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1. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: December 24, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4331926)</head asplodes>
"If you think I’m being stubborn, illogical or naive, or you think I’m ducking the issue, you are CORRECT WITH those opinions."
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Unless it's someone who's going to get less than 5%.
The problem with his attempt to assuage his guilt with that statement is this year there are players who deserve full consideration who will fall off the ballot for failing to get the minimum 5% necessary to come back. So, for a guy like Lofton this is his 15th year.
Seriously, what lesson are you going to teach with this? Let's put this ballot right in the time machine to 1988 and 1998 so that Canseco and McGwire will learn their lesson and not do steroids?
I get that, and I'd applaud the principle if he said he'd NEVER vote for another HOF election. But choosing this one year to boycott is just grandstanding and juvenile.
While people who don't do this for a living are trying to rank the top 10 of about 12-15 quasi-worthy players this asshat decides that it's a good year to avoid the task altogether. This is my issue - that instead of deciding how he feels, how he should deal with steroids and his HOF vote this year, or even what his position is on the issue, he just passed. He took his ball and went home.
#### him.
It's lazy, unintelligent work from a person who doesn't deserve the opportunity to vote for something like the HOF.
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Even if guys make the 5% this year, with no one getting in (unless a major surge comes up) you have ...
HOF Locks (if not for PED): Clemens, Bonds, Maddux, Glavine, Thomas (all crossed 'magic numbers' and were Cy or MVP winners)
HOF Quality (same disclaimer): Mussina, Bagwell, Schilling, Walker, Trammell, Raines, Biggio, McGwire, Piazza
HOF Caliber but some voters don't like (lack of peak seasons, DH, etc.) : Palmeiro, Lofton, Edgar Martinez
Guys who'd normally get in but will wait and wait and wait: Sosa (600 HR a lock, but nothing else there), Kent (most HR for a 2B would've been big pre-PED)
Loved by writers for some reason: Jack Morris
So that covers a total of 5 no doubters, 9 who should be no brainers (sadly some voters are lacking), 3 of high talent but missing 'something', and 2 more who normally would get in plus Jack Morris. 19 guys who probably will be in someday. Now THAT is a crowded ballot. Then 4 more come in via Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez (locks), John Smoltz (HOF quality), and Sheffield (509 HR) not to mention Carlos Delgado who would've got tons of support with those numbers a few years ago.
Just so nutty. If no one gets in this year and next year we get more protest non-votes we could see 20+ future HOF'ers on the ballot. It has happened before, but not with this kind of quality since the early ballots. Ah well, should make for interesting articles and threads here.
Meanwhile, here's Willie Mays talking to a Muppet knockoff named Seymour back in '74. (Starts at 2:52.)
Respectfully disagree, Edmundo. We may find the Bagwell non-voter wrongheaded, but he is at least attempting a judgment on whether the player belongs in the Hall. Mark Faller is not. Entrusted with the privilege of helping to write baseball's history, he's not merely declining but tossing in a hand grenade to thwart all the hard work of the conscientious voters who have studied the data, listened to the debates and agonized over their ballots in an attempt to get that history as accurate as possible.
If his goal is to rescue the integrity of the Hall, he has failed miserably, because his ballot is doing the opposite.
Morris is now down to 58.3% and in 5th place.
You could quit writing about baseball. That would show those dirty cheaters that you're really angry, and it would protect the public from having to read any future articles about baseball.
But it's more than wrongheaded, IMO, if the voter is making a judgement that Bagwell's career is deserving if he didn't enhance his performance with PEDs but I'm not voting for him because I THINK he did them because he looked funny.
OK, but give me this: One is unwittingly doing harm to the integrity of the process, while the other is leading a (one-man?) charge against it.
The others I suspect will very likely all be clogging the ballot.
Do you track how voters' ballots compare to their own ballots from previous years? That is, has anybody in that sample removed Jack Morris from their ballot (or added Morris to their ballot) or is it just a slightly less Morris-friendly sample?
i continue to be confused as to why people think steroid users getting into the hall/already being in the hall is some sort of gotcha. Maybe this is how Ray feels all the time?
Disagree, I would rather see a protest vote than a guy who fills out a ballot and forgets that Rickey Henderson is on it. I can respect a protest vote, provided the person who is protesting writes SEVERAL articles on the protest. Gandhi didn't protest by fasting for one day, you can't protest by throwing out one article and then forgetting about it for the next 11 1/2 months.
So ... there are players who deserve your vote, you're just refusing to vote for them.
Out of anger.
Out of anger against an institution over which those deserving individuals had little or no control.
Out of anger against an institution over which those deserving individuals had little or no control for actions the institution did not take 20 years ago but has since taken.
Man, the baby, the bathwater and the little rubber ducky.
So why not vote for Kenny Lofton (Stealing 23 bases in less than 500 PA his last year proves he didn't do steroids? Highest career ISO was .187 at age 27? Maybe not). That would certainly be an abnormal ballot.
Oscar Madisoy did as well. Good thing we finally have an Japanese voter.
No, it's not. It's an expression of being an entitled baby throwing a tantrum, and nothing more. It's pathetic.
But there was a good reason to vote for Anderson: With your vote and others, Anderson was able to exceed 5% of the popular vote, which qualified him for matching federal campaign funds. Proving that a third-party candidate could get that money was -- or maybe just could have been -- an important development.
Virtually all of my family and friends, including myself, voted for Anderson. I still don't see how he lost. :-)
In exactly what way does sending in a blank ballot do anything to address, shame, or express anger about this? The powers-that-be are not on the ballot. They are not eligible. Nor are "us." Nor is baseball. Hall of Fame voters, on the other hand, are, to a large extent, on trial in the court of baseball fan opinion. I think you've just voted against yourself. - Brock Hanke
This guy thinks he's gonna bring the establishment to its knees by submitting a blank ballot? Here's a secret: nobody gives a flyin'...
This writer, however, is remiss for not sending his ballot in to send a message for "guidance". Since this writer is so focused on character, punishing older guys with good character references on the ballot [Dale Murphy/Don Mattingly/Alan Trammell]is also lame.
If Bagwell had been a one-dimensional player, there could be a case against him for the Hall. Because in fact Jeff Bagwell was one of the great all-around players of his time, there is no plausible case against him on the merits.
What is the evidence his body broke down? He played 156 games or more from his age 31-36 season, had an injury, and quit... I'm willing to bet you could find 20-30 hofers that didn't play full seasons after their age 36 year.
Oh please god no, I hope this is sarcastic.
Correct version should be:
- I don't deserve my Hall ballot. Ever again.
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