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Thursday, December 05, 2013

Mariners willing to offer Robinson Cano a 10-year, $240 million deal

Seattle: The killing just got renewed.

Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes reports that Robinson Cano flew to Seattle to meet with the Mariners today and they’re willing to offer him a 10-year contract worth as much as $240 million.

Previous reports claim the Yankees aren’t willing to go as high as $200 million, so if Rojas’ information is correct the money isn’t even close.

Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik predictably declined to comment about Cano specifically when asked yesterday, but was surprisingly open about the possibility of making a huge splash in free agency and sure sounded like someone who thought he had a real chance to land the second baseman.

Repoz Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:33 PM | 101 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:38 PM (#4611345)
What the ####.
   2. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:38 PM (#4611346)
He should go to Boston and play 1B.

   3. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:40 PM (#4611348)
Good luck with that.
   4. tfbg9 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:42 PM (#4611349)
That's a lotta wool hats and cappuccinos.
   5. Sonic Youk Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4611351)
It would be one thing if all the money in the game was leading to a big AAV spike, but all these years are just stupid. Smart teams should just avoid top tier FA like the plague.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4611353)
But think of the chance to brand your image in New York.
   7. Bob Tufts Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4611357)
Jay Z and Jack Z......"on to the next one"
   8. Tim D Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4611358)
Still betting the Yanks come up with the jack to keep him. Kelly Johnson at 2b? Not.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:49 PM (#4611359)
Oh snap.
   10. Publius Publicola Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:50 PM (#4611361)
It would be sweet if he signs with Seattle. Yankee fans would finally know what it feels like to have a homegrown star get scoffed up by a well-heeled vulture.
   11. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:51 PM (#4611362)
Still betting the Yanks come up with the jack to keep him. Kelly Johnson at 2b? Not.


If so, way to go Seattle. In fact there are no losers here (unless Seattle "Wins" the auction).
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:53 PM (#4611364)
Wonder what Mystery Team counters with.
   13. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 05, 2013 at 05:56 PM (#4611365)
It would be one thing if all the money in the game was leading to a big AAV spike, but all these years are just stupid.

Wayne Garland asks, "What could possibly go wrong?"
   14. Jeltzandini Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4611371)
Guess we'll see what's hidden in "as much as." If nothing, yeesh. He's 31!
   15. SG Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:06 PM (#4611375)
Losing Cano makes it awfully hard for the Yankees to contend, but no way in hell I give him 10 years.
   16. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4611378)
Holy ####. What is the game coming to when poor teams like the Yankees can't afford to keep their homegrown stars?
   17. Scott Ross Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4611379)
As a Sox fan I'm torn between wanting the Yanks to start Kelley Johnson at 2B next year or watching Cano's contract become a massive albatross for the Bombers. It's like Sophie's Choice!
   18. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4611385)
I'd MUCH rather see the Yankees lose Cano. I think if they lose Cano their path to contention gets a hell of a lot longer next year and I'm pretty sure they can handle the albatross contracts. Hell, they had a bunch of 'em last year (A-Rod, Tex, Jeter, even CC to a certain extent) and won 85 games.
   19. Willie Mayspedes Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4611389)
As an A's fan I am hoping he take this offer from the Mariners.
   20. Dale Sams Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:18 PM (#4611398)
The Yankees could afford a 300 million dollar payroll. Kelley Johnson playing is a much better choice than seeing Cano in NY
   21. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:18 PM (#4611399)
10-year contract worth as much as $240 million.


Wow, I had deja vu all over again! It's got Albert Pujols part deux written all over it; and I like Cano. I think he's an awesome ballplayer and I have no basis for that Pujols reference other then the gobs of cash and the 10 years on the table.

So NY is looking at an IF of A-rod, Jeter, Johnson and Tex....oh my.

   22. SG Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4611408)
The Yankees could afford a 300 million dollar payroll. Kelley Johnson playing is a much better choice than seeing Cano in NY


Yeah, except it's not one or the other. It's Cano at 2B or it's Johnson at 2B and a better player at one of the other positions of need with the money that would have gone to Cano.
   23. guajolote2 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4611416)
No state income tax in WA makes the gap even a bit wider.
   24. Dale Sams Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4611418)
A 250 million dollar payroll:

3B Uribe
SS Drew
2B Cano
1B Teixiera
LF Gardner
CF Ellsbury
RF Soriano
C McCann
DH Jeter

Rotation: Sabathia, Kuroda, Garza, Jiminez, Santana (Ervin or Johan. Who cares?)
   25. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:33 PM (#4611422)
I AM MUCH TOO DRUNK TO DECIDE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.

BUT RIGHT NOW I LOVE IT.

I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT BACK WHEN I'M SOBER / HE INEVITABLY USES THIS OFFER ONLY FOR LEVERAGE.
   26. Dale Sams Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4611423)
For Seattle, the day that a 240 million dollar player graced its franchise, was the most important day of its life. For New York...it was Tuesday.
   27. TRBMB Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4611429)
Yup, signed on with Agent Crack Dealer to expand the Cano brand. Lots of room for it to grow in Puget Sound. Where no one will even notice while he fades into oblivion.
   28. tfbg9 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4611430)
Age 40, PA leaders:

1. Dave Winfield 670 1992
2. Sam Rice 669 1930
3. Eddie Murray 637 1996
4. R. Maranville 635 1932
5. Cap Anson 630 1892
6. Honus Wagner 616 1914
7. George Brett 612 1993
8. Darrell Evans 609 1987
9. Craig Biggio 607 2006
10. Edgar Martinez 603 2003
   29. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:44 PM (#4611438)
LOL. Back in October, Peter Gammons was swearing up and down and left and right that the era of Pujols-style contracts were over.

It would be sweet if he signs with Seattle. Yankee fans would finally know what it feels like to have a homegrown star get scoffed up by a well-heeled vulture.

I can't wait to hear YR's latest bleating about "revenue stealing" should it go down.
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:47 PM (#4611443)
SS Drew


did I miss something?
   31. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:48 PM (#4611445)
Previous reports claim the Yankees aren’t willing to go as high as $200 million, so if Rojas’ information is correct the money isn’t even close.


There is one thing Seattle can't offer Cano: Manhattan.

I do wonder whether something weird is going on with Safeco. It's been tough to hit there.
   32. Dale Sams Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:48 PM (#4611446)
did I miss something?


No, I was just piecing together a videogame lineup for the Yanks.
   33. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 06:57 PM (#4611454)
There is one thing Seattle can't offer Cano: Manhattan.

Aren't the schools better in the Pacific Northwest?
   34. tfbg9 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:00 PM (#4611457)
I can't wait to hear YR's latest bleating about "revenue stealing" should it go down.


It aint goin' down. No way.
   35. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:01 PM (#4611458)
Yeah, except it's not one or the other. It's Cano at 2B or it's Johnson at 2B and a better player at one of the other positions of need with the money that would have gone to Cano.

But it's a better player at some other position who is almost certainly significantly worse than Cano. I mean, Cano is currently roughly a 7 win a year player? Is there anyone left on the FA market who even projects to 5?

   36. SG Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4611465)
I mean, Cano is currently roughly a 7 win a year player? Is there anyone left on the FA market who even projects to 5?


I had Cano projected in the 5.5 win range, and nope, there's no one close to that. Second was Ellsbury at around 4, third was McCann. I didn't have any other free agent within 2.5 wins of Cano.

But Johnson might be a 2 win player, so if they can get a 3.5 wins somewhere else(rotation would be one spot), maybe it's a wash, and you don't have Cano signed for $24M a year for his ages 37-41 season.
   37. tfbg9 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4611466)
I mean, Cano is currently roughly a 7 win a year player?


Does he project to 7 wins?
   38. Publius Publicola Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4611469)
Take that, Scott Boras!
   39. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4611471)
I had Cano projected in the 5.5 win range, and nope, there's no one close to that. Second was Ellsbury at around 4, third was McCann. I didn't have any other free agent within 2.5 wins of Cano.

But Johnson might be a 2 win player, so if they can get a 3.5 wins somewhere else(rotation would be one spot), maybe it's a wash, and you don't have Cano signed for $24M a year for his ages 37-41 season.


You've undoubtedly got a better system than I (as I have no projection system other than eyeball and guess), but 2 wins seems extremely optimistic for Johnson as he's been at 1.7, 1.7, and 1.3 (in admittedly reduced PT for 2013) over the last three years, and he'll be 32 next season as a certainly non-elite player.

I don't disagree about the ages 37-41 thing, but the Yankees haven't historically been too concerned about dead years at the end of contracts, and always seem to find a way to still come up with more cash for whoever the newest shiny toy is.
   40. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4611475)
He's resigning with the Yanks. This is fun though.
   41. Nasty Nate Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:24 PM (#4611476)
It would be one thing if all the money in the game was leading to a big AAV spike, but all these years are just stupid.


10 years at $24m per is better for the team than 8/30 or 7/34.
   42. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4611478)
Rosenthal tweets that Cano asked for that amount but the M's offer never went over 200. So, reality.
   43. SG Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4611479)
but 2 wins seems extremely optimistic for Johnson as he's been at 1.7, 1.7, and 1.3 (in admittedly reduced PT for 2013) over the last three years, and he'll be 32 next season as a certainly non-elite player.


Yeah, that's why I said might be a 2 win player. The assumption is that he'd play full-time and take advantage of DNYS's homer-boosting for lefty hitters. 1.5 is probably a more realistic estimate.

but the Yankees haven't historically been too concerned about dead years at the end of contracts


But George is gone, and Hal apparently is concerned about this kind of stuff now. But the Yankees are going to have an awfully tough time building a contender in 2014 if they don't sign Cano, which makes the signings of McCann and Ellsbury somewhat useless.
   44. Jim Wisinski Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:31 PM (#4611482)
I'll repost what I said in another thread about how I'd feel about this rumored deal if I was a Mariners fan

I think I'd like that move if I was a Mariners fan. Sure, any big money long-term deal for a guy already in this thirties is pretty risky but A) The team can afford it B) They're going to suck anyway so who cares if they're risking a bunch of money? C) At least Zduriencik would be acquiring an actual good player D) If a bunch of things happen to break right while the A's and Rangers suddenly have down years at the same time maybe the combo of Hernandez + Cano would be enough star talent to push them into the playoff hunt E) Sure, that money could be used for multiple other players who could add up to being more valuable than Cano but if they tried to do that it would probably just involve Yuniesky Betancourt anyway.

I suppose the concern would be that if Zduriencik is fired soon and they hire a quality replacement then the new guy's hands could be tied a bit by having an expensive, aging player in the latter half of Cano's contract but if I'm a Seattle fan just hoping for something worth rooting for then that worry is pretty far down my list.
   45. Scott Ross Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4611483)
10 years at $24m per is better for the team than 8/30 or 7/34.


How so? Those 1-year, $30 million contracts Jordan used to sign seemed to me like the way to go, pay beyond-top-dollar, but minimize your dead wood.
   46. Nasty Nate Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4611484)
How so?


free years at the end
   47. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:46 PM (#4611489)
But George is gone, and Hal apparently is concerned about this kind of stuff now. But the Yankees are going to have an awfully tough time building a contender in 2014 if they don't sign Cano, which makes the signings of McCann and Ellsbury somewhat useless.


Yeah, I can't understand the point of signing McCann and Ellsbury if they don't also sign Cano. Without Cano, it would feel a lot like treading water.

As for the money, it seems like Hal should be using it as a hammer, rather than worrying about it. They're the Yankees. There's always a way for them to get more money.
   48. Publius Publicola Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:52 PM (#4611490)
Is there any bad blood between Cano and the Yankees? He doesn't say much but he doesn't seem thrilled about his current situation either.
   49. madvillain Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:52 PM (#4611491)
How so? Those 1-year, $30 million contracts Jordan used to sign seemed to me like the way to go, pay beyond-top-dollar, but minimize your dead wood.


Inflation (both in baseball money supply and in general) and by deferring the money it allows them to invest it elsewhere for the time being -- 3% interest on a couple million over a decade adds up pretty quickly.
   50. madvillain Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:53 PM (#4611492)

Is there any bad blood between Cano and the Yankees? He doesn't say much but he doesn't seem thrilled about his current situation either.


yea, they just slapped him on the face with the ellsbury contract.
   51. zonk Posted: December 05, 2013 at 07:54 PM (#4611493)
I'm in no way claiming he'd come close to Cano and sure have a backup an in Kelly Johnson, and finally, I know his 2013 was frustrating, but why has Corban Joseph been reduced to flotsam? I always liked him as well... A younger, not as good, but potentially same sort of player as Cano.
   52. SG Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:00 PM (#4611495)
I think there's a lot of concern about Joseph's glove. I think he deserves a chance to show if he can stick at the position though, because he might have enough bat to be a decent 2B if he can.

In a world where a 95 win Yankee team was losing a player like Cano, they could conceivably throw Joseph into the mix at 2B and see if it works. In this world, where a 79 win Yankee team (if you go by run differential) is losing their best player, that's not going to satiate an already disgruntled fan base.
   53. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:00 PM (#4611496)
yea, they just slapped him on the face with the ellsbury contract.


Or they told him they were dedicated to winning by signing another star.
   54. Lars6788 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:02 PM (#4611497)
Having read the most damning reports about Cano as a prospect, if this were to happen, wouldn't things have come full circle?
   55. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:04 PM (#4611502)
but why has Corban Joseph been reduced to flotsam?


Because he's a 25-year-old tweener who hit like crap in AAA last year? I'm going with that as my final answer.
   56. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4611506)
Echoing #42, it's important to realize that the Mariners have NOT, in fact, offered the contract in the headline or anything close to it. It sounds much more like 10/240 is what Jay-Z asked for and the Mariners said "well, we'll think about it."

I won't be shocked if they actually offer 10 years at a lower per-annum, 10/225 perhaps, but the Yankees will match it and Cano will stay put.
   57. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4611530)
I'll go on the record here - if Seattle signs him, he'll be a Yankee sooner or later.
   58. Publius Publicola Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4611534)
yea, they just slapped him on the face with the ellsbury contract.


The Yankee version of TVerik's "kiss-off"?
   59. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 05, 2013 at 08:53 PM (#4611540)
10 years at $24m per is better for the team than 8/30 or 7/34.

There's no reason a seven-year contract should have to match the 10-year total to make it worth his while. I'm sure something like 7/196 -- more money up front, plus "highest AAV in history!" braggability -- would get his attention.
   60. Lassus Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:17 PM (#4611560)
yea, they just slapped him on the face with the ellsbury contract.

Literally? Because that would be amazingly hilarious.
   61. The District Attorney Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:26 PM (#4611561)
It would be one thing if all the money in the game was leading to a big AAV spike, but all these years are just stupid.
Jack Z will get fired in approximately zero more years if this team doesn't improve. So.
   62. madvillain Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:31 PM (#4611563)
Literally? Because that would be amazingly hilarious.


That would be awesome, perhaps an idea for the Next Jay Z video concept.

_______________

As for the Mariners, I hope to hell this is true and they do it. Yea it's an overpay, but you're making the 2014 team 5 wins better and you might just squeak into the 2nd wild card with a little luck, thereby building momentum with the fans and future FAs.

If they sign him and Tanaka they might actually have a pretty good shot at the playoffs -- and -- critically for the future payrolls -- an exciting ball club with a buzz around it in the PNW.

   63. Jay Z Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:39 PM (#4611569)
Inflation (both in baseball money supply and in general) and by deferring the money it allows them to invest it elsewhere for the time being -- 3% interest on a couple million over a decade adds up pretty quickly.


You know anyone getting 3% interest today? What happens if there's deflation?
   64. Baldrick Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4611575)
You know anyone getting 3% interest today?

People who have invested their money in the stock market.
   65. bookbook Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:50 PM (#4611576)
Mariners sign Cano and Tanaka, trade Walker, Franklin, and a couple more B prospects for Stanton. Suddenly they're not so far away from looking like a legit contender for a few years
   66. puck Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4611579)
Rosenthal tweet:

Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal

Keep in mind: #Mariners have very low payroll commitments and new TV deal reportedly worth $2 billion over 17 years starting in 2014.
   67. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 09:54 PM (#4611580)
I hadn't realized Stanton was on the market that cheap. The Marlins' GM, whoever he is, must be up all night and all day fielding the calls.
   68. Bob Tufts Posted: December 05, 2013 at 10:13 PM (#4611598)
Conspiracy theory: Yanks are working with Boras to screw over Cano for leaving Boras for Jay Z and for better access to players Scott represents now and in the future?
   69. bookbook Posted: December 05, 2013 at 10:21 PM (#4611604)
Touché, Paste.

Edited to remove specific silliness from my post.
   70. eddieot Posted: December 05, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4611615)
Conspiracy theory: Yanks are working with Boras to screw over Cano for leaving Boras for Jay Z and for better access to players Scott represents now and in the future?

My counter theory is that Jay-Z and Jack Z are in cahoots to drive up Cano's price. Jack Z, knowing that the Yankees will blink, gets to project the idea that he is doing everything to improve the M's, without the risk of Cano accepting. In return, future considerations from Roc Nation and CAA.

Or maybe I just watched too much "Arliss"
   71. Greg K Posted: December 05, 2013 at 10:43 PM (#4611616)
Updating on mlbtraderumors: Heyman saying the Mariners are offering 9/225
   72. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 05, 2013 at 10:57 PM (#4611621)
Well, if true, enjoy Seattle, Robbie, it's a wonderful city, one of the loveliest places in America in Summer ...
   73. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 05, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4611622)
Who was the last big free agent the Mariners signed from another team? Chone Figgins? Carlos Silva? Jarrod Washburn? I'm having trouble even thinking of a non-disastrous one.
   74. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2013 at 11:10 PM (#4611625)
Bret Boone was a free agent.
   75. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 05, 2013 at 11:19 PM (#4611629)
Adrian Beltre.
   76. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: December 05, 2013 at 11:23 PM (#4611631)
Beltre had just had that monster year with the Dodgers when he signed. The offense wasn't there (101 OPS+) but he still put up 21.2 bWAR over five years, not bad for $65 million.

edit: coke
   77. TerpNats Posted: December 05, 2013 at 11:52 PM (#4611643)
If Cano signs with the M's, he better enjoy jet travel, because Seattle does more of it than anyone else in MLB. It's not comparable to riding Amtrak to Baltimore or Boston.
   78. madvillain Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:02 AM (#4611648)

If Cano signs with the M's, he better enjoy jet travel, because Seattle does more of it than anyone else in MLB. It's not comparable to riding Amtrak to Baltimore or Boston.


That's like reason #29939 not to sign in Seattle.

I'd put "it's Seattle, a relative cow town compared to NYC" as say, top 10 not to sign.

Maybe Cano's really into mountaineering.
   79. madvillain Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:04 AM (#4611649)
You know anyone getting 3% interest today? What happens if there's deflation?


I think if the US cconomy is that bad, the Mariners (and all of us in general) got bigger problems than Robbie Cano's contract.
   80. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:05 AM (#4611651)
I thought of another one! Rich Aurilia!
   81. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:07 AM (#4611653)
Maybe Cano's really into mountaineering.


Maybe Cano is tired of an entire fan base suggesting he is lazy and wants a quieter life. The dude is 30 now, maybe he just wants to ratchet things down and work on building a HOF career. This talk about loss of endorsements is silly. If Seattle is offering $50 mil more I am sure that would cover any loss in endorsements. Coupled with the no state tax thing, that's another 10% saved right there.
   82. madvillain Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:13 AM (#4611657)
Coupled with the no state tax thing, that's another 10% saved right there.


Good point, for such a lovely so called "liberal" state, WA has a lovely little regressive tax system.

I'm rooting for this move partially just based on being a baseball fan, although not a Mariners fan really, currently living in Seattle. I think Seattle is a nice town, hell, I moved here after 5 years in NYC, I know what it's appeal is as a slowed down lifestyle.

If Cano is ready to grow old, Seattle is a nice place, and as a rich person, NYC is still only a 6 hour charter away.
   83. Nathaniel Dawson Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4611658)
Who was the last big free agent the Mariners signed from another team? Chone Figgins? Carlos Silva? Jarrod Washburn? I'm having trouble even thinking of a non-disastrous one.


Depends on what you mean by big and your definition of signing away from another team.

Aaron Sele and John Olerud were somewhat big signings that worked out well for them. Ichiro, if you want to consider that a big signing. And technically, they did sign him away from another team. Not a lot of dollars, but in terms of newsworthiness, it was a big deal. Beltre and Washburn would probably be considered big signings, and both worked out well.
   84. Moe Greene Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:28 AM (#4611665)
Good point, for such a lovely so called "liberal" state, WA has a lovely little regressive tax system.

Yes... for upper middle class liberals (of which there are a cubic assload in the Puget Sound area), it's the best of both worlds!
   85. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4611667)
Yes... for upper middle class liberals (of which there are a cubic assload in the Puget Sound area), it's the best of both worlds!


If you want the best of both worlds, you move down to Vancouver, WA. No state tax at home, and you can buy everything in Portland, which has no sales tax.
   86. Scott Ross Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4611668)
3% interest on a couple million over a decade adds up pretty quickly.

free years at the end


I understand that $24 million is worth progressively less, assuming inflation, but a spent piece of jet trash at 70 cents on the dollar is still a spent piece of jet trash.
   87. Shoebo Posted: December 06, 2013 at 01:41 AM (#4611683)
Really you just have to look at this as 7 years 34 million a year. If he actually lasts past year 7, it's free production and all gravy. ;)

EDIT

Danger Will Robinson
   88. ptodd Posted: December 06, 2013 at 01:46 AM (#4611684)
In terms of AAV the Yankees and Mariners are equal. Yankees simply have to tack on 2 more years and hope they have some cost controlled talent at the end of his deal to subsidize it. The LT threshold will probably be around 210 million by the time the last 2 years of his deal come up. What they lose on the back end they gain at the front end if he produces 6 WAR for the next 2-3 years.

My money is still on the Yankees to match. McCann and Ellsbury signings are wasted without Cano, and at 25 million AAV the cost of his 6 WAR in 2014 will be less than the 6 WAR they need to pick up to replace him, since shorter deals will cost about 6-7 million a W in 2014.

As for Cano, more endorsements for him in NY after Jeter leaves, less travel, he won't have to move. His accountants will seek creative ways to minimize his NY taxes. The fact he signed with Jay-Z suggests he may prefer the NY night life to Seattles, and its a better park to put up some good numbers over the next 9 years.
   89. TerpNats Posted: December 06, 2013 at 02:09 AM (#4611688)
We still don't know who that "mystery team" is. It could be Texas, although a decade after A-Rod, the Rangers may be reluctant to repeat that sort of contract. All I know is that I'd be shocked if it was from the NL, as the DH gives AL teams flexibility regarding the back end of really long contracts.
   90. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 06, 2013 at 02:27 AM (#4611692)
Robinson Cano has played nine years for the Yankees, many of them as a genuine star ballplayer. If he's not already raking in the endorsement dollars now, and I'm assuming he's not, is that going to meaningfully change over the next 5 years?

   91. The Ghost fouled out, but stays in the game Posted: December 06, 2013 at 02:38 AM (#4611694)
Jon Heyman says Seattle offered 225/9. Link.

Seattle should have gone after Ellsbury instead. He's a Northwest native, so hopefully easier to attract than Cano, though I'd assume they'd have had to go above the Yanks offer. More than that, the Mariners need a centerfielder, they already have two second basemen, Ackley and Franklin. They'll end up trading one or both of them for a bag of balls. And guy who isn't a power hitter would be less concerned about Safeco.
   92. Sonic Youk Posted: December 06, 2013 at 02:53 AM (#4611698)
If they really offered him that, either he signs tomorrow or he's bluffing about leaving NY.
   93. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 06, 2013 at 03:07 AM (#4611699)
Keep in mind: #Mariners have very low payroll commitments and new TV deal reportedly worth $2 billion over 17 years starting in 2014.


That's about $118M a year. Seems a bit high. But MLB is awash in dough.
   94. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 03:40 AM (#4611702)
and new TV deal reportedly worth $2 billion over 17 years starting in 2014.


God, if I were giving the M's TV money, I'd be very wary. There's likely to be a team in Portland and/or Vancouver within the next 20 years, basically halving their market.
   95. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:37 AM (#4611719)
If they really offered him that, either he signs tomorrow or he's bluffing about leaving NY.


Nah. The Yankees will match it.

The Yankees are never in a million years going to let a marquee free agent walk away.

I also tend to agree that if Cano were keen on leaving New York he wouldn't have ditched Boras (who is guaranteed to find him every last possible dollar, if that was what Cano wanted) for Jay-Z. Cano's priority here appears to be maximizing being famous. He's delusional if so, but New York is the only place to play that makes sense.
   96. bobm Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:35 AM (#4611732)
Conspiracy theory: Yanks are working with Boras to screw over Cano for leaving Boras for Jay Z and for better access to players Scott represents favorable coverage from Jon Heyman now and in the future?

FTFY :-)
   97. denDekker, Mattsui (jemile weeks) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:13 AM (#4611745)
Apparently a tenth year has now become a sticking point. I won't attempt to explain this so:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24366081/holdup-in-canomariners-talk-seattle-said-upset-he-didnt-accept
   98. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:23 AM (#4611752)
This is a big negotiation for Jay Z to make his bones on. That Seattle offer was fairly generous already and I imagine they made it to circumvent haggling, not to begin haggling.
   99. bartap74 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4611911)
Supposedly this is a done deal.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10089241/robinson-cano-agrees-deal-seattle-mariners
   100. SoCalDemon Posted: December 06, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4611975)
I don't think any of these deals are likely to work out that great, but I would much rather have 10 years of Cano than 5 years of McCann and 7 years of Ellsbury for my 240 million. I think that Cano will be worth it (in the 5 win range) for at least the first 4-5 years of this contract.
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