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Thursday, December 12, 2013

Marlins send Justin Ruggiano to Cubs for Brian Bogusevic

Possibly the most letters used in a two-person trade?

On Thursday, the Cubs send outfielder Brian Bogusevic to the Marlins in exchange for outfielder Justin Ruggiano. The Cubs announced the move on Twitter.

Bogusevic, 29, is a career .236/.313/.370 hitter (86 OPS+) with 17 home runs in 773 career plate appearances in the majors. He’s capable of manning all three outfield positions, though he’s a bit of a stretch in center.

As for Ruggiano, age 31, he owns a career slash line of .251/.315/.432 (102 OPS+), and he’s also capable of manning center and the corners. This offseason, Ruggiano is eligible for salary arbitration for the first time.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: brian bogusevic, cubs, justin ruggiano, marlins, trades

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   1. zonk Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4616807)
Wow.

This has to be the most pointless of pointless trades in MLB history.

I mean, the Cubs are getting the better player here -- and given the Marlins' skinflinty ways, the fact that the better player will also soon be the more expensive -- but this trade reminds me of a Simpsons I recently saw in syndication...

It's the one where Homer is on a nuclear plant team building exercise and Homer gets paired with Burns and gets stranded in an avalanche... the episode starts with Burns conducting a fire drill at the plant -- Homer looks over a vast array of pictures at his station... pics of his kids, a wedding photo, pics of him in outer space, etc -- and settles on saving an Old Tymey picture of him in cowboy chaps.

I'm not sure exactly WHAT I expected Thed to do this offseason... they didn't have much in the way of chits to trade and there are precious few, if any, signings so far where I'd say "we should have overbid that"...

It's just that in a hot stove season that has been a lot more exciting than any others in recent memory -- it really sucks that my team has had its most boring offseason ever, even with a new manager.

We've swung trades for perhaps the most backupiest catcher in the history of backup catchers (Kotteras), a 4th OF who is eligible for arbitration for the first time at age 31, and signed a LOOGY (Wes Wright)... Oh - and we hired a manager that just screams "meh".

Sigh....
   2. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4616828)
It doesn't help that the Cubs also still haven't started on the Wrigley renovation. This has been a total nothing offseason.
   3. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4616835)
Isn't it still fairly early in the offseason? The big free agents have just gone unusually quick. There's still two and a half before Spring Training [sigh] and the winter meetings haven't even ended yet. I can't imagine the Cubs are done at this point.
   4. Hack Wilson Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4616841)
Don't worry I'm sure the Cubs will outbid the Yankees and Bosox for Tanaka. Speaking of Simpsons characters,
Hah Hah.
   5. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4616853)
By this time next week, Bogusevic will probably be penciled in as the Marlins' #3 starter.
   6. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4616860)
other than Tanaka I don't see much out there that would really help the cubs long term. And I feel like this will be a transition season where we find out if castro will stay at ss and we will get to see the prospects start making there way to the majors by late summer. So why go out and spend tons of money of guys that arnt worth it? from june on I expect the cubs to start making a lot of deals, not just dumping players but also aquire talent as they see what guys they can move from the minors that are excess depth.
   7. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4616907)
If only there could have been a 3-way deal involving Troy Tulowitzky, Scott Podsednick and Jim Pankovits...
   8. Davo Dozier Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:01 PM (#4616993)
Justin Ruggiano made this extremely charming Tweet last winter. So he's easy to root for.

He has a similar skill-set to Justin Maxwell. Can play a passable center field, strikes out too often to be an everyday player on a good team, but can mash lefties and do everything else passably enough to warrant a spot on any team's 25-man roster.
   9. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4617009)
Justin Ruggiano made this extremely charming Tweet last winter. So he's easy to root for.

Yep, worked. I like him.
   10. Lars6788 Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4617053)
He's a ######### - pick those balls up!
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:28 PM (#4617058)
With only 17 letters, Ruggiano-Bogusevic falls short of the epochal Pat Underwood-Wayne Krenchicki deal of 1983. Despite having 33% more syllables!
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:32 PM (#4617061)
Possibly the most letters used in a two-person trade?


What's the fewest? 15 for Bill Lee for Stan Papi?
   13. SteveM. Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:47 PM (#4617074)
Theo does know that you can improve the major league team while waiting for the prospects?
   14. zonk Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:52 PM (#4617078)
Theo does know that you can improve the major league team while waiting for the prospects?


Well, this is a nominal improvement... I mean, all things considered -- I think Ruggiano is a better player than Bugosevic, but it's kind of like saying that you got upgraded to a suite at the Motel 6.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:53 PM (#4617079)
What's the fewest? 15 for Bill Lee for Stan Papi?

Let's see, Chin-Lung Hu was traded to the Mets for… Mike Antonini. Never mind.
   16. Davo Dozier Posted: December 12, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4617087)
Theo does know that you can improve the major league team while waiting for the prospects?

He just did. Justin Ruggiano is better at baseball than Brian Bogusevic.
   17. KT's Pot Arb Posted: December 12, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4617112)
he could have overpaid for Cano, then if they develop a great 2b prospect Canos no trade clause wll ensure they are forced to trade the prospect for likely less then he's worth for a player who might not be the best fit.

Maybe Theo is smart enough to realize that until you develop some prospects you don't know what holes you will need to fill, and that forced trades can be inefficient enough to cost a lot of value.
   18. sinicalypse Posted: December 12, 2013 at 08:45 PM (#4617154)
hey i like the trade for the cubs.... bogusevic very likely isn't going to be anything !!! and ruggiano.... well we pretty much know what he is, but if he ever could hit .250+ consistently and get his peripherals out there the guy can be one of those quintessential 2012-2017 cubs that comes in to reclaim their career, perhaps provide the wrigley faithful some !!! and if he does anything of note odds are he can be shuttled off to a contender (that is, unless you've got a keeper like schierholtz)

i mean it wouldn't OMFG-level-flabbergasting to see ruggiero go out and go a .245/21/62/25 type season, and hey lord knows he'll be given a crack at getting a job in ST so let's see what he can do. might as well kick the tires here cuz without even looking up stats on the man, the myth, the legend that is brian bogusevic.... in theory if ruggiano can play 120+ games and hit ~.250/+ odds are he's got a decent shot at going 20/20

anyways we can now resume our regularly scheduled program of "where the hell are the cubs going to get pitching from?" and p.s. i am roughly 700% in the "trade samardzina while people think he's a ~3.75/1.25 guy with ~220k+ in ~200IP.... cuz IIRC samardzija has a tough time consistently being a >6IP pitcher. kind of like a dollar store strasburg (in much the way i used to affectionally refer to randall simon as "dollar store guerrero")
   19. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4617192)
This offseason has been so dull for the Cubs that I've been snoozing and have forgotten most of 2013 ... our starting OF at the moment is ... Ruggiano/Lake/Schierholtz? Have I forgotten an exciting signing like Jason Kubel or Sam Fuld or something?
   20. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM (#4617194)
It's more likely Lake/Sweeney/Schierholtz at the moment, with Ruggiano starting over Nate vs. lefties, and probably picking up 400 ABs through spot starts and/or if Junior Lake sucks.
   21. SteveM. Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4617195)
This offseason has been so dull for the Cubs that I've been snoozing and have forgotten most of 2013 ... our starting OF at the moment is ... Ruggiano/Lake/Schierholtz? Have I forgotten an exciting signing like Jason Kubel or Sam Fuld or something?


Don't forget Ryan Sweeney! What an ugly outfield. hopefully some of the OF prospects start shooting up the system soon.
   22. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4617216)
Junior Lake doesn't do it for you?
   23. zonk Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4617224)
A Schierholtz/Ruggiano platoon would actually be a very good thing.... if that was the worst production you got from any of the three OF spots. Unfortunately, it's near certain to be the best -- probably by a pretty wide margin....

I get that there just wasn't much for Thed to do -- like I said, other than maybe getting in on Johnson or Hughes in hopes of a reclamation rebound, none of the deals out there are any I particularly would have wanted to be a part of. No way would I be interested in topping the Ellsbury bid. I don't hate the Granderson deal, but again - I don't think I'd have outbid the Mets. Wouldn't want to bid against the Mariners and Marines for Cano.

Still, I'd hate to think that Ryan Sweeney, starting OF was in any way the plan... I mean, I'd rather shift Lake to CF and see if I could pick up something on the cheap. I'll grant we didn't have enough to be in on, say, Dexter Fowler.... but even a Travis Snider, Scott Van Slyke, or JD Martinez -- just to toss out 3 OF that could probably be had for virtually nothing -- would be more exciting. Or hell, is Franklin Guitierrez signed anywhere yet? I bet he'd sign for a major league deal -- or at least no more than a few million.

I suspect the 3B job is Olt's until/unless he puts up Vitters-esque numbers (presumably, Vitters also makes the team as a spare OF/1B/3B) -- but what about tossing something at the Dodgers for an Alex Castellanos? Or hopefully -- Thed is seeing if there's anything the Mariners would accept for Ackley or Franklin. The Cubs could absolutely use at least another IF (preferrably one that can play 2B and 3B).

As noted above, organizational depth at catcher is just dreadful... It's not like I was expecting to get a Blake Swihart or Austin Hedges -- but maybe an Austin Romine? A Tony Cruz? Something so that both AAA and AA aren't stocked with never-will-be's.

Finally, I would hope that Thed realize that the chances of Rusin OR Arrieta -- much less both -- being legitimate parts of the rotation all year are pretty slim. Especially if Samardzija gets dealt - the Cubs could use another SP, nothing exciting - something of the reclamation variety would be fine (what's up with Scott Baker? Would he give up a discount since he basically got paid 5 million dollars to rehab?)

It's less big splashy moves and just more the complete lack of moves entirely.... who knows, though - maybe not that the rule 5 is over, some of those fringey moves will start to happen.

The Cubs were actually 40 man tight -- they lost 4 guys in the rule 5 (none I'm gonna miss), so maybe now they've room to run a few guys through waivers.
   24. SteveM. Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4617230)
Finally, I would hope that Thed realize that the chances of Rusin OR Arrieta -- much less both -- being legitimate parts of the rotation all year are pretty slim. Especially if Samardzija gets dealt - the Cubs could use another SP, nothing exciting - something of the reclamation variety would be fine (what's up with Scott Baker? Would he give up a discount since he basically got paid 5 million dollars to rehab?)


Yep. I don't get moving Samardzija at all. The farm system is barren of MLB ready impact arms. And we are going to move the one power pitcher in the rotation? The Cubs are operating as if they are Royals or any small market team. Maybe there is something to the notion that the Ricketts don't have money to spend.
   25. Jay Z Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:03 AM (#4617259)
What's the fewest? 15 for Bill Lee for Stan Papi?


10. Harry Chiti for Harry Chiti.
   26. Davo Dozier Posted: December 13, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4617605)
Hey, Cubs fans, stop fretting. You guys just picked up Liam Hendriks today!
   27. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4617633)
#10 - Joking aside, Bogusevic was drafted as a pitcher... in the first round.
   28. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4617636)
And Ryan Roberts!
   29. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4617648)
crap ... we've become the mets
   30. SteveM. Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4617661)
crap ... we've become the mets


At least we aren't still paying Bobby Bonilla!
   31. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 13, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4617702)
Ryan Kalish and John Baker as well. All on minor league deals
   32. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 13, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4617705)
Not surprised to be seeing lots of deals like this now that the rule 5 has passed.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2013 at 09:06 PM (#4617749)
I was about to say John Baker is a decent get then I realized he's not John Buck.

Wasn't Kalish one of those Sox fanboy prospect man-crushes around here a few years ago?
   34. McCoy Posted: December 13, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4617787)
100 losses here we come!
   35. SteveM. Posted: December 14, 2013 at 02:52 AM (#4617839)
So what is the consensus? Is the lack of activity "the plan" or cash flow problems for the Ricketts? For the life of me I can't understand why they aren't trying to grab even a reclamation project for the rotation.
   36. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4617895)
AS someone else said there is still a ton of time left this offseason and generally you don't need to jump on reclamation projects.

The Cubs probably have two key issues that they want resolved before they fill out the rest of the roster. Once the Tanaka and Samardzija issue is taken care of they can either not do things or do things depending on which they go on those two issues.
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 14, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4618026)
Still, I'd hate to think that Ryan Sweeney, starting OF was in any way the plan... I mean, I'd rather shift Lake to CF and see if I could pick up something on the cheap. I'll grant we didn't have enough to be in on, say, Dexter Fowler.... but even a Travis Snider, Scott Van Slyke, or JD Martinez -- just to toss out 3 OF that could probably be had for virtually nothing -- would be more exciting. Or hell, is Franklin Guitierrez signed anywhere yet? I bet he'd sign for a major league deal -- or at least no more than a few million.


I would be ten motion times more interested in Ryan Sweeney as an everyday player than in another go-round with Travis Snider. He's a nice enough kid, and he can field pretty well, but bat-wise there's just nothing there anymore. His swing is totally different than it had been during his prospect days.
   38. Walt Davis Posted: December 14, 2013 at 09:37 PM (#4618166)
So what is the consensus? Is the lack of activity "the plan" or cash flow problems for the Ricketts?

Probably both but I thought this was "the plan" two offseasons ago so it doesn't really surprise me.

Now by "the plan" I mean, in part, how the plan has unfolded in reaction to the moves other teams have made. I agree with Zonk -- I am OK with the Cubs not signing Pujols for 10/$300 (8/$200 would have been another matter ... even if they probably dodged a bullet even at that contract), Fielder at 9/$200 (or whatever), Cano at 10/$240, McCann at 5/$85, etc. I'm not sure those contracts make sense even in the best of circumstances but for an under-talented team, no point having your kids come to fruition in 2016-17 while your mega-million superstars are in decline and you can't add any talent.*

But I think the basic plan all along was to stink and accumulate talent, a mini-Astros. I think that was obvious back in the Pujols/Fielder/etc. offseason -- the Cubs appear to have sat out that FA market entirely, I don't recall any rumors of them even trying to be in on a single big name FA. If you were going to punt that offseason -- which had a lot of talent compared to most -- you're not trying to add talent now. That showed on the field of course.

This year -- jaysis. The rotation is a shambles right now, looking rather like the 2012 rotation (Samardzija, Wood, Jackson followed by nothing vs. Samardzija, Garza, Dempster followed by nothing). And I'm not sure why we couldn't have been in on Fowler -- Houston didn't give up much there. Or Aoki. Or Chris Young. Or Colon or Brett Anderson.

Hopefully the 2014 and 2015 drafts and international signings go really well.

"The plan" of course could end up working just fine -- no reason why it can't work as well or (given resources) better for the Cubs than for the Astros, Pirates, Royals, Marlins. It's whether those 4 or more years of pain are necessary and worth it. Dude better get us to the WS no later than 2020.

* Not disagreeing with my earlier stance that a team with the resources of the Cubs should never have to tear down to this extent. Prince at 5/$90-100 would have been fine with me -- that's putting some competitive players on the field while waiting for the kids and also leaving yourself some flexibility later. I never pegged him for anything close to the contract he got. And while trading for Stewart was a decent enough gamble, it was a horrible "plan."
   39. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM (#4618175)
Now by "the plan" I mean, in part, how the plan has unfolded in reaction to the moves other teams have made. I agree with Zonk -- I am OK with the Cubs not signing Pujols for 10/$300 (8/$200 would have been another matter ... even if they probably dodged a bullet even at that contract), Fielder at 9/$200 (or whatever), Cano at 10/$240, McCann at 5/$85, etc. I'm not sure those contracts make sense even in the best of circumstances but for an under-talented team, no point having your kids come to fruition in 2016-17 while your mega-million superstars are in decline and you can't add any talent.*

The single FA who most fit the needs of a rebuilding team since the teardown has been Darvish - and the Cubs were reportedly second in the blind auction system. So I don't think it's a pure aversion to FAs.

Having not spent much long term money the Cubs have payroll, they have a short and long term need for pitching and Tanaka is barely older than the top prospects in the minors. There is absolutely no baseball reason for Chicago to sit that one out. If the Cubs aren't in it through the end then I'm worried about ownership.
   40. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM (#4618194)
The big question is will Tanaka be posted this year and if so when? Id there a time limit for it to happen by with the new agreement?

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