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“I wasn’t willing to do it. That’s just the way it is. We’ve put too much into this. Our fans have suffered too much for 10 years (for us) to try to get to a point where we’re competitive. We are now, and we’re going to get better.

“This group of kids will get better. We’re not finished. We’ve got Paxton coming back. We’ve got Taijuan eventually. We have a lot of nice pieces. It isn’t just a couple. I think that’s very important.”

Jim Furtado Posted: August 01, 2014 at 08:40 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: mariners, trade deadline

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   1. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 08:53 AM (#4762355)
But we’re not sitting here donating players to make somebody else better.



No, that's the Red Sox's job. "Hey Yankees. Want a SS? He's got great defense and we warmed him up for you and everything."
   2. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 01, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4762359)
"Hey Yankees. Want a SS? He's got great defense and we warmed him up for you and everything."


A .583 OPS is "warmed up"?
   3. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4762363)
A .583 OPS is "warmed up"?


An .800 OPS for the last 28 days is.
   4. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: August 01, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4762371)
I think Jack Z made one of the better deals of the deadline.
   5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4762443)
Getting rid of Stephen Drew at this point is a net plus for the Red Sox. And I say this as a Red Sox fan who hates the Yankees. Seriously. Put Xander back at SS; put Middlebrooks at 3B for the rest of the year to see what we have. The Yankees are willing to take Drew's salary, which is great. Just get rid of Drew. I don't care if he hits .500 for his new team. He has nothing to do with next year's Red Sox roster, and Boston needs to spend the rest of this year preparing for 2015.

I can't believe, by the way, that the Rays traded Price without getting Walker back from Seattle. I think Seattle actually did a nice job in that three-way trade.
   6. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4762451)
to see what we have.


The other four chances after his two whole months of glory in 2012 weren't enough?
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4762456)
The Yankees are willing to take Drew's salary, which is great.

This really shouldn't matter to the Red Sox. They should have eaten the salary to get something, anything, even a single-A C prospects, from the Yankees.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4762459)
An .800 OPS for the last 28 days is.

Oh, but how about the last 32 days?
   9. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4762464)
An .800 OPS for the last 28 days is.

It's almost as though players coming off a long layoff need, oh, a month-long period of "training" to be fully prepared.
   10. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4762465)
to see what we have.


The other four chances after his two whole months of glory in 2012 weren't enough?


Don't get me wrong - I am not a Middlebrooks fan, and I share your view that we have probably seen enough to know that he can't make enough contact to hit in the big leagues. But I'd rather stick him there for two months straight to let management figure that out to their own satisfaction in 2014, if it means we can go into the off-season with clarity on where the team stands in terms of 3B...if Cecchini was ready, I'd put him there for the rest of the season, but he has struggled in his first shot at AAA...
   11. Ron J2 Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4762470)
#9 But it's not like Drew didn't have a lot of history of semi-random career interruptions. If there was anybody likely to be able to deal with a late start you'd have thought it was Drew.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4762477)
An .800 OPS for the last 28 days is.


That's mostly because he homered in back to back games a couple of weeks ago. In his last seven games, Drew is back to hitting .167/.259/.250.

Live by the small sample size, die by the small sample size.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4762481)
But I'd rather stick him there for two months straight to let management figure that out to their own satisfaction in 2014, if it means we can go into the off-season with clarity on where the team stands in terms of 3B...if Cecchini was ready, I'd put him there for the rest of the season, but he has struggled in his first shot at AAA...


They don't even have to give him every start. It doesn't hurt for Holt to get practice there, and Cecchini could get some starts after rosters expand.
   14. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4762488)
An .800 OPS for the last 28 days is.

Oh, but how about the last 32 days?

Live by the small sample size, die by the small sample size.


ok how about the last year and a half?
   15. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4762493)
That's mostly because he homered in back to back games a couple of weeks ago. In his last seven games, Drew is back to hitting .167/.259/.250.

Live by the small sample size, die by the small sample size.


Good point. But my theory about him needing time to warm up is boosted by his .827 OPS in last years second half. I think he'll give the Yanks at least .750 OPS over two months.

And re: WMB, maybe he can also put together 2 solid months to boost his trade value.

Sorry to turn this into a Red Sox thread. I just saw a contrast between what Jack said, and the Red Sox's continuing to shed major league talent for nearly nothing (Youkilis, Doubront, Scutaro, Drew). Hell, Beane probably has a tent erected outside of Cherington's office door. I mean that literally and metaphorically.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4762498)
I don't get how this got to be a Stephen Drew thread.
   17. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4762509)
Because Dale made three of the first six posts.
   18. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4762514)
I said I was sorry!

So ah...Mariners. That's the Seattle team. Yeah. I'll go out on a limb and have them pick up a WC spot.
   19. Batman Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4762517)
Because Dale made three of the first six posts.
Small sample size.
   20. dr. scott Posted: August 01, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4762584)
Small sample size.


Now that's hitting below the belt...
   21. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4762714)
Now that's hitting below the belt...


It's a horse of a different color.
   22. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 01, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4762718)
Alex Rodriguez hijack!
   23. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4762724)
Speaking of shedding major league talent like fleas...Mike Carp* has been released. Ha! Former Mariner. Relevant.

*Oh c'mon. He'd be a better DH than what Cleveland rolls out to the plate. He'd be better than using McCann as a 1B. But seriously given time I'm sure he could muster 95-100 OPS+
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: August 01, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4762729)
Small sample size.



Now that's hitting below the belt...


I tried to come up with some joke involving Brandon Belt and Panda Sandoval's large belt size, but I couldn't think of anything.

I have failed you, BBTF.

(mention of failure counts as relevant to topic of Mariners)
   25. frannyzoo Posted: August 01, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4762763)
This thread is what it's like to be a M's fan, every day. Every. Day.

P.S.: There was a Chone Figgins sighting in a recent thread about a minor league bench-clearing brawl. ****** Chone Figgins.
   26. Dale Sams Posted: August 01, 2014 at 05:31 PM (#4762770)
FWIW, this is the order I would take in choosing a west coast game to watch:

1. Dodgers
2. Mariners
3. Giants
4. A's
5. D-Backs

All chosen purely on announcing.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2014 at 06:15 PM (#4762800)
I can't believe, by the way, that the Rays traded Price without getting Walker back from Seattle. I think Seattle actually did a nice job in that three-way trade.

But how? The Ms weren't getting Price so why would they give up Walker? So either Detroit or Tampa would have to put more talent in the trade to make that work.

I think the Ms did OK. They traded Franklin, a good 2B prospect, for Jackson, a good CF with 1.5 years left. Perfectly good short term over long term trade but a pretty standard one too.
   28. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 01, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4762809)
This thread is what it's like to be a M's fan, every day. Every. Day.

This.
   29. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 01, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4762828)
FWIW, this is the order I would take in choosing a west coast game to watch:

1. Dodgers
2. Mariners
3. Giants
4. A's
5. D-Backs

All chosen purely on announcing.
If you can, try overlaying the A's radio broadcast over the TV; Ken Korach is great.
   30. bookbook Posted: August 02, 2014 at 07:42 AM (#4762997)
Walt Davis. Sure, it was a fine, not exceptional, trade. But on the Jack Z scale, it rates an A+.

(It was impressive that he didn't give up pieces of the future for this longshot year. It was impressive that he was still able to extract value from Franklin after last offseason and this first half. It was impressive that he got what the M's need--a good centerfielder--rather than one of his favorite shiny pieces--a slowfooted slugger who doesn't walk, make good contact, or own a glove.
   31. NattyBoh Posted: August 02, 2014 at 08:57 AM (#4763004)
"Hey Yankees. Want a SS? He's got great defense and we warmed him up for you and everything."


I prefer to think of this trade as half baked.

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