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Mariners’ Logan Morrison suggests Twitter troll is gay while arguing

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

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One Twitterer was ready to take a jab at first baseman and left fielder Logan Morrison who is on his way from the Miami Marlins to the Seattle Mariners. Two teams that have struggled to find any success recently.

So the creative Twitter troll made a “never makes the playoffs” jab and Morrison responded by suggesting he is gay. Real mature guys.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 08:28 PM | 102 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. winnipegwhip Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM (#4617204)
Lomo should have asked if he preferred Bull Durham, the movie or Bull Durham, the musical?
   2. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4617205)
LoMo no homo.
   3. Lars6788 Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:43 PM (#4617207)
I want to see the double standard reaction to this - David Price got slammed a few weeks ago for suggesting on Twitter to women to let their man drive.

Oh poor loquacious LoMo was just defending his good name...
   4. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:20 PM (#4617218)
the double standard reaction


I'm not sure where the double standard comes in. They're both ####### morons, just about different ####.
   5. jobu Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:05 AM (#4617232)
I am sure the Marlins' front office was glad to see "Mariners' Logan Morrison" in the headline as a change of pace. He isn't anywhere near good enough to be worth the trouble.
   6. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4617234)
Not that this means anything, but I had to do a double take the other day when I saw an image of him and he was white. Never crossed my mind he wasn't black. Definitely a Reggie Cleveland All-Star.

And he sucks too much to be this big of a pain for the front office.
   7. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4617238)
Not that this means anything, but I had to do a double take the other day when I saw an image of him and he was white. Never crossed my mind he wasn't black. Definitely a Reggie Cleveland All-Star.


You know black dudes named "Logan"?
   8. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4617239)
That's as good a #1-#2 start to a thread as we've seen around here in a while.
   9. Morty Causa Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4617241)
   10. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM (#4617246)
Some professional athletes are homophobic?!?!?!?!
   11. TerpNats Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:35 AM (#4617250)
I think this may be the catalyst for a real Rangers-Mariners rivalry. (And a Rangers fan from Fargo? That's not going to make the Twins happy.)
   12. jobu Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:45 AM (#4617255)
You know black dudes named "Logan"?


Yep, this guy who is trying to make a comeback.
   13. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM (#4617257)
All jokes should be banned.

Someone's feelings might get hurt.
   14. bookbook Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4617265)
Don't know any white dudes named "Logan" either.
   15. bookbook Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:23 AM (#4617266)
No Shibal. Racial slurs and put downs based on insinuating sexual orientation should be encouraged. Do we want to be a moral society? Certainly not at the expense of a good chuckle or two.
   16. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:28 AM (#4617268)
All I got is Logan Tom, she's not bad to look at.
   17. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:30 AM (#4617269)
That's not going to endear him to people in Seattle...
   18. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:50 AM (#4617271)
You know black dudes named "Logan"?


I guess not, but the LoMo moniker for his Twitter handle, which I had often heard of here, maybe made me think he was black. Also, I think I was confusing him with Cameron Maybin? Maybe?

LoMo no homo.


That's actually a hashtag the guy uses. I saw it the other day when I discovered he was white....

Twitter is cray-cray...
   19. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:55 AM (#4617272)
Why would a professional athlete even bother to respond to a random Twitter troll?
   20. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:04 AM (#4617274)
Why would a professional athlete even bother to respond to a random Twitter troll?
#sharktits!!!
   21. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:26 AM (#4617275)
No Shibal. Racial slurs and put downs based on insinuating sexual orientation should be encouraged. Do we want to be a moral society? Certainly not at the expense of a good chuckle or two.


I hope you get equally offended when jokes about drunken Irish are made. Or jokes about Catholic priests. Or those silly Tea-baggers...good thing that term isn't a putdown "based on insinuating sexual orientation" because there's no doubt that the likes of you will be disgusted at all the lefties, including the beloved president, spitting out those words on their enemies.

Those kind of putdowns certainly don't make ours a moral society, no?

   22. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:15 AM (#4617282)
Errr, they named themselves tea-baggers.
   23. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:19 AM (#4617283)
I guess not, but the LoMo moniker for his Twitter handle, which I had often heard of here, maybe made me think he was black. Also, I think I was confusing him with Cameron Maybin? Maybe?


I hear ya. I once thought Nate McLouth was black, and I guess there's nothing exceptionally non-white sounding about that name either. I guess it made me think of Nate McMillan the basketball player/coach.
   24. Barnaby Jones Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:49 AM (#4617288)
Don't know any white dudes named "Logan" either.


WOLVERINES!!!!!!

Well, um, one Wolverine at least.
   25. madvillain Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:30 AM (#4617290)
Seattle is gay friendly and net savvy, not a great start to his tenure here. Hopefully their PR people tell him to lay off twitter.
   26. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 13, 2013 at 07:33 AM (#4617296)
When, where did Obama use the term "teabagger"?
   27. zonk Posted: December 13, 2013 at 08:24 AM (#4617298)
No Shibal. Racial slurs and put downs based on insinuating sexual orientation should be encouraged. Do we want to be a moral society? Certainly not at the expense of a good chuckle or two.



I hope you get equally offended when jokes about drunken Irish are made. Or jokes about Catholic priests. Or those silly Tea-baggers...good thing that term isn't a putdown "based on insinuating sexual orientation" because there's no doubt that the likes of you will be disgusted at all the lefties, including the beloved president, spitting out those words on their enemies.


Boys, boys, I can settle this...

It really wasn't funny anyway, so no harm bashing Lame-O over it...
   28. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: December 13, 2013 at 08:55 AM (#4617302)
Don't know any white dudes named "Logan" either.

In making this statement you are telling us that you aren't in high school and probably don't have a school-aged kid. Logan is exhibit A among the silly newfangled names. Before 1975 "Logan" had never cracked the top 900 in popularity as a baby name, then this (numbers from the Social Security Agency):

Year   Rank
1975    916
1980    348
1985    233
1990    104
1995    51
2000    40
2005    26
2010    17 

If you were ever looking for an example of the collapse of Western society, this is it.
   29. zonk Posted: December 13, 2013 at 09:00 AM (#4617304)
So basically, you're saying the film Logan's Run destroyed society?

I always knew Farrah Fawcett would be involved somehow....
   30. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 13, 2013 at 09:03 AM (#4617305)
All jokes should be banned.

Someone's feelings might get hurt.


I hope you get equally offended when jokes about drunken Irish are made.


I am pretty sure it wasn't funny and was not meant as a joke, it was meant as an insult. And it was tacky. Basically allowed, but a terrible idea and he should be criticized and mocked IMO.

And being Irish with a father who died of alcoholism I actually don't find Drunk Irish jokes to be all that amusing honestly. I have a thick skin and don't actually care that much, but still not funny.
   31. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 09:29 AM (#4617313)
Or jokes about Catholic priests. Or those silly Tea-baggers...


There's a difference between making a joke about something someone is born as (gay, Irish, etc.) and something someone chooses to be (priest, tea-bagger, etc.).

Also, as always - Twitter is stupid, and using it makes you stupid.
   32. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 09:31 AM (#4617314)
"Logan" is up there with "Hunter" and "Madison" and "Kyle" on the top-ten list of whitest names.
   33. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4617344)
This kind of thing has only recently become newsworthy because being offended has become an industry. A large majority of these folks are told they should be offended.
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4617353)
I want to see the double standard reaction to this - David Price got slammed a few weeks ago for suggesting on Twitter to women to let their man drive.


Don't worry, LoMo is kinda sexist too.
   35. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM (#4617363)
This kind of thing has only recently become newsworthy because the list of who can stand up for themselves and say "stop it" keeps expanding. A large majority of these folks now have the voice/agency to express their offense, where before they did not.
   36. Kurt Posted: December 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4617368)
This kind of thing has only recently become newsworthy because the list of who can stand up for themselves and say "stop it" keeps expanding. A large majority of these folks now have the voice/agency to express their offense, where before they did not.


Well, that and twitter not existing ten years ago.
   37. boteman digs the circuit clout Posted: December 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM (#4617369)
Everybody on my mother's side is Polish and I make Polak jokes all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself then...go f@ck yourself!

Besides, LoMo was just being inclusive. Why should the default assumption on engagements be hetero? Maybe in LoMo's circles when one of his buds announces his engagement the automatic assumption is that the other half is a guy? You want expanding freedom, you got it baby!
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4617375)
Everybody on my mother's side is Polish and I make Polak jokes all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself then...go f@ck yourself!



Are you saying Logan Morrison is gay?
   39. thetailor Posted: December 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM (#4617396)
It's Insults 101 to call somebody something they're not in an attempt to bug them.
   40. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4617485)
When, where did Obama use the term "teabagger"?


Obama used the phrase in an interview with Jonathan Alter, and just recently in a letter to a 5th grade teacher. Bill Clinton did it, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, every host and guest on MSNBC seemed to use it.

Nobody seems to care about "put downs based on insinuating sexual orientation" when it comes from these people.



   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4617491)
What do you mean "these people"?
   42. BDC Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4617498)
It's Insults 101 to call somebody something they're not in an attempt to bug them

So every tweet to Logan Morrison should start out "Hey, genius" … wait, that actually works pretty well.
   43. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4617537)
Everybody on my mother's side is Polish and I make Polak jokes all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself then...go f@ck yourself!


I make self deprecating jokes all the time and laugh at myself often. That should not give others the OK to disparage me, and if they do disparage me or mine, my failure to laugh at these "jokes" is not a implication as to my lack of a sense of humor.
   44. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4617542)
I am pretty sure it wasn't funny and was not meant as a joke, it was meant as an insult. And it was tacky. Basically allowed, but a terrible idea and he should be criticized and mocked IMO.

Actually he should be ignored, inasmuch as he's a guy in his 20s of middling (*) intellect who's spent his life and made his living hitting, catching, and throwing a small white hardball.

I'm still utterly perplexed at what people thought would come out of these people's mouths once they availed themselves of the mechanisms of instant, 140 character communications.

(*) Or lower.
   45. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:14 PM (#4617549)
40. Links, please.
   46. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4617553)
I make self deprecating jokes all the time and laugh at myself often. That should not give others the OK to disparage me,


Yea, racial jokes are like jokes about mom. Its okay if I do it, but if you do it, I'm going to knock you on your ass.
   47. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4617558)
What do you mean "these people"?


I was talking about the people I listed in sentence immediately preceding the comment. For example, when I write:

"The Royals won last night.

They now travel to Milwaukee."

I mean the Royals will now travel to Milwaukee. "They" replaces "Royals" since it would be poor form to repeat Royals so quickly.

I picked up that trick in 3rd grade.

Now when I say mention Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, and the hosts and guest on MSNBC, and immediately say "these people" in the next sentence, it is a fair assumption to think "these people" = "Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, and the hosts and guest on MSNBC."



   48. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4617559)
40. Links, please.


www.google.com
   49. zonk Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4617562)
It's Insults 101 to call somebody something they're not in an attempt to bug them


And we all know Insults 101 is a prerequisite for Intermediate and Advanced #############.

I majored in it before going on to get my Masters in Assholishness.
   50. Blastin Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4617567)
I wasn't logged in. I logged in to block Shibal and then once I did, I realized he was already blocked. Yay for planning ahead.



There is no point if the man doesn't understand the difference between 1. a disadvantaged group and those in power and 2. a choice (like a profession or a political party) and race/orientation/gender etc.

There is no point.

As to the actual story..

LoMo's a dumbass, but I think we all knew that.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4617568)
#47 It was a joke. Bad jokes are commonplace in this thread!
   52. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4617574)
Well I laughed at first.

Then I remembered where I was and started thinking, "These people are the most miserable, humorless and self-righteousness characters I've run across. Maybe AG wasn't telling a joke."

Sarcasm can be tough to read at times.

   53. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4617582)
I wasn't logged in. I logged in to block Shibal and then once I did, I realized he was already blocked. Yay for planning ahead.


Your surrender is noted.
   54. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4617626)
I wasn't logged in. I logged in to block Shibal and then once I did, I realized he was already blocked. Yay for planning ahead.



"Your surrender is noted."



I passed on your response since he has you blocked. I probably will be likewise after this considering there seems to be some really thin skinned people around here.
   55. Blastin Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4617628)
You can tell him whatever you like.
   56. Eric Ferguson Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4617630)
These people are the most miserable, humorless and self-righteousness characters I've run across.

This actually gets to something I was thinking while reading these comments: Why the f*ck do we come here? We are all, I would guess, moderately intelligent people, at least some of whom are currently at work. And yet we choose to spend our time engaged in childish b*tchfests? If I wanted to engage in childish b*tchfests, I'd just walk around my office.
   57. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4617638)
These people are the most miserable, humorless and self-righteousness characters I've run across.


So where is the humor I am supposed to be laughing at?

Suggesting someone is gay is not funny (nor is it an insult, though it is often intended to be such).
   58. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4617639)
Why the f*ck do we come here? We are all, I would guess, moderately intelligent people, at least some of whom are currently at work.

I don't know about you, but I have a fetish for baseball nerds and come here to hook up. And I have to tell you, this thread is useless without pics...

   59. Swedish Chef Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4617646)
Why the f*ck do we come here?

I'm a spambot.
   60. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4617647)
By the way, LoMo's "joke" was less offensive than it was just really not funny. Is he 10 years old? If you're an MLB player on twitter and a troll wants to have a go at you, you're default response is "I'm a 25 year old, athletic millionaire with a model girlfriend (or boyfriend!) in 12 cities and you are a hateful doofus on twitter."
   61. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:17 PM (#4617649)
Yes...my reaction is mostly "wow, LoMo is pathetic," not "he's a horrible bigot."
   62. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4617650)
The bigger issue here is that the fan actually thought the marlins were going to make the playoffs.
   63. Blastin Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4617651)
Yeah he's a dumbass more than anything.

The people on here saying NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE OFFENDED if the intent is humor... they have issues.
   64. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4617656)
The people on here saying NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE OFFENDED if the intent is humor... they have issues.

This is a cogent point, sir.
   65. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4617660)
The people on here saying NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE OFFENDED if the intent is humor... they have issues.

You're gay.
   66. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4617667)


Yes...my reaction is mostly "wow, LoMo is pathetic," not "he's a horrible bigot."


Agree. His response is the older version of "I know you are, but what am I?"
   67. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4617669)
This actually gets to something I was thinking while reading these comments: Why the f*ck do we come here? We are all, I would guess, moderately intelligent people,


That depends on how broad your definition of moderately is.
   68. Shibal Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:34 PM (#4617671)
This is a cogent point, sir.


Yes, he's disagreeing with a point that was never made.
   69. Poster Nutbag Posted: December 13, 2013 at 06:11 PM (#4617714)
I found some weird #### in that link (48) above...that google thing has the answer for everything! And it's all true too!!!
   70. jobu Posted: December 13, 2013 at 08:29 PM (#4617744)
If you were ever looking for an example of the collapse of Western society, this is it.


The link in #28 is pretty fun. Of course, amongst the names that I checked first for popularity trends were "Richard" (at about 1/16th of its 1940s peak) and "Dick" (has not been in the top 1000 names since 1970). "Peter" is way down. Maybe if we start using the name "Logan" to describe a Johnson, that name will go away, too.
   71. Greg K Posted: December 13, 2013 at 08:57 PM (#4617746)
I believe Seinfeld's old "This doesn't offend me as a Jew, this offends me as a comedian" applies here. That Morrison thinks that was a clever retort is more disturbing to me than any conclusion we can draw about any potential bigotry.
   72. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4617774)
The joke is terrible because it implies in some way that being gay is something to laugh at or mock, like the equivalent of your friend beong unable to parallel park or your mother struggling to use her iPhone. It's not,so it fails as an insult while betraying Morrison as someone who probably has negative views of homosexuals. Taking offense might be a bit extreme but who am I to say? Were I gay I might view this as something to be up in arms about. As a straight person it's not for me to tell gays that they cannot be hurt.
   73. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2013 at 01:43 AM (#4617832)
Anyone can take offense to anything but anyone else can also not care that they did.
   74. Benji Posted: December 14, 2013 at 01:54 AM (#4617833)
1. It was so demeaning for the President, John Kerry and the MSNBC hosts to put tea bags all over these people's clothes, and name every organization in every state "Tea Party".
2. The Reggie Cleveland All Star name that surprised me the most was Bobby Hill.
   75. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: December 14, 2013 at 01:59 AM (#4617834)
Nobody seems to care about "put downs based on insinuating sexual orientation" when it comes from these people.

technically, 'teabagger' doesn't refer to someone's orientation, but rather someone who performs a specific sexual act, namely teabagging.

   76. base ball chick Posted: December 14, 2013 at 02:27 AM (#4617835)
58. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4617639)
Why the f*ck do we come here? We are all, I would guess, moderately intelligent people, at least some of whom are currently at work.

I don't know about you, but I have a fetish for baseball nerds and come here to hook up. And I have to tell you, this thread is useless without pics.

- here and i thought you said this thread is useless without pRics
   77. vivaelpujols Posted: December 14, 2013 at 07:05 AM (#4617854)

technically, 'teabagger' doesn't refer to someone's orientation, but rather someone who performs a specific sexual act, namely teabagging.


Sounds like something a ########## would say.

Anyway this thread is pretty typical of what goes on here anytime some ballplayer makes a somewhat racist/homophobic/sexist comment. Overreactions on both sides. This is pretty standard for a guy in his 20's who likely has the emotional intelligence of a 20 year old. It's not particularly homophobic (I highly doubt LoMo has anything against gay people or opposes gay rights or anything, let's save the homophobic brand for actually homophobes), and it's not really funny unless you think really stupid insults are funny (which they totally can be and anyone arguing otherwise is a moron, but that kind of humor depends on tone which... internet).
   78. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:34 AM (#4617862)
I highly doubt LoMo has anything against gay people or opposes gay rights or anything

Whereas I need more evidence before I form any opinion. Why do you "highly doubt" that he has anything against gays or opposes gay rights? What's the evidence suggesting that's the case?
   79. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 14, 2013 at 01:48 PM (#4618015)
What's being lost in the discussion of "teabaggers" as a term is that they're the ones who came up with the name themselves, and they only stopped using it after they retroactively became embarrassed about the sexual connotation (which was totally known from the start to the members of the movement who coined the term, and were asking protestors to "tea bag the White House"). Link: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/enough-whining-teabaggers-actually-i

So calling one of them a teabagger is less about poor defenseless right-wingers being unfairly persecuted and more about rubbing idiots' noses in their own idiocy, and them not liking the smell of it.
   80. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2013 at 02:20 PM (#4618043)
Why do you "highly doubt" that he has anything against gays or opposes gay rights? What's the evidence suggesting that's the case?


He's young? Some 75% of those under 25 now support gay mariage.
   81. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 14, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4618064)
He's 26.

   82. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 14, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4618093)
I hope you get equally offended when jokes about drunken Irish are made. Or jokes about Catholic priests. Or those silly Tea-baggers...good thing that term isn't a putdown "based on insinuating sexual orientation" because there's no doubt that the likes of you will be disgusted at all the lefties, including the beloved president, spitting out those words on their enemies.


Yes, this is exactly the most clueless and irritating thing you could have said in response.
   83. Shibal Posted: December 14, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4618111)
What's being lost in the discussion of "teabaggers" as a term is that they're the ones who came up with the name themselves, and they only stopped using it after they retroactively became embarrassed about the sexual connotation (which was totally known from the start to the members of the movement who coined the term, and were asking protestors to "tea bag the White House"). Link: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/enough-whining-teabaggers-actually-i

So calling one of them a teabagger is less about poor defenseless right-wingers being unfairly persecuted and more about rubbing idiots' noses in their own idiocy, and them not liking the smell of it.


So a black guy using the n-word gives everyone the right to use the n-word themselves?


   84. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 14, 2013 at 06:25 PM (#4618119)
So he's not gay when not arguing?
   85. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: December 14, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4618130)
So a black guy using the n-word gives everyone the right to use the n-word themselves?


My god, this is just such a juvenile and tired retort (or argument)..Should black folks run around calling each other n-a-words? Probably not. But black folks aren't using it as a slur. White people still are.

Just like when gay folks use the word queers. It's okay in their community but more often than not, it's a slur when used outside of the community.
   86. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: December 14, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4618131)
Black people didn't coin the n-word to refer to themselves, but you knew that. I think.
   87. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 14, 2013 at 07:55 PM (#4618141)
This is kind of an awesome thread, but Morty in [9] still wins it.
   88. Shibal Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:03 PM (#4618143)
My god, this is just such a juvenile and tired retort (or argument)..Should black folks run around calling each other n-a-words? Probably not. But black folks aren't using it as a slur. White people still are.

Just like when gay folks use the word queers. It's okay in their community but more often than not, it's a slur when used outside of the community.


So Obama, Kerry, Clinton, Schumer, Maddow, Olbmermann and all these other tolerant lefties weren't using "teabaggers" as a slur?

Or do they just get a pass because they are on your side and those nasty teabaggers aren't?

Demanding tolerance for all is noble. Demanding tolerance for all as long as they agree with you, isn't.

I will say that the selective outrage is entertaining though. Keep it up please.

   89. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:16 PM (#4618146)
88...Didn't you read 79? And you don't even have to use Google.
   90. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:34 PM (#4618149)
Demanding tolerance for all is noble. Demanding tolerance for all as long as they agree with you, isn't.

Not everything is equally deserving of tolerance. Generally things which are not the choice of an individual (like race, sexual orientation etc), and things which don't affect anybody other than the individuals should be tolerated by all. For example, homophobes and gay people don't deserve the same level of tolerance. One group made an active choice to discriminate against and hurt other people, that is not worthy of the same level of tolerance, as the other, who did not choose to be the way they are, and are not hurting anybody by being so.

So if you think the Tea Party or Occupy (or any other political group trying to change society to their way), and their political ideals, and the goals they fight for, are harmful to the country and it's citizens, then by no means should you feel compelled to tolerate them. In fact, I would argue, you have an obligation to not tolerate them.
   91. Shibal Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:35 PM (#4618150)
88...Didn't you read 79? And you don't even have to use Google.


Sure, I quoted it in #83. Vlad thinks all the sexual innuendo slurs are OK because a Free Republic goof made a sign at a rally saying "Tea-bag Washington before they Tea-bag you".

According to his 'logic', slurs are not slurs if the victim or his kind used the same slur amongst themselves.


   92. Shibal Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4618152)
So if you think the Tea Party or Occupy (or any other political group trying to change society to their way), and their political ideals, and the goals they fight for, are harmful to the country and it's citizens, then by no means should you feel compelled to tolerate them. In fact, I would argue, you have an obligation to not tolerate them.


What a frightful philosophy that is.

White supremacists think inter-racial marriage is destroying the country. They have an obligation to not tolerate a black woman marrying a white man?

   93. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: December 14, 2013 at 08:43 PM (#4618153)
So Obama, Kerry, Clinton, Schumer, Maddow, Olbmermann and all these other tolerant lefties weren't using "teabaggers" as a slur?
teabagger is not a slur, it's an insult.
   94. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 14, 2013 at 09:34 PM (#4618165)
What a frightful philosophy that is.

White supremacists think inter-racial marriage is destroying the country. They have an obligation to not tolerate a black woman marrying a white man?

Well if you ignore the first paragraph, sure. Interracial marriage doesn't hurt anybody, doesn't affect anybody outside of that marriage.
   95. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 14, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4618184)
Well if you ignore the first paragraph, sure. Interracial marriage doesn't hurt anybody, doesn't affect anybody outside of that marriage.


Looks like someone hasn't noticed that global warming has really taken off since the advent of interracial marriage.
   96. Shibal Posted: December 14, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4618191)
teabagger is not a slur, it's an insult.


Pray tell, what is the difference between a slur and an insult? Other than semantics, of course.

Interracial marriage doesn't hurt anybody, doesn't affect anybody outside of that marriage.


The morally superior always thinks their way is the right way, and their side is the one deserving of tolerance while those damned teabaggers (or gays, or southerners, or Christians/Muslims/Jews) deserve no such respect.



   97. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: December 15, 2013 at 12:55 AM (#4618206)
   98. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4618207)
The morally superior always thinks their way is the right way, and their side is the one deserving of tolerance while those damned teabaggers (or gays, or southerners, or Christians/Muslims/Jews) deserve no such respect.

Nope, I don't demand any such thing for my political beliefs. If you don't want to respect or tolerate my political views have at it. Nobody is going to tell you otherwise. But pretending that political groups are the same as the others you list, is simply a false equivalency.
   99. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 15, 2013 at 01:08 AM (#4618211)
I agree with FPH's 90, but disagree with 94. If the White Supremacist believes that interracial marriage is destroying the country, then he is in fact acting correctly by being intolerant of the practice. The actions he follows in pursuit of his beliefs are logical and consistent (it doesn't make the actions "right", but that's neither here nor there), and thus back up FPH's 90. It's the beliefs at the foundation that are flawed and harmful.

Now, I think there are some legitimate examples of folks on the left expressing sentiments that are wholly inconsistent with the tolerance message they espouse (I think attitudes and comments about Southerners fit the bill nicely), but the crazy-ass hoops Shibal's jumping through to put the Tea Party members (and how they compare to the retrograde moron that is Logan Morrison) in that class simply don't fit, for a host of reasons. It was piss-poor example, encapsulated best by his inane 83 (blacks or gays or, hell, rednecks, staking claim to a historical slur to gain control of that name has no resemblance to anything on the Tea Party timeline). There's simply no liberal gotcha to be found here, regardless how damn hard he's worked to unearth one.
   100. Shibal Posted: December 15, 2013 at 01:42 AM (#4618214)
crazy-ass hoops Shibal's jumping through to put the Tea Party members (and how they compare to the retrograde moron that is Logan Morrison) in that class simply don't fit, for a host of reasons. It was piss-poor example, encapsulated best by his inane 83 (blacks or gays or, hell, rednecks, staking claim to a historical slur to gain control of that name has no resemblance to anything on the Tea Party timeline). There's simply no liberal gotcha to be found here, regardless how damn hard he's worked to unearth one.


Fair argument. I was objecting to Vlad's claim that since "teabagger" was first used by the Tea Party, it is fair game to use that against Tea Party members in a sexually derogatory manner. We all know that's not how it works in the real world.
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