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Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Marine Colonel Jokes About Killing Roy Halladay

That’s it…I’m turning in my Junior AMVETS badge!

Since it’s Marine Week in St. Louis - a chance for the military to show its might and stage a giant PR event near one of the most impoverished cities in America, East St. Louis - several hundred military folk were at last night’s Phillies - Cardinals game… including Colonel Shane Tomko and Sergeant Nicole Tannahill.

Our military does many fine things, and words can’t fully express our gratitude. Every round of applause and standing ovation is more than deserved. However, spending over 25 years in the service can skew one’s worldview, which is exactly what seems to have happened to Col. Tomko, who joked about killing Roy Halladay with a tank:

  Col. Tomko: I’ll tell you what, with that M1A1 Abrams we got across the street, if Halladay keeps on pitching well, we can fix that with one round pretty quickly.

  Announcer: - awkward laughs - I’m sure you could. I don’t know if we should say that, but you just did.

  Col. Tomko: I can say whatever I want because I’m a war fighter, and this is the Cardinals Nation the last time I checked.

Repoz Posted: June 22, 2011 at 02:34 PM | 170 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Anonymous Observer Posted: June 22, 2011 at 02:41 PM (#3859422)
Col. Tomko: I can say whatever I want because I’m a war fighter, and this is the Cardinals Nation the last time I checked.


In what world does this make any sense whatsoever?
   2. JoeHova Posted: June 22, 2011 at 02:42 PM (#3859424)
n/m
   3. AndrewJ Posted: June 22, 2011 at 02:54 PM (#3859443)
If Col. Tomko's aim matches that of the Cardinals' bullpen in the eighth inning last night, Roy Halladay's got nothing to worry about.
   4. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 02:57 PM (#3859446)
More Roy Halladays, fewer "war fighters."
   5. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 22, 2011 at 02:59 PM (#3859449)
If Col. Tomko's aim matches that of the Cardinals' bullpen in the eighth inning last night, Roy Halladay's got nothing to worry about.
that was a truly amazing inning. tonyball at its best.
   6. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:00 PM (#3859450)
jackass
   7. Anonymous Observer Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:01 PM (#3859451)
the Cardinals' bullpen in the eighth inning last night


That was beyond infuriating. I turned the game off after the base hit to make it 5-2. How do you hit 2 batters and walk in 2 runs? Don't get me wrong. The Phillies have some guys in the lineup who can hit the ball a long way. But come on. At least get the ball close to the strike zone.

Looking at what happened after I turned the game off, that's what looks like they started doing. Granted, giving up hit after hit is frustrating. But I'd much rather see that than hitting batters to load the bases and walking in runs. That's just inexcusable.

But, that's the Cardinals 2011 bullpen for you. It's like 2003 all over again.
   8. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:03 PM (#3859452)
Since everyone realizes this was a joke, what is the issue here?
   9. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:05 PM (#3859454)
Col. Tomko: I can say whatever I want because I’m a war fighter, and this is the Cardinals Nation the last time I checked.


In what world does this make any sense whatsoever?


Yeah...I could've laughed it off if he'd taken the piss in his follow-up, but he kinda doubled-down on it, didn't he? Aw heck...I'm laughing it off, anyway.
   10. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:06 PM (#3859457)
There really isn't any issue; it's obviously yet one more thread intended to drive the site's cadre of lefties into an enraged posting frenzy.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:09 PM (#3859460)
How do you hit 2 batters and walk in 2 runs?


Interestingly enough, just one night earlier, Ernesto Frieri walked two guys then HBP'd in two runs in his five-batter stint.

Since everyone realizes this was a joke, what is the issue here?


My thoughts as well. He attempted what was clearly a joke. It didn't work. That doesn't mean his worldview is skewed.
   12. Rally Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:12 PM (#3859465)
In what world does this make any sense whatsoever?


A world where might makes right.
   13. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:15 PM (#3859467)
Interestingly enough, just one night earlier, Ernesto Frieri walked two guys then HBP'd in two runs in his five-batter stint.


Alfredo Aceves walked five consecutive batters in the second inning last night.

Since everyone realizes this was a joke, what is the issue here?


My issue isn't with what he said, it's just that I'm sick and tired of having "U-S-A U-S-A Go Military!" shoved down my throat at every sporting event I attend.
   14. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:15 PM (#3859469)
So Earth then?
   15. TVerik. Old Java Rodney. Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:16 PM (#3859470)
I wonder if the Colonel's first name is "Brett".
   16. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:21 PM (#3859476)
It is possible to simultaneously believe Col. Tomko is a douche who shouldn't have said that and that he is awesome.
   17. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:26 PM (#3859479)
After spending a weekend watching Cardinal broadcasts, I'd just like to say how much I hate the whole "_______ Nation" theme used to describe a fanbase.
   18. Rally Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:28 PM (#3859482)
It is possible to simultaneously believe Col. Tomko is a douche who shouldn't have said that and that he is awesome.


You can have the opinion that what he said was inappropriate, but he's absolutely right he can say whatever he wants. 1. Free speech and all that. 2. I sure don't see anybody volunteering to try and shut him up.
   19. Rally Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:29 PM (#3859484)
After spending a weekend watching Cardinal broadcasts, I'd just like to say how much I hate the whole "_______ Nation" theme used to describe a fanbase.


Me too. Long live the Empire!
   20. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:32 PM (#3859488)
My issue isn't with what he said, it's just that I'm sick and tired of having "U-S-A U-S-A Go Military!" shoved down my throat at every sporting event I attend.


That's just liberals over-compensating their effort to prove that they support the troops.
   21. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:33 PM (#3859490)
After spending a weekend watching Cardinal broadcasts, I'd just like to say how much I hate the whole "_______ Nation" theme used to describe a fanbase.


Did Dan Shaughnessy start this with Red Sox Nation? Or did it start before that?
   22. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:36 PM (#3859494)
Did Dan Shaughnessy start this with Red Sox Nation? Or did it start before that?


"Raider Nation" has been a thing for a long time.
   23. Magnum RA Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:37 PM (#3859495)
Whatever. Oriole Nation supports the troops. It's sad that you hate America.
   24. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:38 PM (#3859498)
I regret that I didn't join BBTF until well after 2003. I bet that was a fun time.
   25. formerly dp Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:40 PM (#3859499)
Oriole Nation

That's the least scary phrase I've heard, ever.
   26. Swedish Chef Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:44 PM (#3859504)
Did Dan Shaughnessy start this with Red Sox Nation? Or did it start before that?

Everybody borrowed it from Aryan Nation.

Yes, I think it is a stupid concept.
   27. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:44 PM (#3859505)
Did Dan Shaughnessy start this with Red Sox Nation? Or did it start before that?

For those in denial, "Yankee Nation" dates back to 1776. Often imitated, never duplicated.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:45 PM (#3859506)

Col. Tomko: I can say whatever I want because I’m a war fighter, and this is the Cardinals Nation the last time I checked.

In what world does this make any sense whatsoever?


Its treason!
   29. Greg K Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:46 PM (#3859507)

"Raider Nation" has been a thing for a long time.

I think you misspelled Rider they did celebrate their centennial anniversary after all. (OK, so that might be fudging things a bit)
   30. bunyon Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:46 PM (#3859508)
Clearly, the colonel can take out Halladay with a tank. There is no question about that. But then what? What is his exit strategy? What I see is many, many long years of team-building of which the colonel has no experience or particular aptitude. He should just surround the stadium and keep Halladay and his supporters isolated from the league.
   31. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:47 PM (#3859509)
That's the least scary phrase I've heard, ever.

I believe Oriole Nation ranks somewhere The Maldives and Vanuatu.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:52 PM (#3859514)
Col. Tomko: I’ll tell you what, with that M1A1 Abrams we got across the street, if Halladay keeps on pitching well, we can fix that with one round pretty quickly.

I think it would actually be pretty hard to hit an individual with a tank cannon. I mean, unless Halladay doesn't notice that they rolled a tank onto the field, and is just standing on the mound.

Now use the .50 cal, and Roy's toast.
   33. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:53 PM (#3859515)
Here is his exit strategy.
   34. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:54 PM (#3859517)
I think it would actually be pretty hard to hit an individual with a tank cannon. I mean, unless Halladay doesn't notice that they rolled a tank onto the field, and is just standing on the mound.

Close only counts in horseshoes and artillery shells.
   35. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 22, 2011 at 03:58 PM (#3859522)
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:03 PM (#3859525)
Close only counts in horseshoes and artillery shells.

Yeah, you're right, they could use an HE round. I was thinking armor piercing where they'd actually have to hit him.
   37. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:04 PM (#3859526)
I think it would actually be pretty hard to hit an individual with a tank cannon.


We'll burn down half of Tokyo and call it collateral damage, then.

After spending a weekend watching Cardinal broadcasts, I'd just like to say how much I hate the whole "_______ Nation" theme used to describe a fanbase.


The Braves don't have a nation. They have country. This Is Braves Country, to be precise. We're totally Articles of Confederation like that.
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:06 PM (#3859529)

Since everyone realizes this was a joke, what is the issue here?


Exactly. Its funny cause its true - Cardinals fans are homicidal murderers. LOL!
   39. Adam B. Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:14 PM (#3859541)
for those who didn't see it, it was something special:

Trever Miller pitching for St. Louis
T Miller relieved K McClellan.
J Rollins lined out to left.
S Victorino singled to left center.
C Utley walked, S Victorino to second.
J Motte relieved T Miller.
R Howard hit by pitch, S Victorino to third, C Utley to second.
P Polanco hit by pitch, S Victorino scored, C Utley to third, R Howard to second.
W Valdez ran for P Polanco.
B Tallet relieved J Motte.
R Ibanez struck out swinging.
B Francisco hit for D Brown.
B Francisco singled to left, C Utley scored, R Howard to third, W Valdez to second.
M Batista relieved B Tallet.
C Ruiz walked, R Howard scored, W Valdez to third, B Francisco to second.
M Martinez hit for M Stutes.
M Martinez walked, W Valdez scored, B Francisco to third, C Ruiz to second.
J Rollins singled to center, B Francisco and C Ruiz scored, M Martinez to second.
M Cleto relieved M Batista.
S Victorino walked, M Martinez to third, J Rollins to second.
C Utley singled to left, M Martinez and J Rollins scored, S Victorino to second.
R Howard singled to center, S Victorino scored, C Utley to third.
W Valdez flied out to right.
   40. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:21 PM (#3859547)
And for those who can bear to look, the official MLB footage of the inning.
   41. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:21 PM (#3859548)
Exactly. Its funny cause its true - Cardinals fans are homicidal murderers. LOL!

It's amazing how intent they are on justifying their title of "worst fans in baseball".
   42. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq., LLC Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:29 PM (#3859558)
Is Roy Halladay a Belgian? This is important.
   43. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:32 PM (#3859564)
Is Roy Halladay a Belgian? This is important.


Test him with a puppy.
   44. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:39 PM (#3859573)
You're all meek and meager compared to the great Marlins Individual!

Which is me!
   45. McCoy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:41 PM (#3859575)
A plague of Mets?
   46. Adam B. Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:47 PM (#3859581)
Gonfalon, I had the same thought as I was watching last night.
   47. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: June 22, 2011 at 04:58 PM (#3859590)
A plethora of Pirates?
   48. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:12 PM (#3859600)
J Motte relieved T Miller.
R Howard hit by pitch, S Victorino to third, C Utley to second.


Obviously Tony needs another LOOGy.
   49. Rally Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:25 PM (#3859615)
Oriole Nation


Oriole faction? Oriole brotherhood? Oriole solidarity movement?

Something more on those lines. A nation they are not. They are the oppressed, dominated by occupying armies of foreigners. If you doubt this, then you need to visit Camden Yards when the Yankees or Red Sox are in town.
   50. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:26 PM (#3859617)
A baggery of Yankees
A fratulence of Red Sox
An irrelevance of Blue Jays
A murder of Orioles
A contraction of Rays

A DL of Twins
A confederacy of White Sox
An extinction of Tigers
A regicide of Royals
A wampum of Indians

A shrubbery of Rangers
A fall of Angels
A sixth of Mariners
A lack of Athletics

A barrage of Phillies
A hooch of Braves
A pyramid of Mets
A locality of Nationals
A catch of Marlins

A flophouse of Cardinals
A curse of Cubs
A mediocrity of Brewers
A cleat of Reds
A gaggle of Pirates
A challenge of Astros

A pride of Giants
A battery of Dodgers
An avalanche of Rockies
A medusa of Diamondbacks
A scandal of Padres
   51. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:33 PM (#3859620)
Primey for 50
   52. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:37 PM (#3859624)
I would change:

A laundry of White Sox
A teepee of Indians
A flight of Braves
A shortbus of Marlins
A wellfare of Reds
A coma of Giants*

*too soon?
   53. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3859625)
An irrelevance of Blue Jays

Ouch.

Correct, but still.

Ouch.
   54. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:43 PM (#3859629)
#39 -- that sounds like an extremely painful inning of baseball, regardless of which team you were rooting for.
   55. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:51 PM (#3859635)
Obviously Tony needs another LOOGy.

No kidding. That's Tony's dream - five different relievers in one inning!

I love it when his genius shuffling of relievers blows up like that.
   56. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3859638)
Also:
A statue of Nationals
A purgatory of Cardinals

I'd move battery to Phillies, and change Dodgers to an assault of Dodgers.

And as a bonus:
An asylum of Phanatics
   57. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:56 PM (#3859643)
My issue isn't with what he said, it's just that I'm sick and tired of having "U-S-A U-S-A Go Military!" shoved down my throat at every sporting event I attend.


That's just liberals over-compensating their effort to prove that they support the troops.


I was at the two-bases-loaded-walks, two-bases-loaded-HBP game at Fenway...which also included a tribute to a fan who had enlisted that day. I didn't know whether to cheer or not--there's compelling arguments on both sides.

Also, Dave Roberts got a standing O.
   58. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 22, 2011 at 05:59 PM (#3859645)
Oriole Nation

Oriole faction? Oriole brotherhood? Oriole solidarity movement?


Oriole People's Front, The People's Front of Orioles, Oriole Popular People's Front.
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 06:08 PM (#3859650)
We'll burn down half of Tokyo and call it collateral damage, then.

That wouldn't make much sense since Halladay was in St. Louis.

I guess you could burn down half of East St. Louis. It would probably increase property values.
   60. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 06:46 PM (#3859688)
"My issue isn't with what he said, it's just that I'm sick and tired of having "U-S-A U-S-A Go Military!" shoved down my throat at every sporting event I attend."

That's just liberals over-compensating their effort to prove that they support the troops.

I was at the two-bases-loaded-walks, two-bases-loaded-HBP game at Fenway...which also included a tribute to a fan who had enlisted that day. I didn't know whether to cheer or not--there's compelling arguments on both sides.


To be clear, I was joking with my "over-compensating" comment above. Liberals do seem to go out of their way to constantly remind us that they support the troops, but I don't think that's the reason why the military theme permeates sporting events moreso than it permeates other aspects of our culture.
   61. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 06:57 PM (#3859699)
I'd just like to say how much I hate the whole "_______ Nation" theme used to describe a fanbase.

The DFW media sure glommed onto "Ranger Nation" meme last October which sounded especially goofy considering that in April "Ranger Nation" consisted of not much more than a couple of neighborhoods around The Ballpark in Arlington that weren't bulldozed to make way for JerryWorld.
   62. TerpNats Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:01 PM (#3859706)
One of the great thing about rooting for the Nationals is that no sane person will ever use the phrase "Nationals Nation" because it sounds inherently ridiculous, not to mention redundant. (Though I never warmed to Stan Kasten's phrase "NatsTown," either. I think "Natsland" has some potential.)
   63. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:01 PM (#3859707)
Liberals do seem to go out of their way to constantly remind us that they support the troops
An understandable reflex, given that they're so often accused of being traitors.
   64. spycake Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:21 PM (#3859720)
Liberals do seem to go out of their way to constantly remind us that they support the troops


But basically every person involved in public political discourse does this -- I don't see how it's a liberal thing.
   65. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:28 PM (#3859722)
The Royals seem to use the phrase "Royals Nation", which is a terrible wasted opportunity. Royals Domain, Royals Kingdom, Royals Hunting Preserve, Royals Prerogative, something like that.

To be clear, I was joking with my "over-compensating" comment above. Liberals do seem to go out of their way to constantly remind us that they support the troops, but I don't think that's the reason why the military theme permeates sporting events moreso than it permeates other aspects of our culture.


The military and sports are two of the most dude-centric aspects of our culture, so it's a natural fit.

My uncle was a colonel in the Airborne and a Braves fan, and he occasionally threatened to strangle Mike Redmond whenever Redmond got one of his 21 career hits off of Tom Glavine. This never caused a scandal.
   66. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:37 PM (#3859726)
An understandable reflex, given that they're so often accused of being traitors.

Well, when you've got guys like this on your side, if the shoe fits, you have to wear it.
   67. OsunaSakata Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:42 PM (#3859730)
(Though I never warmed to Stan Kasten's phrase "NatsTown," either. I think "Natsland" has some potential.)


Nat Pack is already used by the pep squad. NatPAC would have been a good name because it sounds like a political action committee/lobbying organization.
   68. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:44 PM (#3859734)
Get rid of the anthem before sporting events
Get rid of GBA
Stop worshiping the flag as though it is a religious symbol
Stop telling me that the wars we are fighting are to protect the US and that they get some sort of pass

and by golly
Stop this idiotic "X Nation" for sports teams. It is well past it's sell by date.
   69. Dale Sams Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:47 PM (#3859736)
Nothing clears out a room faster than my "Support the troops? Why do they get a free pass? Especially in a draft-free world" bit.


I tried to make a joke between this and saying Tiger should be lynched in an alley.... came up short.
   70. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:48 PM (#3859737)
@66

It is always fun to take the most outlandish example of someone who holds a particular idea, and then use that as a cudgel against everyone who also holds that idea.

It isn't productive. And it is stupid, lazy and beyond sleazy. But it sure is fun.
   71. Steve Treder Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:51 PM (#3859742)
But basically every person involved in public political discourse does this -- I don't see how it's a liberal thing.

Because it isn't. Ray's just making sh!t up.
   72. SoSH U at work Posted: June 22, 2011 at 07:53 PM (#3859743)
Nothing clears out a room faster than my "Support the troops? Why do they get a free pass? Especially in a draft-free world" bit.


I'm partial to "I support the war, but oppose the troops."
   73. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:18 PM (#3859767)
Well, when you've got guys like this on your side, if the shoe fits, you have to wear it.


Wow. that bolded one is particularly bad.
   74. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:20 PM (#3859768)
Though I never warmed to Stan Kasten's phrase "NatsTown," either


That was his second choice after "Try the Brisket, It's Delicious, Village."
   75. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:28 PM (#3859780)
The Royals seem to use the phrase "Royals Nation", which is a terrible wasted opportunity. Royals Domain, Royals Kingdom, Royals Hunting Preserve, Royals Prerogative, something like that.


The Royal We.
   76. cardsfanboy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:28 PM (#3859781)
The only good thing about that inning, is I had to take my girlfriend to work right when the bases got loaded, and her radio doesn't pick up AM for crap so by the time I got back home the inning was just ending and I didn't get a chance to go on a murderous rage.

In other news, the Cardinals just released Batista, recalled Lance Lynn.

As to Tony's love of relievers and stuff, you have to realize that the Cardinals pen has Salas and Boggs are the two best relievers, Motte is the third best and followed by any order of your choosing, Miller, Cleto, Tallet, Batista and Franklin(the best whip of that group is Batista 1.568 (or whatever stat you like for a reliever, none of them are good, best fip of those five is Miller 4.32, xFip is Franklins 4.17, ops against Batista .745) The bullpen is basically Salas and sometimes Motte.


The Nation thing just needs to go away, it's unorginal, it's pompous, it's boring.
   77. Meatwad Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:29 PM (#3859784)
Eh even with 50 cal you dont have to hit, about 6 inches away will still take an arm off
   78. scareduck Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:44 PM (#3859802)
Best fans in baseball!
   79. Walt Davis Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:52 PM (#3859808)
I'd go with a cuddle of Cubs.

And, probably not as good as the original suggestion, but perhaps a default of Dodgers.
   80. cardsfanboy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 08:58 PM (#3859815)
Best fans in baseball!


What does that even mean in context to this article?
   81. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 22, 2011 at 09:03 PM (#3859817)
Well, when you've got guys like this on your side, if the shoe fits, you have to wear it.
But they're not on my side. They're on the crazy side. The fact that you don't differentiate says more about you than about anyone else.
   82. scareduck Posted: June 22, 2011 at 09:05 PM (#3859820)
I'm being sarcastic, of course; every fanbase has their jerkwad contingent, but it seems you always hear the national broadcasters (ESPN is especially bad in this) call Cardinals fans "the best fans in baseball".

Now, I confess to not having seen the segment. And one especially homicidal "warfighter" wearing Redbird colors who threatens, even jokingly, to kill an opposition pitcher is (most likely) guilty mainly of being insensitive, and has no bearing on the mass of fans wearing those colors. But in the current atmosphere where the president claims the right to declare whomsoever he likes a terrorist to be clapped in irons indefinitely without the benefit of trial, it sounds less like a joke and more like the start of a trial balloon.
   83. cardsfanboy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 09:18 PM (#3859835)
Just watched the segment and it's a complete non-issue. You would have to be really trying to find a controversy to find something offensive with this comment.
   84. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: June 22, 2011 at 09:30 PM (#3859854)
I'm partial to "I support the war, but oppose the troops."


Or "I support the troops. I just don't understand how our military budget is 660B per year, and they still can't win a war."
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: June 22, 2011 at 09:32 PM (#3859858)
I'm partial to "I support the war, but oppose the troops.


Hey, I see a Republican congressman is in the building. :)
   86. bunyon Posted: June 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM (#3859892)
Just watched the segment and it's a complete non-issue. You would have to be really trying to find a controversy to find something offensive with this comment.

Fortunately, there are a whole lot of people doing just this for hours on end.
   87. Rally Posted: June 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM (#3859894)
"I'm partial to "I support the war, but oppose the troops."

Posted as a joke I'm sure, but more logically sound than "I support troops engaging activities that will lead to many of their deaths, but I support those troops as well."
   88. Alberto Gilardino Posted: June 22, 2011 at 10:22 PM (#3859902)
Was this guy in 'Avatar'?
   89. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:02 PM (#3859937)
Did Dan Shaughnessy start this with Red Sox Nation? Or did it start before that?

"Raider Nation" has been a thing for a long time.


Been wondering about this for a few years now, especially after noticing just how obnoxious it is when one lives among the warring factions of Alabama Nation & Auburn Nation (neither of whose citizens realize that they're merely different satellites of Moron Nation). It's not sports, but the earliest repeated reference to the concept that I can remember is "Woodstock Nation."

Can anyone think of an earlier iteration? Andy? (He's sort my go-to guy for such things, after all. As a historian-in-training back during grad school, my specialty was the post-Depression U.S. with an emphasis on the '60s ... but Andy was actually there, in the same sense that if I'd specialized in the Civil War, I'd regard Harvey's as an authority.)
   90. Bruce Markusen Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:06 PM (#3859942)
I just don't understand the continual motivation of the BTF editors to post these kinds of articles that are only tangentially related to baseball, are usually meant to make conservatives/Republicans look bad, and usually result in the other side (The Left) expressing outrage. Then someone gets too political, or too personal, and the thread gets shut down. Why is this cycle repeated again and again? What is the point? Did BTF get switched to PTF (Political Think Factory) without me noticing it?

There are tons of more interesting BASEBALL articles being produced on the Internet that never see the light of day here. Good, well-written articles that have nothing to do with politics or political idealogy. The stuff that Jaffe and Treder produce at Hardball Times, articles at SB Nation, articles at YES Network, and yet they are usually ignored. Not to sound like Tom Hanks' character in Big, but I don't get it. I just don't get it.
   91. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM (#3859946)
I just don't understand the continual motivation of the BTF editors to post these kinds of articles that are only tangentially related to baseball, are usually meant to make conservatives/Republicans look bad, and usually result in the other side (The Left) expressing outrage. Then someone gets too political, or too personal, and the thread gets shut down.

The last politics thread went 6400+ posts, and was never shut down...
   92. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3859948)
How many beers did this yahoo have before the brought him into the booth?
   93. Lassus Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3859949)
I just don't understand the continual motivation of the BTF editors to post these kinds of articles that are only tangentially related to baseball, are usually meant to make conservatives/Republicans look bad, and usually result in the other side (The Left) expressing outrage. Then someone gets too political, or too personal, and the thread gets shut down. Why is this cycle repeated again and again? What is the point? Did BTF get switched to PTF (Political Think Factory) without me noticing it?

I heartily endorse this statement. It has gotten beyond tiresome, and no one in charge cares in the slightest.

The design stagnation of the site seems worth noting as well. When was the last time anything at all changed?
   94. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3859957)
Because it isn't. Ray's just making sh!t up.


For the record, I only support the troops if they're making Ray pay for someone else's healthcare.

At gunpoint.
   95. Eddo Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3859961)
How about a "trolley of Dodgers"?
   96. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3859962)
@90 & 93

It isn't as if this hasn't been brought up before either. Repoz's political posts specifically have been brought up many times, especially after everyone gets scolded after a thread gets totally off the rails.
   97. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:44 PM (#3859967)
@95

That one I really like. It takes into account their history in Brooklyn plus the history of public transit in LA, or lack thereof. And with Mr. Parking Lot owning the team.

Delightful.
   98. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: June 22, 2011 at 11:44 PM (#3859968)
Double post
   99. Ray (CTL) Posted: June 23, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3859980)
It isn't as if this hasn't been brought up before either. Repoz's political posts specifically have been brought up many times, especially after everyone gets scolded after a thread gets totally off the rails.


I've heard that one doesn't have to read threads that one doesn't want to read.

Like I do, for example, with the soccer thread. This isn't like paying taxes.
   100. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: June 23, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3859989)
I've heard that one doesn't have to read threads that one doesn't want to read.


You've said some crazy things before, but at long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?
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