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Friday, June 22, 2018

Mariners rallying to get Ichiro in Home Run Derby

Since Day 1 of his major league career, Ichiro’s home run-hitting prowess in batting practice has been a well-known legend… There was always a long-held belief that he could be more of a power hitter if he chose to be, but as a speedy leadoff man he concentrated more on getting on-base with base hits.

PreservedFish Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:00 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PreservedFish Posted: June 22, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5697754)
I also wanted to see Bumgarner in the Home Run Derby.
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5697780)
Match race
   3. Batman Posted: June 22, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5697830)
Chris Berman should be forced to compete, just to make sure he doesn't sneak back into the booth.
   4. PepTech Posted: June 22, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5697936)
Please make this happen if for no other reason than to end this endless silly debate.
   5. PepTech Posted: June 22, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5697950)
Oh, and any excuse to post this video will do. Just skip to 0:45 for the money shot.
   6. jobu Posted: June 22, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5698022)
Ichiro pulls a Bobby Valentine.

And he predicted it when he retired.

"But I can't say for certain that maybe I won't put on a beard and glasses and be like Bobby Valentine and be in the dugout."


He is an international treasure.
   7. redsock Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5698174)
... long-held belief that he could be more of a power hitter if he chose to be, but as a speedy leadoff man he concentrated more on getting on-base with base hits.

I have never played major league baseball, but I'm not so sure it's better to hit a single and hope you can score a run than it is to hit a home run and score the run immediately.
Also, the whole "he could hit more home runs if he wanted to" is pure silliness. Wouldn't every player do this if it were actually possible (which it isn't)?
Announcers say "he can throw that pitch for a strike whenever he needs to". ... Throw it all the time, then!!!
   8. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 22, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5698182)
Well, he showed he was capable of driving the ball, but he mostly went up there slapping at it. I have no trouble believing that he'd have hit a bunch more home runs "if he wanted to." Whether or not that'd have made him a better player or not, who knows?
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: June 22, 2018 at 07:26 PM (#5698204)
Also, the whole "he could hit more home runs if he wanted to" is pure silliness. Wouldn't every player do this if it were actually possible (which it isn't)?


I'm fairly certain that most players in the majors could have hit more homeruns if they wanted, but their overall value would have gone down as they would probably be sacrificing multiple singles, walks and doubles to get that to happen. And increasing their number of strikeouts, including in situations that that is a difference.

The real argument is "could Ichiro(or any player) have been more valuable if they decided to hit for more homeruns?"

(agree with post 8)

He chose a path of offensive execution that is going to get him into two hall of fames, made him one of the most famous people on the planet and allowed him to give inspirational all star talks.... Unlike Donovan, he didn't choose poorly.
   10. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 22, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5698244)
Please make this happen if for no other reason than to end this endless silly debate.


How would hitting batting practice homers end the debate on whether someone could hit more homers in actual games if they could only be bothered to?
   11. bookbook Posted: June 23, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5698345)
I truly believe a young Ichiro could have hit .240 with 30 home runs a year—and more walks than he ever took. That would have been less valuable than what he actually did, but maybe not massively so.
   12. McCoy Posted: June 23, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5698347)
Compare 2005 to 2008 for Ichiro. In 2005 he bats .303 and has 15 homers In 2008 he bats .310 with 6 homers. It is 5 Rbat to 6 Rbat. Now if you compare it to one of his great seasons like 2007 where he bats .351 and hits 6 homers with a 17 Rbat 2005 comes up short but you would then need to double his homers and increase his walks. So possibly a typcial 30 homer year might come up short against a great Ichiro year but in all probability a great slugging Ichiro would surpass a great original Ichiro year.
   13. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: June 23, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5698369)
The only reason I will accept for this not happening is if Ichiro himself decides he'd rather not.
   14. dlf Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5698383)
Back in 1983, I was living in San Diego and happened to go to a Padres - Braves game when they had a pre-game HRD. The teams each had a couple of active player participants. I remember the Braves sent out Murphy and Horner. Garvey was scheduled to do so for the Pads, but it was the day after his NL record consecutive game streak had ended due to injury so he was replaced by someone like Kurt Bevaqua. But the highlight for me was having two retired players participate. I don't remember the Braves' choice, but San Diego had one time slugger Nate Colbert take a few swings almost 10 years after retiring. It was fun to watch.

So why not have Ichiro take a couple of swings in something that has zero meaning? Heck, if Cal Ripken can go back to Short for an inning in the ASG in his last year, why not.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5698385)
Are there are "I am SO tired of Ichiro" support groups out there?
asking for a friend
   16. bookbook Posted: June 23, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5698394)
Man, your friend is an idiot for continually reading the clearly marked Ichiro threads. There really is no helping his hypothetical self.
   17. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: June 23, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5698469)
Also, the whole "he could hit more home runs if he wanted to" is pure silliness. Wouldn't every player do this if it were actually possible (which it isn't)?
Why wouldn't it be possible? The question is whether it would be beneficial, not whether it would be possible.

Babe Ruth has been quoted as saying, "If I'd tried for them dinky singles I could've batted around six hundred." Ichiro would probably be more like "If I'd tried for them whopping homers I could've batted around two hundred."
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: June 23, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5698490)
your friend is an idiot for continually reading the clearly marked Ichiro threads.

he says that even seeing his name in headlines is aggravating, so he asked me to check in. he says Ichiro's career was remarkable enough that it would seem impossible to oversell the guy - and yet there it is.
   19. McCoy Posted: June 23, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5698492)
Frank Thomas in the latter half of his career gave up on a high batting average and basically sold out for the home run. Despite injuries and old age he averaged 25 Rbat per 650 PA from 2001 to 2008. A .262 batting average and 37 homers per 162 games.
   20. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: June 23, 2018 at 05:43 PM (#5698520)
he says that even seeing his name in headlines is aggravating
Well, frankly that's a bit silly, and in any case, it's your friend's problem, not everyone else's. Serious suggestion: Maybe your friend should try mindfulness meditation.
   21. QLE Posted: June 24, 2018 at 04:43 AM (#5698615)
#18-

Any more aggravating that the current thread in the sidebar that more or less openly acts as if Mike Trout is entitled to World Series rings on all his fingers? More or less aggravating that the treatment of Billy Beane and Bill James as secular saints, when the former has been acting for years as the sort of shakedown artist we rightly blast everywhere else in baseball and the latter is coasting on decades-old work and in many respects has become the sort of guy he used to inveigh against?

Point being, if we were to veto every article or idea that someone has an objection to, we might as well pack the tent and go home, as there'd be nothing left.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: June 24, 2018 at 06:35 AM (#5698620)
I gotta say, when I submitted this article I expected a much more light-hearted thread. The "Ichiro could if he wanted to..." is such a familiar joke on the site that the last thing I expected was for people to debate the topic seriously.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: June 24, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5698644)
Are there are "I am SO tired of Ichiro" support groups out there?
asking for a friend


Shouldn't your friend have founded his own by now? That guy has been carping about Ichiro exhaustion for like half a decade.
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 24, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5698656)
Serious suggestion: Maybe your friend should try mindfulness meditation.
Indeed. I bet your friend could overcome his Ichiro sensitivity if he wanted to.
   25. CFiJ Posted: June 24, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5698711)
Indeed. I bet your friend could overcome his Ichiro sensitivity if he wanted to.


*slow clap*
   26. Greg Pope Posted: June 24, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5698800)
Well, frankly that's a bit silly, and in any case, it's your friend's problem, not everyone else's.

To be fair, he didn’t ask us to stop posting about Ichiro, he asked for a support group. So his friend does seem to realize that it’s his own problem.

I mean, the goal of AA isn’t to get everyone else in the world to stop drinking.
   27. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 24, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5698806)
I expected a much more light-hearted thread.


How about Ichiro simul-Derbying at another site, on another network?
   28. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 24, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5698807)
Double post.
   29. Greg Pope Posted: June 24, 2018 at 08:20 PM (#5698881)
Also, the whole "he could hit more home runs if he wanted to" is pure silliness. Wouldn't every player do this if it were actually possible (which it isn't)?

Aren’t we seeing this now? All the talk about launch angles and altering swings is exactly “he could not more home runs if he wanted to”.

I have no doubt Ichiro could have hit more home runs if he ditched his slap swing and went for the fences. Would he be premier power hitter? Doubtful. Would his BA have suffered? Almost certainly.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: June 24, 2018 at 09:00 PM (#5698891)
24 and 26 are very well-played, says my friend
   31. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: June 27, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5700665)
. . . I expected a much more light-hearted thread.


Ichiro could have made this thread light-hearted if he had wanted to.

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