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Wednesday, December 05, 2012

Marlins send Escobar to Rays for infield prospect

A change of heart prompted the Marlins to reverse their thinking about retaining Yunel Escobar.

So on Tuesday night, after more than two days of serious discussions, the Marlins traded the 30-year-old shortstop to the Rays for Minor League infielder Derek Dietrich.

“We met with Yunel about 10 days ago,” Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest said here at the Winter Meetings. “He said he was comfortable playing third base. Recently, he came back to us saying he was not comfortable playing third base. So we were not comfortable moving forward with him as our third baseman, which kind of helped move along this trade.”

Escobar is under contract to make $5 million in 2013, and his deal includes club options for ‘14 and ‘15 at $5 million per season. Beinfest added the Marlins will put the $5 million toward a third baseman.

“Our intentions are to reinvest his salary into the team,” Beinfest said. “We’re going to go shopping for a third baseman, either free agency or via trade. That’s obviously a hole we now have on the club.”

Thanks to Los.

Repoz Posted: December 05, 2012 at 06:41 AM | 54 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. BrianBrianson Posted: December 05, 2012 at 06:48 AM (#4317380)
"We believe the Marlins are going to reinvest his salary into the team" said no one ever.
   2. I Am Not a Number Posted: December 05, 2012 at 07:47 AM (#4317385)
From a Fox Sports article discussing the trade:

"We'll take a little timeout on the trade front," said Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest, who promised the payroll savings will be reinvested.

You'd think an obvious follow-up question to a statement of such dubious veracity would be "how?".
   3. DCA Posted: December 05, 2012 at 07:58 AM (#4317388)
how awesome would it be if the Marlins now went and signed Greinke and Hamilton
   4. DCA Posted: December 05, 2012 at 08:01 AM (#4317389)
Stats and draft position-wise, Dietrich seems like a decent prospect, but you'd think at $5 million per, for up to 3 years (your choice), Yuni would have more excess value than that. Surprised the A's, D-Backs, or other team with a SS need couldn't beat it.
   5. Knock on any Iorg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 08:02 AM (#4317390)
Some related tweets:

@DKnobler: One AL exec on Yunel's short stay with Marlins: "First place he hasn't worn out his welcome."

@luirangel: Yunel Escobar no quiere jugar con los #Marlins. El cubano le dijo a @jorgeebro que prefería que lo cambiaran del equipo [TRANSLATION: Yunel Escobar does not want to play with the # Marlins. The Cuban told @ jorgeebro he preferred the team to trade him] [REAL TRANSLATION: GET ME OFF THIS SINKING SHIP!]
   6. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 05, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4317401)
I still don't understand how people think Escobar's bat is going to play at 3b. His OPS+ last year was only *75* and for the last three years its 89. By movnig him to third, you give up a good portion of his defensive value, and he doesn't add much value on the basepaths.
   7. John Northey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4317453)
So now the Marlins top paid are...
Ricky Nolasco: $11.5 mil then free agent
Adeiny Hechavarria: $1.75 mil then pre-arbitration
Juan Pierre: $1.6 mil
Greg Dobbs: $1.5 mil
Jeff Mathis: $1.5 mil
Jacob Turner: somewhere between $0.8 and $2.15 million (Cot's doesn't make it clear)

So they are down to one player making over $2 million and 5 more making over $1 million. Could the Yankees even field a lineup (9 hitters plus starting pitcher) with just one guy over $2 million without doing tons of callups?
   8. John Northey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4317455)
Just noticed, if Nolasco is traded then their highest expenses will be the $8.5 mil sent to Toronto and the $4 mil sent to pay Health Bell. For 2014 and beyond they now are committed to just another $4 mil for Bell and $1.5 for Jeff Mathis.
   9. McCoy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4317461)
I wonder if Ricky ever imagined himself making 11.5 million dollars in one year back when he was sitting in the Cubs' farm system for those 5 years he was down there.

Player salaries like this one always reminds me of an SI article from the early 90's about the high cost of mediocrity which can basically be summed up as, "Mark Portugal makes how much?"
   10. McCoy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4317462)
Just noticed, if Nolasco is traded then their highest expenses will be the $8.5 mil sent to Toronto and the $4 mil sent to pay Health Bell. For 2014 and beyond they now are committed to just another $4 mil for Bell and $1.5 for Jeff Mathis.

Sounds like a team that needs Alfonso Soriano.
   11. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4317472)
how awesome would it be if the Marlins now went and signed Greinke and Hamilton

And then traded them next offseason.
   12. drjohnnyfever Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4317475)
As a Blue Jay fan, I'm worried now that Escobar is back in the AL East. Wait... no I'm not...
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4317504)
There are some reports the Marlins are going to have an $80 million payroll, but I don't see how that happens unless they sign mystery prospect Beffrey Boria to a one year $60 million deal.

Not terribly impressed with Dietrich as a prospect, I have to think the A's could have topped that without hurting too much.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4317506)
There are some reports the Marlins are going to have an $80 million payroll, but I don't see how that happens unless they sign mystery prospect Beffrey Boria to a one year $60 million deal.


That probably means 80 million pesos, or about $7 million.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4317508)
I still don't understand how people think Escobar's bat is going to play at 3b.


Which people are these? The people quoted in post #1?
   16. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4317526)
Could the Yankees even field a lineup (9 hitters plus starting pitcher) with just one guy over $2 million without doing tons of callups?
No. But then, I don't think any other team besides maybe the Astros could.
   17. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4317534)
Which people are these? The people quoted in post #1?


Toronto threw the idea around, and TFA states "He said he was comfortable playing third base." I doubt he just volunteered to play third for the hell of it.
   18. puck Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4317542)
Could the Yankees even field a lineup (9 hitters plus starting pitcher) with just one guy over $2 million without doing tons of callups?

No. But then, I don't think any other team besides maybe the Astros could.


The Rockies probably could:

C: Wilin Rosario*
1B: Jordan Pacheco
2B: Josh Rutledge*
3B: Chris Nelson*
SS: Jonathan Herrera
LF: Eric Young Jr
CF: Dexter Fowler* ($2.35M in 2012, arb-eligible)
RF: Tyler Colvin
SP: Drew Pomerantz

*probable starters heading into Spring Training, plus maybe Colvin if Cuddyer moves to 1st.
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4317546)
The A's could, of course:

Norris
Carter
Weeks
Donaldson
Sogard
Cowgill
Reddick
Moss
All their SP's but Colon, basically, though I think Anderson makes over 2 million a year.
   20. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4317551)
It's very depresssing, but I think the Mets could too:

C Thole
1B Duda
2B Hicks
3B Turner
SS Tejada
LF Baxter
CF Nieuwenhuis
RF Valdespin

Hicks probably won't make the opening day roster, and Nieuwenhuis might not, but that would only be Wright, Davis and Murphy on the bench.
   21. flournoy Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4317558)
he doesn't add much value on the basepaths.


What about the comedic value from him running with a 98% chance of getting thrown out, and then throwing his hands in the air and acting generally incredulous when he is called out?
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4317572)
Royals

C Sal Perez
1B Eric Hosmer
2B Chris Getz
SS Irving Falu
3B Mike Moustakas
LF Jarrod Dyson
CF Lorenzo Cain
RF Wil Myers
DH Johnny Giavotella

Only Getz is even arb-eligible, and he makes $1 million.
   23. John Northey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4317647)
The Jays have 18 guys over $2 million for 2013 thus just 7 slots for sub-$2 mil guys (maybe), plus $1.5 for always hurt Dustin McGowan. The Jays last winter gave out a 2 year $3 million deal to an injured pitcher who they thought might be useful if healthy (ie: lottery ticket). For the Marlins that would be a franchise player deal now.

The Yankees have 3 over $20 million, and 6 more over $10 million. 4 more are expected to crack $2 mil in arbitration (B-R). Just 13 guys over $2 million - geez, they are getting cheap as they might have 12 sub-$2 mil. That still leaves the Yankees with as many making $20 mil+ as the Marlins have making $1.6 mil+
   24. zack Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4317657)
If I'm reading Cot's correctly, the Marlins on-field payroll for next year is currently $21 million. That's only 7 players under contract, so they need to fill in 18 contracts. But of those 18, only one, Ryan Webb is even arb eligible. And that's just first year arbitration to boot. Let's say the Marlins are generous and give the 17 $500,000, and Webb gets $1 million.

That gives them a $30 million payroll. The lowest payroll last season was the Padres $55 million, you have to go back to 2008 to find a payroll that low. Would Selig even let them go that low?



   25. Nasty Nate Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4317668)
Which people are these? The people quoted in post #1?




Toronto threw the idea around, and TFA states "He said he was comfortable playing third base." I doubt he just volunteered to play third for the hell of it.


I don't know why I'm being so nit-picky, but the Jays never played him at 3rd for a single inning, the Marlins traded him rather than doing that, and the Rays obviously are planning for him at SS and Longoria at 3B.
   26. Greg K Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4317676)
If I'm reading Cot's correctly, the Marlins on-field payroll for next year is currently $21 million. That's only 7 players under contract, so they need to fill in 18 contracts. But of those 18, only one, Ryan Webb is even arb eligible. And that's just first year arbitration to boot. Let's say the Marlins are generous and give the 17 $500,000, and Webb gets $1 million.

That gives them a $30 million payroll. The lowest payroll last season was the Padres $55 million, you have to go back to 2008 to find a payroll that low. Would Selig even let them go that low?

Houston is interesting as well. Right now they have $800,000 committed to Mike Pelfrey. Three players are arb eligible (mlbtraderumors estimates), Jed Lowrie (1.9m), Bud Norris (2.9m), Wesley Wright (900k). Assuming all of those go through that's a 22.5m payroll according to BB-Ref.

Has Houston been connected to any free agents? Surely they have to spend some money.

EDIT: I'm a little unsure, but I think that 6mil and 22.5 mil both include the 5m they are paying to Wandy Rodriguez to play elsewhere.
   27. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4317683)
Right now they have $800,000 committed to Mike Pelfrey.


Wait...when did that happen?
   28. Greg K Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4317687)
Wait...when did that happen?

I'm an idiot
Phil Humber.

I always get those guys confused.
   29. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4317693)
I had no idea Humber was an Astro either.
   30. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4317749)
I don't know why I'm being so nit-picky, but the Jays never played him at 3rd for a single inning, the Marlins traded him rather than doing that, and the Rays obviously are planning for him at SS and Longoria at 3B.


Maybe the Marlins just asked him to play third, knowing he'd balk at the idea, thus giving them the excuse they needed to shed his burdensome contract......
   31. MM1f Posted: December 05, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4317789)
Just noticed, if Nolasco is traded then their highest expenses will be the $8.5 mil sent to Toronto and the $4 mil sent to pay Health Bell. For 2014 and beyond they now are committed to just another $4 mil for Bell and $1.5 for Jeff Mathis.


Oh please God let the Marlins highest paid player be Jeff Mathis! How perfect that would be.
   32. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: December 05, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4317929)
Some of these guys sound made up. Irving falu! No way.
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4318013)
That gives them a $30 million payroll. The lowest payroll last season was the Padres $55 million, you have to go back to 2008 to find a payroll that low. Would Selig even let them go that low?


At this point, how can he stop it? He could force them to "try" and sign free agents, but it's not like he can demand that free agents sign with the Marlins.
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 05, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4318030)
Houston is interesting as well. Right now they have $800,000 committed to Mike Pelfrey. Three players are arb eligible (mlbtraderumors estimates), Jed Lowrie (1.9m), Bud Norris (2.9m), Wesley Wright (900k). Assuming all of those go through that's a 22.5m payroll according to BB-Ref.

With the departure this winter of Abad, Bogusevic and Wilton Lopez, the Astros 40-man roster currently contains four players who played for the Astros in 2010.

The aforementioned high-salaried talismans Bud Norris and Wesley Wright, and fellow grizzled vets Brett Wallace and Jason Castro.
   35. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4318042)
At this point, how can he stop it?


Cut off their welfare windfalls. Oh, wait, the reason the Marlins can punt whole seasons is because the welfare windfalls make it more profitable to have an empty stadium with an empty payroll than actually pay baseball players to entertain the fans.
   36. Greg K Posted: December 05, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4318067)
Cut off their welfare windfalls. Oh, wait, the reason the Marlins can punt whole seasons is because the welfare windfalls make it more profitable to have an empty stadium with an empty payroll than actually pay baseball players to entertain the fans.

To be fair, the fact that it annoys Yankee fans provides at least some measure of fan entertainment.

Just looking for silver-linings here.
   37. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4318115)
You'd like to think it would annoy everybody, but some people just have a natural affinity for plutocratic mooches, I guess.
   38. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 05, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4318176)
I know I'm not the fan I used to be but there might be two or three teams out there next season of whom I couldn't name a single player with 100% certainty and if you started reading off their roster with some made up names thrown in I would have about 0% chance of figuring out real from made up. I'm not sure it's supposed to be this way. There are some real problems with the economics of baseball.
   39. base ball chick Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4318326)
astros are, um, "listening to offers" for bud norris - and they'd probably trade him for another alex white
and that would get the payroll under 20 mill

it is hard to believe that there will be at least 3 teams with payrolls under 30 mill this year. all "rebuilding"

and the rest of MLB is very happy with this. especially because houston and miami have basically no fans left so who cares
   40. tfbg9 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:47 AM (#4318373)
b b c: You are loyal. That's worthy of respect. And your day will come.

/smashes Wild Turkey Bottle on head
   41. base ball chick Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:21 AM (#4318377)
tfbg9

nope
the astros and i are THROUGH!!!!! FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

i know, don't nobody believe me. but this is like checking out your ex and laughing about the absolutely disGUSting females he ends up with because he is such a itsy bitsy limp youknowwhat.

i am not going to the ballpark. i am not watching no games - best i now understand, they will not be on basic cable. i AM gonna check the stats/box scores so as i can see how bad they are.

this is how chicks do things.

   42. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:49 AM (#4318379)
...this is how chicks do things.


So, you're not going to go to the ballpark to see him, but you'll creep on him, on facebook?
   43. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:09 AM (#4318391)
i know, don't nobody believe me. but this is like checking out your ex and laughing about the absolutely disGUSting females he ends up with because he is such a itsy bitsy limp youknowwhat.


Maybe they have great personalities.
   44. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:38 AM (#4318395)
I know I'm not the fan I used to be but there might be two or three teams out there next season of whom I couldn't name a single player with 100% certainty and if you started reading off their roster with some made up names thrown in I would have about 0% chance of figuring out real from made up.


How can you not know Hingle McKringleberry?
   45. Greg K Posted: December 06, 2012 at 05:30 AM (#4318396)
this is how chicks do things.

This sounds sort of like how I do things.

Except more like if I was a Rays fan until about six years ago when they politely asked me to stop coming to games. So now I check the standings every now and then whenever I feel the need to feel awful about myself.
   46. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 06, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4318418)
Hingle McKringleberry


I work with old Crown grants and survey plans from the late 1700's to present, and one of the few joys of my unchallenging job is getting to see all of the funny old names. The most Dickensian so far has been a Mr. Sedgefield McCrumb.
   47. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 06, 2012 at 09:09 AM (#4318419)
The thought of googling and finding out that a certain ex-girlfriend is happily married is more than enough to keep my morbid curiousity in check. I even have the password to her email account but never looked.
   48. bunyon Posted: December 06, 2012 at 09:34 AM (#4318432)
The thought of googling and finding out that a certain ex-girlfriend is happily married is more than enough to keep my morbid curiousity in check. I even have the password to her email account but never looked.

Well...it sounds as if she is happily married you have the means to change that.


Surely MLB is simply preparing for the destruction, via super-hurricanes, of both Miami and Houston in the next few years?
   49. Greg K Posted: December 06, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4318441)
The thought of googling and finding out that a certain ex-girlfriend is happily married is more than enough to keep my morbid curiousity in check. I even have the password to her email account but never looked.

I lived with a girlfriend for a couple years, and I can't think of what possible reason we had, but we routinely used each other's e-mail addresses and other personal information. (I suppose maybe it's handy if you're out and need to call home to check something...though come to think of it neither of us had phones).

Anyway, I suppose we're both lucky that the other person isn't insane.

Now excuse me while I change a few of my passwords...
   50. Greg K Posted: December 06, 2012 at 09:57 AM (#4318447)
My favourite 17th century parliamentary names...

Framlingham Gawdy and Bulstrode Whitlock (whose notes provide us with a lot of our knowledge of the debates of the 1620s!)
   51. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4318614)
#48--yeah. Lucky for she and I that I'm sort of sane. Funny--she was a great girlfriend, but a TERRIBLE ex-girlfriend. We stayed in touch, had things to divvy up, and she was awful. A completely different person. Weird, too, since the breakup was more or less amicably arrived at, there was no cheating or chicanery involved (that I knew of, anyway).

@49--hilarious!
   52. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4318734)
Scott didnt Hingle McKringleberry go to Notre Dame, or was it MSU I cant remember now...
   53. spike Posted: December 06, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4319166)
No discussion of interesting names is complete without a shout out to this wonderful contest.
   54. Bowling Baseball Fan Posted: December 06, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4319169)
The good news is for gamblers. The Marlins and Astros might be the easiest teams to bet against in history. There is only so low a -1.5 run bet will go.

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