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Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Mariners release Randy Wolf under weird circumstances - SBNation.com

I am listening to MLB Radio on Sirius (which I really like, BTW) and they were talking about this issue. The host was worked up about the way Seattle handled the situation. I don’t get it. They are working within the CBA. As you might expect, Wolf wanted the rest of his contract guaranteed. The Mariners weren’t prepared to do that. The Mariners offered a bridge contract. He didn’t like it. They cut him, which they could have done without the 45-day offer. Had Wolf pitched better in the spring, does anyone really think the Mariners wouldn’t have held onto him?

Seattle insisted that Wolf sign a 45-day waiver, the 37-year-old southpaw told Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune, as a condition of breaking camp with the team. Wolf refused to oblige because he felt the deal he signed with the team last month was fair on its own. He explained to Dutton:

“I principally objected to that because we negotiated in good faith in February on a very team-friendly contract.”

The team cut Wolf as a result of his refusal to agree to the waiver, which would have allowed the Mariners to release him within 45 days of the start of the regular season without being on the hook for his full salary, according to Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times. The arrangement is something rarely talked about but fairly common in MLB, according to former MLB pitcher and current Fox Sports analyst C.J. Nitkowski, who also posted a good explanation of the waiver on Twitter.

Jim Furtado Posted: March 26, 2014 at 08:54 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4677138)
Atlanta will listen, Randy. Atlanta will listen.
   2. Jim Furtado Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4677142)
Are you sure you want him in Atlanta?
   3. silhouetted by the sea Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:21 AM (#4677143)
Fox Sports analyst C.J. Nitkowski, who also posted a good explanation of the waiver on Twitter.

Must have been a complex explanation. If that does not sum up Fox Sports, I don't know what does.
   4. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4677147)
Is the weird circumstance that he's Randy Wolf and isn't that good anymore?

MLB Radio on Sirius (which I really like, BTW)


Just want to add in that I agree with the parenthetical. It's the one place where I can get baseball news where the people seem to actually like baseball. The ESPNs and Foxes of the world don't seem to enjoy baseball at all.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4677150)
I have never heard of this bridge arrangements before, but a few players have already signed this this spring - Dice-K, Bob Abreu, for two examples.
   6. zonk Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:34 AM (#4677153)
I was disappointed in the story after the headline...

I thought perhaps he was released atop the space needle or maybe they sent him his papers via carrier pigeon.
   7. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4677166)
"Lord Wolf...a raven from Seattle."
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4677170)
I was disappointed in the story after the headline...


You might have also thought a bunch of sailors had just let loose a wild horny canine under odd circumstances.
   9. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4677180)
Are you sure you want him in Atlanta?


No. But Cory Gearrin just joined the "I broke my wookie" parade so we're down a crap middle reliever now too.
   10. zonk Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4677181)
You might have also thought a bunch of sailors had just let loose a wild horny canine under odd circumstances.


Heh... that would have been a pretty good story, too.
   11. billyshears Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4677207)
I thought the weird circumstance was that he was released five years ago and no one ever told him about it, but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still got a paycheck. Then the Mariners just fixed the glitch so it will all work out naturally.
   12. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4677210)
"Lord Wolf...a raven from Seattle."


Well played.
   13. eddieot Posted: March 26, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4677234)
MLB Radio on Sirius (which I really like, BTW)

Just want to add in that I agree with the parenthetical. It's the one place where I can get baseball news where the people seem to actually like baseball.


Completely concur. Very knowledgeable hosts. I like Memolo amd Hollandsworth in the a.m. drive slot and I especially like Casey Stern and Jim Bowden in the p.m. drive. MLB Radio's spring training coverage has been outstanding in general.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4677243)
"Lord Wolf...a raven from Seattle."


...but before we hear what it says, here's 50 needless pages about some character's boring boat trip half a world away.
   15. Kurt Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4677254)
Is the weird circumstance that he's Randy Wolf and isn't that good anymore?


The weird circumstance is that he was told he made the team, and while he's not that good the Mariners had decided he was one of their five best starters. You'd think a #5 starter would merit a full-season contract.
   16. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4677270)
You might have also thought a bunch of sailors had just let loose a wild horny canine under odd circumstances.


I just wish there was a player nicknamed the Kraken. Then we could get the article title "[Team] Releases the Kraken."
   17. zonk Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4677275)

I just wish there was a player nicknamed the Kraken. Then we could get the article title "[Team] Releases the Kraken."


We need to start trying to tag fringey players with the nickname "hound" just so two of them can someday end up in the same camp together and the title can be "[Team] Releases the Hounds"
   18. The District Attorney Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4677282)
I just wish there was a player nicknamed the Kraken.
There is in football.

Robothal sides with Wolf. Most likely, one of the dynamics in the reaction to this is the continuing narrative that Jack Zoidberg is a monstrous human being (c.f. Tony Blengino's comments a while back), and that the Seattle front office is generally bad at their jobs. It might be treated a little differently if it were a different team.

That said, naturally players like Nitkowski are going to feel that veterans like Wolf have earned the right to be treated with more respect than fringe minor leaguers, even if according to the CBA, they really haven't. And since the players are the ones who win you games, Robothal is probably right that there's more to be lost in "good faith" than gained financially by the Mariners here.
   19. zonk Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4677287)
Most likely, one of the dynamics in the reaction to this is the continuing narrative that Jack Zoidberg is a monstrous human being


What do you expect from a lobster from outer space?
   20. andrewberg Posted: March 26, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4677298)
15- He is one of their 5 best SP right now, but they also expect to get Iwakuma and Walker back in mid-April. Do you guarantee $500,000 for a small upgrade on your #7 starter? It is a fair question.
   21. Mark S. is bored Posted: March 26, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4677307)
Fox Sports analyst C.J. Nitkowski, who also posted a good explanation of the waiver on Twitter.


Must have been a complex explanation. If that does not sum up Fox Sports, I don't know what does.


Nitkowski posted an image to Twitter which had a much longer explanation.
   22. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: March 26, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4677324)
I just wish there was a player nicknamed the Kraken.


Braves fans have been calling Craig Kimbrel the Kraken for years.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4677333)
You might have also thought a bunch of sailors had just let loose a wild horny canine under odd circumstances.


As opposed to the usual circumstances under which a bunch of sailors let loose a wild horny canine, which of course wouldn't be newsworthy.
   24. Kurt Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4677342)
15- He is one of their 5 best SP right now, but they also expect to get Iwakuma and Walker back in mid-April. Do you guarantee $500,000 for a small upgrade on your #7 starter? It is a fair question.


Right - its an unusual circumstance, not an outrageous miscarriage of justice.
   25. zonk Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4677353)

Right - its an unusual circumstance, not an outrageous miscarriage of justice.


You mean like a wild, horny canine on the loose rather than an abandoned-from-a-puppy-mill horny canine?
   26. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4677363)
What if you have a wild horny piscine on the hook, but are just fishing for sport? What makes an unusual circumstance for releasing Randy Bass?

Maybe something like this:

Bass is also famous in Japan for the "Curse of the Colonel." Following the 1985 Series victory, revelers celebrated by calling off the names of team members one by one. At each name, a fan who looked like that player would jump into the filthy Dotonbori canal. For Bass, someone threw a life-sized model of Colonel Sanders, the mascot of Kentucky Fried Chicken and the only close-at-hand likeness of a bearded American, into the river. The statue disappeared and is said to have caused the subsequent decade-long dismal performance in the Central League.
   27. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4677376)

Bass is also famous in Japan for the "Curse of the Colonel." Following the 1985 Series victory, revelers celebrated by calling off the names of team members one by one. At each name, a fan who looked like that player would jump into the filthy Dotonbori canal. For Bass, someone threw a life-sized model of Colonel Sanders, the mascot of Kentucky Fried Chicken and the only close-at-hand likeness of a bearded American, into the river. The statue disappeared and is said to have caused the subsequent decade-long dismal performance in the Central League.


Wait, that is true? That is ####### awesome.
   28. JJ1986 Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4677379)
The entire AL West is having its rotations fall apart.

The Mariners are starting Blake Beavan, rookie James Paxton and never-pitched-above-AA rookie Roenis Elias.
The A's are down Parker and Griffin and have been forced to turn to Jesse Chavez.
The Rangers have an injured Darvish, Colby Lewis and Tommy Hanson failed to make the club, Tanner Scheppers is their opening day starter, and they are carrying someone named Nick Martinez and probably the just released Scott Baker.
The Astros only have 3 real starting pitchers.

It's good to be the Angels right about now.
   29. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4677386)
Wait, that is true? That is ####### awesome.


I'd never heard of it until I stumbled upon Randy Bass' wiki page as part of my hamfisted continuation of the Randy jokes.
   30. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4677395)

I'd never heard of it until I stumbled upon Randy Bass' wiki page as part of my hamfisted continuation of the Randy jokes.


And we are all richer for your stumbles throughout the time sinks that are Wikipedia links.
   31. bobm Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4677408)
Can't imagine the Mariners will enjoy having Jim Wolf umpire their games too much.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4677412)
Looks like Randy Lerch was released by the Phillies in 1986. Good thing the spelling was slightly different, because man, this guy woulda done some damage.
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4677439)
Wait, that is true? That is ####### awesome.


Yeah, it's real. They've actually dredged the river to recover the statue and everything.
   34. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4677448)
   35. zonk Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4677521)
Perhaps I missed it over the years...

But with the horny canine's career winding down, it suddenly feels we actually missed a lot of BBTF opportunity over the years with him...
   36. The District Attorney Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4677531)
Looks like Randy Lerch was released by the Phillies in 1986. Good thing the spelling was slightly different, because man, this guy woulda done some damage.
And in those happier times, we would have been able to get more than 15 seconds per at-bat of this.
   37. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4677534)

But with the horny canine's career winding down, it suddenly feels we actually missed a lot of BBTF opportunity over the years with him...


Nah. An unusual-animal joke would never have become a meme around here.
   38. Zach Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4677536)
But with the horny canine's career winding down, it suddenly feels we actually missed a lot of BBTF opportunity over the years with him...

Not to mention Randy Johnson.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:51 PM (#4677538)
Not to mention Randy Johnson.


Did he ever play with Randy Bush?
   40. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4677558)
Unfortunately no. According to Oracle of Baseball, this is the closest link:
Randy Johnson played with Paul Abbott for the 1998 Seattle Mariners   

Paul Abbott played with Randy Bush 
for the 1990 Minnesota Twins 


Edit: So after reloading a bunch of times I got Jim Dwyer who was team mates with both players in 1989.
   41. Zach Posted: March 26, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4677571)
The most amusing chain I could come up with is Randy Johnson -> Lance Parrish -> Rusty Kuntz

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