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Saturday, August 25, 2012

Mark Teixeira: “This is what could happen”

“Stupid revenge is what’s making you stay”

“One of the reasons that I didn’t sign with Boston was they don’t offer full no-trade clauses,” Teixeira said. “I would hate, personally as a father and a husband, I would hate to uproot my family here in New York and get traded somewhere else. That’d be devastating. I could play baseball anywhere, really, but to have to uproot your family, that would be really tough. And Boston doesn’t give full no-trade clauses. This is what could happen.”

In the two years before signing that eight-year deal with the Yankees, Teixeira had been traded twice, so he went into that offseason fully aware of what it meant to be moved midseason.

“I tell people, the last two years before free agency, I was a gypsy,” he said. “I lived all over the place. So it’s not easy, it really isn’t, and that was one of the big reasons that I wanted a full no-trade clause.”

That no-trade clause, and the comfort in knowing that he won’t be part of a Red Sox-type blockbuster, has brought some comfort and stability.

“I have never once questioned my decision to come here,” Teixeira said. “This is the most amazing place to play baseball. Living in New York is unbelievable. But I’ll be honest with you, a no-trade clause helps because your family can set roots. You know that if you have a bad game, they’re not going to trade you. You know that even if your team might have a bad stretch, they’re not going to look at you as, ‘Oh, you’re the reason why. We’re getting rid of you.’ This is a tough business, and whether that trade goes through or not, just the fact that they’re talking about getting rid of three guys they committed to just shows that it’s all about winning. It’s not show-friends, it’s show-business.”

Repoz Posted: August 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4217871)
Oh, boo-#######-hoo. My family moved three times when I was a kid. Even more when it was just my sister. We turned out all right. What's more damaging is having your dad away from home all the time, if that's what we're worrying about now.
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4217874)
Oh, boo-#######-hoo. My family moved three times when I was a kid. Even more when it was just my sister. We turned out all right. What's more damaging is having your dad away from home all the time, if that's what we're worrying about now.

And we wonder why players usually choose not to voice their honest opinions in public.
   3. Dan Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4217875)
Of course 2 of the 3 guys traded by Boston DID have no-trade protection and waived it. And the third is being traded close to his home town. But yes, clearly they traded all three guys against their will.
   4. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4217883)
I know Beckett had 10-5 rights, so that's a kind of no-trade protection.
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4217884)
Do players on long term contracts still have the right to demand a trade or declare free agency if they are traded? I seem to recall Javier Vazquez exercising that right somewhere along his travels.
   6. Poster Nutbag Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4217885)
He's going to be one of those loud, cranky old-timers when the time comes, isn't he?

Should fit in nicely here.
   7. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4217909)
Do players on long term contracts still have the right to demand a trade or declare free agency if they are traded?


In one of the threads on the blockbuster, someone posted that that this went away two CBAs ago. The current CBA is here (PDF). The section on assignment of contracts starts on page 78.
   8. bunyon Posted: August 25, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4217918)
Hey, he's not saying it's immoral, just that Boston doesn't offer a perq that others do and that it's a perq he, himself, values. Thus, he didn't sign with them. It's certainly worth considering. I generally agree that no-trades make no sense for teams in the abstract. In reality they're dealing with human beings who have been moving around a lot at the beginning of their careers and many would probably like some security in that regard. Thus, it makes sense for a team to offer it.

As this trade shows, if your no-trade protected player is miserable, he'll probably okay a deal.




Vox, if your folks could have gotten a guarantee from their employer that they wouldn't be moved every few years, I suspect they'd have jumped at it.
   9. Darren Posted: August 25, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4217940)
Tex probably knows that people get sick of his face pretty quickly--good move getting the no trade.
   10. Blackadder Posted: August 25, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4217947)
I lived in six different places by the time I was twelve years old, and none of them close enough in distance or time for persistent friends. Yeah, as a kid you adjust, and it doesn't scar you for life or anything, but it does really suck, and if I ever have kids I would want to avoid putting them in that situation.
   11. Koot Posted: August 25, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4217952)
One of the reasons that I didn’t sign with Boston was they don’t offer full no-trade clauses


I thought it was because his wife liked NY better. He's so lucky the Yankees have A-Rod to take a brunt of the abuse there, or else a .250 hitting first baseman making his salary would likely get a lot more grief than he does when things go bad.
   12. PJ Martinez Posted: August 25, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4218031)
The comments here perplex me. When evaluating his options as a free agent, he wanted to go to a place where he and his family could stay long-term, if they so chose, so that they would not be uprooted if they didn't want to be. This is obnoxious how?
   13. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4218036)
Mark Teixeira: "This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!"
   14. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4218039)
Am I the only one, upon glancing at the headline, thought the rest of it read, "... when you #### a stranger in the ass?"

EDIT: Guess not. Have a Coke on me, CoB!
   15. Dan Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4218048)
The comments here perplex me. When evaluating his options as a free agent, he wanted to go to a place where he and his family could stay long-term, if they so chose, so that they would not be uprooted if they didn't want to be. This is obnoxious how?


My point was simply that even if all 3 of these players had had full no trade clauses, this trade would still have happened: 2 of them waived no-trade protection that they did in fact have to LA, and the third is going home to Southern California. It's a complete non-factor in this situation.
   16. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4218051)
My main point is that anybody who plays for the Yankees can suck a fat one, especially if I haven't had my coffee yet.
   17. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4218053)
Erik, how is 10-5 not "no trade" protection, without any qualifiers? Beckett could have said no.

edit...re-reading your post, you weren't going the way I originally thought. Never mind. You're on the same page.
   18. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4218054)
Damn it, came here to post [13].
   19. Darren Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4218056)
You see what happens Adrian? You see what happens? This is what happens. This is what happens when fail to sign a no trade clause!
   20. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4218059)
The comments here perplex me. When evaluating his options as a free agent, he wanted to go to a place where he and his family could stay long-term, if they so chose, so that they would not be uprooted if they didn't want to be. This is obnoxious how?


Two reasons:
1. Some people here hate Teixiera.
2. Some people here love to tell players to get off their lawns.
   21. Darren Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4218061)
I think the vitriol here stems from a couple things:

1) Tex is going out of his way to point out what a smart guy he was.
2) Tex, after spurning the Sox felt the need to put them down some more.
3) Tex got a better deal in NY money-wise, so he never really had to make a choice about whether to hold out for a no trade.
4) Gonzalez wasn't really in a position to negotiate an NTC because he was not a free agent. It was pretty much either take $154 mil or wait a year with a bum shoulder.
5) Tex's face.
   22. Repoz Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4218071)
Tex is my most hated Yankee...next to Bobby Richardson, of course.

But I could never quite put my finger on it...as to why.

5) Tex's face.

Now I can.
   23. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 25, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4218078)
5) Tex's face.


Loaf pincher.

Man always looks like he's busting a grumpy ...
   24. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: August 25, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4218133)
Oh, boo-#######-hoo. My family moved three times when I was a kid. Even more when it was just my sister. We turned out all right. What's more damaging is having your dad away from home all the time, if that's what we're worrying about now.


Mrs. McGunnigle's family moved at least once every two years for about three decades. It was very damaging; the kids are all ###### up in one way or another.

I understand Teixeira's comments, but what percentage of MLB players have no-trade provisions? Most players in their 30s are bouncing around a lot; very few have 10 and 5 rights or better than a limited no-trade. My guess is that the Yankees would be the team with the most players with no trade provisions. According to Cots, the only Yankees with full no-trade are A-Rod, Jeter, Rivera, Sabathia, and Kuroda. Checking a couple of other teams... No Rangers have a full no-trade (though Young has 10 and 5 rights), and on the White Sox Danks has full no-trade for 2012 only and that's it (Pierzynski and Knoerko have 10 and 5 rights). No Phillies have full no-trade, but Halladay and Howard have "most favored nation no-trade protection" (meaning they get no-trade protection equal to the best contract on the team).

The Cardinals have a lot of full no-trades: Holliday, Beltran, Lohse, Berkman, Jake Westbrook, Yadier Molina.

The point is that full no-trade is relatively unusual.
   25. The District Attorney Posted: August 25, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4218136)
Mark Teixeira: "Yeah, my contract is a millstone."
   26. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 25, 2012 at 05:41 PM (#4218140)
Mrs. McGunnigle's family moved at least once every two years for about three decades. It was very damaging; the kids are all ###### up in one way or another.

I lived in about 20 places by the time I was in my mid-30's.
Can't say how "damaging" it was (when I was a kid I just assumed you were supposed to move a lot), but it's still weird now to think about being in one place for a long time.
   27. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: August 25, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4218147)
   28. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 25, 2012 at 06:01 PM (#4218156)
“I have never once questioned my decision to come here,” Teixeira said.

"... especially in light of the fact that Ca$hman was willing to write me the biggest check."
   29. PJ Martinez Posted: August 25, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4218158)
"It's a complete non-factor in this situation."

It's only a non-factor because the guys who did have some no-trade protection decided they did in fact want to go to the other team. Tex is saying that, when he was a free agent, it was important to him to be granted the same authority from his new team, and claiming that part of the reason he didn't go to Boston was because he wouldn't have gotten such a say. Whether that claim is BS, and it was all bout the $$$, I leave to more knowledgeable people to determine. But any big trade like this could prompt a well-paid slugger to say, "I'm glad if a team ever wants to do this to me, it's up to me whether or not I go," which is what he seems to be saying here.

Seems to me #20 has it pretty much right.
   30. God Posted: August 25, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4218178)
Oh, boo-#######-hoo. My family moved three times when I was a kid. Even more when it was just my sister. We turned out all right. What's more damaging is having your dad away from home all the time, if that's what we're worrying about now.


Not even close to the same situation. Unless your parents were in the military, they actually chose to move. Being a professional athlete and a soldier are the only professions where one can be forced to move across the country against one's will. That's not a small or inconsequential thing. Even if you work for a company that transfers you, you have the option of finding another job with another company in the same field. Ballplayers don't have that option because MLB has a monopoly and is the only place they can practice their profession.
   31. BDC Posted: August 25, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4218190)
It's my job here on BBTF to point out that ultra-rich ballplayers can live wherever they want. Cliff Lee's big contracts have helped him have his dream house in Arkansas. (He also owns a condo on Rittenhouse Square, to abet his wife's love of Philly.) Ballplayers are away for six weeks in the spring and roughly three months in the summer, no matter where they play and live; if it's important to them to be home for the other three months of the summer (in homestand-length stretches), I agree with the others who've said: more power to them. New York has the advantage of giving you an extra homestand at home, as a minor perk.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4218202)
I'm a little surprised that 10/5 rights haven't just been shifted to 10-year rights (or 10/2 or 10/3 rights) or even 8-year rights.

Tex is finishing his 10th year but just 4th in NY. Given players have no control over where they play in their first 6 years, the only way to become 10/5 eligible in your 10th year is to re-sign with your year 6 team. I suppose that's part of the point of 10/5 but it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent. Given the realities of the baseball labor marketplace, it just seems anachronistic.
   33. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:08 PM (#4218206)
Do players who waive no-trade protection for a certain deal get it back? Crawford, for instance - does he retain a no-trade list through this transaction, or is it completely gone?
   34. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4218221)
I doubt he retains it, unless that's part of his reason for agreeing to waive the no-trade to LA.
   35. SteveF Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:42 PM (#4218233)
Not sure what the issue is. It's a player's right to bargain for a no-trade, and a team's right to not give it to the player. Teixeira's response is perfectly reasonable, as is Boston's unwillingness to hand out no-trade clauses.

Presumably if players wanted greater no-trade protection, they could bargain for it in the CBA by giving the owners something else of value. Presumably that isn't happening because owners value the added ease of transferring contracts that not requiring player consent provides (rightly or wrongly) more than the union values geographic stability ( at least up to a certain point).

I guess 5 years is long enough to assume you've put down roots, and early-mid thirties (around the time most players have 10 years service time) old enough to have a significant number of roots dug in pretty deep (multiple, older children).
   36. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 25, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4218239)
Do players who waive no-trade protection for a certain deal get it back?


They don't get it back, they keep it. It's in the contract. The contract cannot be assigned without the player's consent. That means every time, unless a contract is written specifically to make it a one time thing, which I kinda doubt.

EDIT: 10/5 rights OTOH, are gone once a player accepts a trade, for a rather obvious reason.
   37. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: August 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM (#4218374)
Everything Teixeira said was honest and reasonable. Any snark is just the product of jealousy.

Or a perfectly understandable reaction to his face.
   38. Zac Schmitt Posted: August 26, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4218693)
5) Tex's face.

Now this is the sort of well-reasoned analysis people come to this site for. "I don't like this guy cuz his face."
   39. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 26, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4218699)
Now this is the sort of well-reasoned analysis people come to this site for. "I don't like this guy cuz his face."

Teixiera's backpfeifengesicht is irrefutable, though. It is a force unto itself.
   40. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 26, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4218705)
Being a professional athlete and a soldier are the only professions where one can be forced to move across the country against one's will.


Military yes. But how does a professional athlete differ from any other employee in this regard?
   41. greenback likes millwall, they don't care Posted: August 26, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4218708)
Maybe some folks here are Romani.
   42. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 26, 2012 at 05:46 PM (#4218711)
Military yes. But how does a professional athlete differ from any other employee in this regard?

When was the last time GM traded an engineer to Ford?
   43. jyjjy Posted: August 26, 2012 at 09:59 PM (#4218833)
Does GM have a GM to even make such a trade?
   44. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM (#4218836)
When was the last time GM traded an engineer to Ford?


Perhaps never, but people get transferred to other cities all the time. Like ballplayers, they either go, or quit.
   45. Shock Posted: August 26, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4218843)
The comments here perplex me.


Red Sox fans leaping at the opportunity to take offense to something.

Tex's comments are logical and understandable. With that said, didn't all three of the big names in the trade have to consent to this trade?

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