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Sunday, May 26, 2013

Mark McGwire likes what he sees from Cardinals

Here come Freese, he’s wearing a Cardinals shirt
Here comes Craig, y’know he’s sporting pure RBI plague
Androgenius.

“Absolutely, I always root for them,” McGwire said Saturday. “I’ve got a lot of time invested - great times - with those guys over there.

“It was a bit funny to watch them from the other side. But they’re really great hitters. Their offense is just stacked. It’s always been but ... it’s sort of different when you’re watching from the other side.

“You just go, ‘Oh, my gosh!’ Plus they’ve got a year’s more of experience, which is deadly for them. They’re smarter, better and stronger.”

...While McGwire was anticipating a Dodgers’ offensive burst, he was happy that Craig, who leads the Cardinals with 35 runs batted in, had burst onto the national scene.

“He’s a future All-Star for many years,” McGwire said. “A pure RBI guy like that is just born. When you see his average with men on and when there aren’t men on, it’s a mentality that you can’t teach. He’s had it. He’s always had it.”

Repoz Posted: May 26, 2013 at 09:00 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: May 26, 2013 at 09:36 AM (#4452350)
When you see his average with men on and when there aren’t men on, it’s a mentality that you can’t teach. He’s had it. He’s always had it.

So he's slacking off in situations where his team needs baserunners and he doesn't have a chance to pad his personal RBI stats? What a bum. Maybe he needs to spend some time with Pete Rose.
   2. bobm Posted: May 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM (#4452382)
Allen Craig, 2013 to date

                                                               
Split     G  PA AB  H HR RBI BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
RISP     31  52 45 19  0  30  3  6 .422 .462 .578 1.039  .463   160   179
---      46 104 98 22  3   3  5 19 .224 .269 .388  .657  .250    63    84
Men On   41  91 81 32  0  32  5 13 .395 .440 .531  .970  .457   143   163


   3. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4452422)
So he's slacking off in situations where his team needs baserunners and he doesn't have a chance to pad his personal RBI stats? What a bum. Maybe he needs to spend some time with Pete Rose.


Agreed, I always wonder when people say stuff like "he performs well in this situation..." realize what the true implication of such a statement? I can see praising a guy who has no drop off in performance as being able to handle the situation, but praising him because he exceeds in those situations implies a lack of effort other times.(If his skin was not white....would they be treating him differently?---assuming that it is as noticeable at the plate as it is in the numbers.)
   4. Squash Posted: May 26, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4452426)
McGwire was my favorite player as a kid, so I find it a little strange that his time with the A's seems to have been completely wiped from memory. Obviously the Cards are the last team he played for and there's the lingering memory of the home run chase, but he spent much more time with the A's and did win a championship with them.

Also noticed, from looking over his BBRef page, he started five games at 3rd in 1987, which would have made him eligible for 3B in most fantasy leagues in 1988. Must have made for some interesting drafts.
   5. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: May 26, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4452489)
McGwire was my favorite player as a kid, so I find it a little strange that his time with the A's seems to have been completely wiped from memory. Obviously the Cards are the last team he played for and there's the lingering memory of the home run chase, but he spent much more time with the A's and did win a championship with them.

Have perceptions really changed? I still think of him as an A first and foremost, but maybe I'm not typical.

Without having RTFA I assumed that McGwire was being asked about the Cards because he coached most of their hitters last year and arguably gets some credit for their success, more so than because he is now identified as a Cardinal.
   6. Gonfalon B. Posted: May 26, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4452509)
Also noticed, from looking over his BBRef page, he started five games at 3rd in 1987, which would have made him eligible for 3B in most fantasy leagues in 1988. Must have made for some interesting drafts.

Even better for fantasy purposes was when McGwire was hurting. LaRussa got into the habit of listing him as the starting 2B, giving him one at-bat in the top of the first, and then replacing him before the Cardinals took the field. Which is why none of McGwire's "appearances" at second base show up on his BBRef page.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: May 26, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4452522)

I don't know of any fantasy leagues where McGwire would qualify at 2B per your example, not even the "1 G only needed" leagues.

   8. Gonfalon B. Posted: May 26, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4452547)
Post #34 from this BTF thread offers one example. A friend of mine played in a league where McGwire's 2B eligibility wasn't allowed only because the guy in charge unilaterally invoked the extralegal "aw, come ON" clause.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: May 26, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4452667)
Over/under on the chances McGwire will replace Mattingly?
   10. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 26, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4452669)
Over/under on the chances McGwire will replace Mattingly?


Over/under on how long after this happens and the Dodgers are playing well that someone (TJ Simers? Verducci? Unsourced note in an Olney column?) asks if McGwire is feeding the Dodgers "his" steroids.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2013 at 06:27 PM (#4452686)
Have perceptions really changed? I still think of him as an A first and foremost, but maybe I'm not typical.


I'm a Cardinal fan, and McGwire is first an A's to me. I think the extra years along with the fact that they developed him is a big factor in determining how he is perceived.
   12. Perro(s) Posted: May 26, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4452748)
It'd be interesting to explore why certain hitters are so much better with men on or RISP, moreso than the average player. Obviously men on base add variables that the pitching/fielding team must then account for. A lesser player might benefit more from those changes than a more complete hitter.
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4452754)
It'd be interesting to explore why certain hitters are so much better with men on or RISP, moreso than the average player.


I thought that the studies have shown that the number of people that are better than expected was pretty much in line with statistical variance.
   14. Perro(s) Posted: May 26, 2013 at 09:12 PM (#4452760)
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin'.
   15. Perro(s) Posted: May 26, 2013 at 09:20 PM (#4452762)
Less cryptically, that kind of analysis always seems to miss the point of the question. Ballplayers aren't marbles on the roulette board. It seems much too easy to say Allen Craig is lucky.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4452798)
Less cryptically, that kind of analysis always seems to miss the point of the question. Ballplayers aren't marbles on the roulette board. It seems much too easy to say Allen Craig is lucky.


The problem is that there isn't that many players who repeat the skill year to year... I think you can count on one hand the guys who do, and you pretty much start and finish with Ryan Howard and Adrian Gonzalez.

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