart. Atlanta fans saw it, nobody was really that sad to see him go. He'd strike down falling to his knees four times in a game, and smile on the way back to the dugout each time. When asked if he considered taking a more balanced swing he'd respond, "I'm a pull hitter, its what I do and what I've always done." Which was obviously untrue.

Andruw's demise could only have been one of a couple of things. 1) He ate himself out of playing shape, 2) He refused to believe his critics when his play started deteriorating, 3) He didn't care that he was getting worse, 4) He was 2-4 years older when he broke in, (putting his collapse after 30 and giving his career arc an entire new perspective)
   49. Walt Davis Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:05 AM (#4393334)
In fairness, the end for Andruw in Atlanta wasn't entirely on the fans.

Also young Andruw got yanked rather infamously mid-game by Cox for dogging it on a play. That did seem to get the point across and I don't know that you could say he ever dogged it after that, but obviously Cox felt the point needed making.
   50. RollingWave Posted: March 21, 2013 at 05:21 AM (#4393341)
I took a listen and I think his greater point is that players , even US players, care about this game a lot more than the US fans, which is a totally correct observation. the teams' reaction in that game was every bit as close to World Series like as it got, and ratings in their respective countries easily crushed any WS viewing rates in the past many decades.

I'd hazard a guess that at some point before the next WBC USA players will come out in some way/shape or form and at least indirectly criticize the "I don't care about the WBC" type MLB fans.

On Cano, yeah the lazy tag is stupid reflection of how easy he makes most plays look (and that he's a pretty bad runner for a middle infielder) . but it's not entirely untrue that Cano cared at least as much for the WBC as the World Series, which would obviously mean he'll look like he's playing harder than the vast majority of times in the regular season too.

Let's flip this the other way around, would anyone in their right minds say "Cano obviously care more about the playoffs than the regular seasons" as a criticism?

   51. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 07:30 AM (#4393355)
A local news/sports radio station used to carry Blue Jays games from the FAN 590 feed, and sometimes if I'd have to hear Cowherd for 30 seconds or so after the post-game ended and ESPN came on, before I could get to the volume button. He's one of those people that you immediately hate within a few seconds of him opening his mouth.
   52. Sunday silence Posted: March 21, 2013 at 07:45 AM (#4393357)
When he's out on a routine groundout, he's out by anywhere from 5 to 20 feet. When Jeter is out on the same routine groundout, he's out by a micro step. And sometimes Jeter even beats the throw. None of this will show up by studying advanced metrics.



reached base on error/AB, for career:

Cano 1.0%
Jeter 1.7%

So yeah, you may have something there. Not that it doesnt show up in stats though.

On the advanced baserunning, both Cano and Jeter score an excellent 45% at XB or advancing one more base than batter.
   53. micker17 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 08:30 AM (#4393370)
I guess % of reaching base on an error could corelate with hustle. Interesting stat, thanks for the research.

   54. The District Attorney Posted: March 21, 2013 at 08:47 AM (#4393376)
I guess % of reaching base on an error could corelate with hustle.
More likely, with hitting groundballs to SS/3B rather than 2B/1B.
   55. Sunday silence Posted: March 21, 2013 at 09:28 AM (#4393394)
I dont think so, you see a strong correlation with speedy runners. Check out all the slow guys you like and should see them all around 1% or less. Guys like Triandos, Boccabella, etc. About the highest I recall is a little bit over 2%. Clemente was near the top, I think he was ahead of Willie Mays who was awesome at everything.

Also the pt. about hitting balls to the left side has an obvious counter, right hand batters who hit balls to the left side also have longer to get to first base. I dont recall seeing any obvious lefty/righty splits in this data, but I didnt do a systematic study.

in my opinion, it seems obvious. That speedier runners are going to have more close plays at first. Doesnt that stand to reason? More close plays at first are going to result in being safe on close plays. Being safe on a close play, might be a hit, might be an error. But at least it will be a positive increase in reaching base on error. If the ball beats you by 10 steps then there's a lot more chance for the first baseman to recover on a juggling catch or a wide throw. It just seems this way to me,perhaps you have another way to look at it?
   56. Sunday silence Posted: March 21, 2013 at 09:33 AM (#4393397)
He also talks football constantly, even in the off season, which I don't want to hear.


They all do this. Right now we have march madness and baseball about to start and instead I have to listen to radio guys in DC talking about the financical penalty the Redskins took for getting around the salary cap. WHy is this in the news? Because the owners are having their annual convention in wherever and the sports writers are there looking for stories to keep us interested in football in the offseason. "Oh did you hear what the Giants owner said about the skins? Arent you outraged?"
   57. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 21, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4393401)
I think the bigger issue is going to be the style of hitter. According to FanGraphs Cano has hit a ground ball 48% of the time in his career, Jeter has done so 58% of the time. I assume that a very high percentage of ROE are going to be on ground balls and Jeter hits more ground balls than Cano so the ROE/AB percentage Sunday Silence referenced in #52 is immediately going to be tilted in Jeter's favor if everything else is equal.

To throw some numbers at this I used a 600 at bat season. In such a season Jeter would reach on an error 10 times while Cano would reach 6 times. However, if you assume that all ROE (simplistic of course) are on GB then Jeter is reaching on an error in 10 of 348 chances (600*.58) for a rate of 2.9% while Cano is reaching at a rate of 2.1% (6 of 288 chances). This accounts for a bit less than half the difference if my thinking and process is right. Using at bats as the denominator Jeter reaches on an error 70% more often than Cano, using ground balls as the denominator it's about 38% more often.
   58. Benji Posted: March 21, 2013 at 09:42 AM (#4393404)
Like a previous poster, I liked Kornheiser's show and hoped Cowherd would be good. Like many previous posters I hated him in a few minutes. I still remember him going on and on that Ohio State would beat Texas by 50 points, because there were no starting QBs in the NFL from the Big 12. Of course, Texas won and he was "too sick" to do the show on Monday.

The state of sports radio is sad. You have Francesa, who thinks you're wonderful if you agree with him. Steve Sommers, who makes you want to throw the radio out the window, and the Dan Patrick name-dropping festival. And they are better than the rest.
   59. SG Posted: March 21, 2013 at 09:50 AM (#4393414)
I think the bigger issue is going to be the style of hitter. According to FanGraphs Cano has hit a ground ball 48% of the time in his career, Jeter has done so 58% of the time. I assume that a very high percentage of ROE are going to be on ground balls and Jeter hits more ground balls than Cano so the ROE/AB percentage Sunday Silence referenced in #52 is immediately going to be tilted in Jeter's favor if everything else is equal.


All true, although Cano being a LHB has a half-step advantage on getting down to first which could have an impact as well.

I also wonder if you'd want to include infield singles, not just ROE.
   60. Ron J2 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4393437)
#55 Tom Ruane has aa research paper on the subject. Here's the guys who topped the list (1960-2004)

]Name               Outs  Err    GO%   FO%   SO%   ExErr   ErrF
Derek Jeter        3859  114   47.0  27.9  25.2    66.9  1.705
Otis Nixon         3831  124   51.3  30.6  18.1    73.4  1.689
Manny Mota         2631   93   55.7  32.7  11.6    59.8  1.556
Rey Sanchez        3627  102   51.9  34.2  13.9    66.7  1.529
Mickey Stanley     3855  127   47.9  37.5  14.6    83.5  1.520
Bob Horner         2781   89   37.1  44.5  18.4    58.7  1.516
Rondell White      3276   91   42.7  32.7  24.5    60.6  1.502
Joe Girardi        3131   89   48.9  31.7  19.4    59.3  1.500
Wil Cordero        3131   85   36.9  38.8  24.3    58.5  1.453
Willie McGee       5471  161   53.6  23.8  22.6   111.8  1.440
Stan Javier        3794  102   45.8  32.1  22.1    71.5  1.427
Greg Gross         2743   86   52.8  38.1   9.1    60.5  1.422
Cesar Tovar        4130  126   45.1  45.0   9.9    89.8  1.403
Jose Vizcaino      3816  102   48.5  33.8  17.7    72.8  1.402
Deivi Cruz         2916   71   46.6  39.8  13.5    50.7  1.400
Chad Curtis        3039   77   39.7  38.0  22.2    55.1  1.397
Miguel Tejada      3122   75   41.4  38.9  19.7    53.8  1.394
Gary Disarcina     2876   72   52.2  37.1  10.6    51.9  1.389
Scott Fletcher     4029  108   48.4  38.2  13.4    77.8  1.388
Roberto Clemente   4526  146   54.0  25.4  20.6   105.7  1.381 


Where
       
Outs  number of outs made
       Err   
number of times reached on errors
       GO
%   - percentage of outs that were ground balls
       FO
%   - percentage of outs that were fly balls
       SO
%   - percentage of outs that were strikeouts
       ExErr 
expected number of errors based on league rates
       ErrF  
error factor (Err ExErr


And the lowest:

Name               Outs  Err    GO%   FO%   SO%   ExErr   ErrF
Darren Daulton     2792   29   30.6  43.4  26.0    56.2  0.516
Mike Lowell        2264   21   28.5  50.7  20.8    40.5  0.519
Jim Gentile        2169   25   32.7  37.0  30.2    48.2  0.519
Mo Vaughn          3957   37   32.5  31.3  36.1    70.8  0.523
Mike Epstein       2180   25   31.1  39.4  29.6    46.6  0.537
Ernie Whitt        2893   33   38.6  44.4  17.0    57.6  0.573
Bobby Murcer       4967   62   34.3  48.7  16.9   107.0  0.579
Bernie Carbo       2036   26   38.7  31.4  29.9    44.6  0.582
Henry Rodriguez    2272   26   27.8  36.9  35.3    44.1  0.589
Jim Dwyer          2101   26   31.5  49.4  19.1    43.6  0.596
Darrin Fletcher    2918   34   38.1  48.3  13.7    55.5  0.613
Greg Walker        2143   26   36.3  39.5  24.3    42.4  0.613
Carlos Delgado     3656   39   30.3  35.7  34.0    63.5  0.614
Franklin Stubbs    2027   25   27.8  41.3  30.9    40.5  0.617
Sid Bream          2353   30   38.3  42.5  19.1    48.3  0.622
Jason Giambi       3408   37   29.7  43.5  26.9    59.1  0.626
Ken Henderson      3440   48   36.0  41.8  22.2    76.3  0.629
Andy Van Slyke     4222   55   35.6  39.2  25.2    86.5  0.636
Jeromy Burnitz     3617   42   29.8  37.2  33.0    65.8  0.638
Boog Powell        5004   70   39.7  35.8  24.5   108.7  0.644 


Tom did take it further. finding that park and base/out situation had provable impacts. He also eliminated the "fielder's choice, no out recorded"

At the end of it he was left with Gene Tenace, Bob Horner, Glenn Hubbard, Rusty Greer, Wil Cordero, Rondell White, Reggie Sanders, Otis Nixon, Jimmy Wynn, Alex Rodriguez, Robbie Thompson and Greg Vaughn topping the list for reaching on error.

And Tim Foli, Mo Vaughn, Larry Herndon and Dick Groat as the least likely to reach on error.

He did demonstrate that speed mattered, but it's pretty clear the single most important factor is being right-handed. IOW it's completely predictable that Jeter would reach on error more frequently than Cano. He's faster, but more important he's right-handed.



   61. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4393449)
The state of sports radio is sad. You have Francesa, who thinks you're wonderful if you agree with him. Steve Sommers, who makes you want to throw the radio out the window, and the Dan Patrick name-dropping festival. And they are better than the rest.


As I've noted before, the audio on my car stereo went out in late September when a guy gave me a jump-start but initially cross-connected the cables. (I'm lucky that's all that happened; the guy at the car parts place where I went after that to get a new battery told me that there was every good chance the other guy had fried his alternator.) I haven't listened to 5 minutes of sports (or any other) radio since, & while that can be inconvenient at times, I think overall my quality of life has improved considerably. Throw in the fact that I also don't get cable or the local newspaper (they fired me as metro editor, so I'm not about to give them 1 red cent of my money), & it's almost like I'm living in a noise-free zone.

Which I sometimes think is why I come to BTF -- for the noise.
   62. SoSH U at work Posted: March 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4393450)
He did demonstrate that speed mattered, but it's pretty clear the single most important factor is being right-handed. IOW it's completely predictable that Jeter would reach on error more frequently than Cano. He's faster, but more important he's right-handed.


The flip side to the righthanders' edge in ROE is they also tend to compile more GIDP. Jeter, for instance, is 20th all-time in GIDP with 269.

Cano, however, hits into a lot of double plays as well, with more than 3X as many GIDP as he has ROE.

Their teammate, Ichiro, was one of the types who combined the best of both worlds, with far more ROE (112) than GIDP (69). However, the numbers indicate he's lost a step, as he's grounded into 22 DP while only reaching on error 14 times in the last two seasons, removing him from the rarified group of players with a ROE:GIDP ratio that exceeded 2:1 (I don't know how many others beside Brett Butler populate this club. I don't know how many other people besides me are aware of its existence).

   63. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:21 AM (#4393473)
It's easy and correct to trash Cowherd. How anyone can listen to him for 5 minutes and not realize that he is the master of extreme views designed to elicit a response is beyond me. But I'd rather light a candle than curse the darkness.

ESPN's weekend late night guy Bob Valvano is, to my ears, the best national sports radio host. Insightful, incisive and fairhanded, he doesn't need to resort to the cheap gimmicks used by Cowherd and his ilk. I don't recall him ever taking a cheap shot. Plus, his show is fun. I wish he did "straight" talk radio.
   64. dr. scott Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM (#4393521)
I knew a guy in elementary and high school named Colin cowherd back in early 80's north east Atlanta. We both had a crush on the Same girl who's last name was Aldendorfer. I always thought I had a better shot as my last name was not cowherd. Never worked out too well though.
   65. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4393611)
Which I sometimes think is why I come to BTF -- for the noise.


You're welcome.
   66. Kurt Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4393680)
They all do this. Right now we have march madness and baseball about to start and instead I have to listen to radio guys in DC talking about the financical penalty the Redskins took for getting around the salary cap.

Yesterday afternoon the DC sports station, at 5:00 in the afternoon, spent a good 30-45 minutes discussing possible ways to fix the Pro Bowl. The Pro Bowl!
   67. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4393696)
Andruw's demise could only have been one of a couple of things. 1) He ate himself out of playing shape, 2) He refused to believe his critics when his play started deteriorating, 3) He didn't care that he was getting worse, 4) He was 2-4 years older when he broke in, (putting his collapse after 30 and giving his career arc an entire new perspective)

How about 5) His body could only take playing 150+ games a year, regardless of health, for ten years and, in the eleventh, all that playing hurt caught up with him.
   68. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: March 22, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4394456)
Cowhead has proclaimed more than once that he's not particularly interested in baseball and doesn't care about it, which is more than enough for me not to listen to him, even before we get to the idiocy and latent racism.

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