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The AL East is being decimated by injuries.
Whoever hit that ball should have his children taken away.
It was Jayson Nix, newly recalled from AAA due to Chavez's injury.
And he makes an immediate impact!
Then they have to watch from getting hit with fly balls from BP as they're tending to him.
Whatever, he's a near 100% unanimous first-ballot HOFer even if is. But I'm praying it won't be.
This is like that HIMYM episode where everything depended on everything else.
Who hit the liner down the 3B line that Chavez hurt himself diving after? He should have HIS children taken away.
Aside from that, agree with [3] and all the non-Yankee fans agreeing with it. If this is it, incredibly shitty way for a guy to go out who, if nothing else, deserves immense respect from fans of every team.
I also hope that's the next win the Yankees get.
EDIT: And I'll add my voice to those who hope this isn't the way it ends for Mariano. One of the truly classy gentlemen in the game.
Or it could mean he has a broken neck.
Question: I know TBS games can't ignore local blackouts, I'm 99% sure Sunday Night Baseball does...has MLB Network always had superceding rights? They seem to right now but I thought in the past they couldn't.
Local blackouts in what way? It seems like they don't air local games (e.g. Red Sox games in Boston) but they can do live look-ins and stuff like that. I don't know how they deal with non-local local stuff (e.g. Angel games in Hawaii or stupid stuff like that). I assume it's their rule so they can do whatever the hell they want.
The streak of overdoing even great Yankees players remains unbroken (well, since Babe Ruth, anyway)
I think there is absolutely a case for him. The Yankees really don't have a superstar pitcher in their history. Ford is probably the guy who is best and while he earned his Hall of Fame plaque he doesn't have outrageous numbers. It's not a perfect metric of course but Rivera is the club's all time leader in Pitcher WAR;
Mo - 56.3
Ford - 55.3
Ruffing - 49.7
Guidry - 44.4
Gomez - 43.2
Pettitte - 42.4
I'm not saying he is or he isn't but at first blush I don't think the case would be especially hard to make.
I know he's been talking about retiring seemingly forever (wasn't he going to become a priest at one point?), but I don't think Rivera will hang 'em up as long as he is still performing at a high level. An injury like this--although I'm not convinced it's that bad yet--or simple ineffectiveness was probably the only thing that would ever cause him to retire.
This news is very disturbing. Meredith Marakovits was Comcast SportsNet's 76ers sideline reporter as recently as... it has to be less than a month ago that I stopped watching 76ers games because the team suddenly quit. What is this ... how could this happen? Damn Yankees get whatever they want.
I think if you read the statement as, "Mariano Rivera is the best starter in Yankee history," that might be a pretty hard case.
where's TommyinCT, let's have the "Guidry is an ironclad HOFer" discussion again!
Jokes aside, and like many others here who are most definitely NOT Yankee fans, but.... massive bummer for Mo. Dude is clearly a class act and deserves a better finish.
Take note Red Sox doctors. An MRI is being done immediatly.
He should end his career by giving up a game-winning hit to the Orioles, as he has so many times before.
Yeah, I never get the wanting to delay MRIs thing... I mean, I understand that swelling sometimes has to go down before you do one, but while MRIs aren't cheap (probably $5,000-$10,000 on average), they're hardly expensive when you take into account you're often doing them on $10-$20 million players.
He'd hinted at it. He'd said that he was probably going to make a decision by the All-Star break.
I had thought that Mo's retirement talk was mostly a bargaining tactic but who really knows.
I'm hoping for a bit o' wrench and a missed week or two...and I say that as someone who yelps with every Yankee out and cringes at every interlocking-NY win.
Here in New York they're covering this as though an airliner with 200 children just plowed into a mountainside.
He certainly didn't show it tonight.
Nah, I shouldn't talk like that. I genuinely hope Rivera comes back by the All-Star break.... then posts an ERA over 6 with a dozen blown saves, leading the Yankees to a fourth-place finish.
why exactly are relief pitchers even shagging flies like this, I know everybody does it and they are really screwing around, but it seems pretty careless whether this happened or not.
It's not really bothering me all that much. I'm not a Yankees fan either, but I'd be more affected if it were Jeter or ARod.
People have really over-inflated Rivera's greatness. Yes, on a per-inning basis he's unbelievable, but he doesn't pitch that many innings.
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Let's frame this and see how it looks in October, 2012. Nobody knows, but I've got a definite gut feeling. And it ain't gut for the Yankees.
This sucks.
I hope he's ok.
I imagine that this is probably the end of his career.
It'll be interesting to see how Girardi does managing a bullpen without a sure thing at the back end to bail him out.
It's a silly way to get hurt.
First Chamberlain practically snaps his foot off.
Then Pineda hurts his shoulder.
And now Rivera hurts his knee shagging fly balls, which he's done without incident since 1991.
I wouldn't argue otherwise. I just like the fact that after all these years, all these games, he still enjoys going out and running down fly balls before games. I like baseball players who like playing the game of baseball.
I mean, this is worse than faltering with blown saves before getting benched or just petering out? Because if we're going with Alien Cyborg vs. Father Time, I'll take Father Time, and win. I think Rivera has been magic to watch, but as a fan, I don't think this is worse than a decline phase. Because if he didn't have one, well, he'd be the first.
According to the Yahoo article all pitchers are required to shag fly balls. So apparently his manager and GM are fully on board.
There have been more than a handful of BP injuries the last couple of years and it seems like most of them have been to pitchers.
i was about to mention that (unfortunately for some of us) they have a guy who hasn't let up a run in 25 innings and who strikes out the world...
Not hard to see this as the final straw in sending Hughes back to short relief where he dominated in 2009. He just doesn't have the ability to succeed as a starting pitcher, and now there's a need in the bullpen too.
Maybe. But I think there should be a new way to rate relievers.
How bout WPA? Last year it would have been Robertson, Rivera, and Sabathia in that order.
War overrates all relievers.
era+ is fine, provided that you look at more than just the rate stat.
I suppose the best Yankee fans can hope for is that Mo pulls a Chipper and decides he'd rather come back on his own terms for his retirement. My hunch is that he decides that he was going to go anyway, and this is just nature's way of accelerating the process.
Ray Chapman?
This is insane.
Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, and DiMaggio.
Which of those guys is Rivera better than?
Mister Steinbrenner, tear down this wall!!
That said, as much as any team can afford to lose someone like him, the Yankees are ready. Robertson is great and they have gotten great contributions from the rest of the 'pen so far this year. Soriano can earn his money. A worse injury for the Yankees would be Sabathia, or Jeter.
I enjoyed this - 'season changing!' immediately followed by 'the Yankees will still be fine'
Does Vince Coleman getting attacked by the tarp count?
Considering what Rivera did in the post-season, I'd argue that WAR et al underrate him.
A.J. Burnett hitting himself in the face during bunting practise?
Wasn't there some player that got hit in the face (through the netting) while leaning up against the batting cage?
"Potentially"
"As much as any team can afford to lose someone like him"
These are important parts of Erik's post that change what you paraphrased it as into what he actually said.
You're assuming he means pure on-field baseball value. He means as a person. As a representative of the Yankees, I'd take Rivera over DiMaggio and possibly Mantle. Character-wise, he represents what you want your franchise to be better than anyone but Gehrig.
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