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Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Marlins trade Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, others to Toronto Blue Jays

Get the ballpark built, then dump payroll. Got to love Loria and Samson:

An industry source has confirmed that the Marlins have traded five players to the Toronto Blue Jays — right-handed starter Josh Johnson, left-handed starter Mark Buehrle, shortstop Jose Reyes, outfielder Emilio Bonifacio and catcher John Buck.

The Marlins will get shortstop Yunel Escobar and infielder Adeiny Hechavarria along with pitchers Henderson Alvarez and Justin Nicolino, according to FoxSports.com.

 

Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:06 PM | 317 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4301874)
So many fascinating subplots. For instance, how does Farrell feel right now, leaving the Blue Jays for the Red Sox?
   2. billyshears Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4301876)
That escalated quickly.
   3. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4301877)
Giancarlo Stanton sez...

Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple
   4. DA Baracus Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4301878)
Whatever happened to the SEC investigating the Marlins?

Oh, and imagine if Pujols had actually signed there last year.
   5. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4301879)
City of Miami=total ####### marks
   6. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4301881)
Joke trade is jokey.
   7. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4301882)
AL East is looking mighty interesting. Nothing but talented quality teams - New York, Tampa, Baltimore, Toronto. Yep, nothing but quality.
   8. The District Attorney Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4301886)
God forbid you be allowed to sell players for money that could be re-invested into turning around your franchise very quickly¹. But you can totally dump your entire team, as long as the other guy sends you something in return that wears a uniform.

¹ Not that this is Loria's plan here, of course.
   9. Bourbon Samurai Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4301888)
Someone try this deal in OOTP and see if it gets rejected
   10. bob gee Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4301889)
wow.

miami should be exhibit 1 for never, EVER give in to ownership demands for a new stadium.

so this is bud selig's prize...makes mccourt look legitimate.

i hope that lots and lots of marlins ticket holders don't renew for 2013.

bet ozzie guillen feels pretty good right about now. as does everyone else who is no longer with them.

edit: and will ANY free agents re-up with miami if the other team's offer is even remotely close? i can't imagine anyone would.

   11. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4301890)
They just got a new stadium. This is ridiculous. Just a giant F.U. to the fans and baseball.
   12. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4301891)
Um, what? Really?

Checks calendar, no where near April.

Wow.
   13. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4301894)
If I'm the City of Miami, I'm trying to find a way to evict the Marlins.
   14. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4301895)
Holy ####. Headline reads almost like an Onion article.
   15. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4301897)
That's some scheme Bud and Jeff cooked up down there. Free stadium, free revenue, I think if you go to the Miami Seaquarium you can also get Free Willy.
   16. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4301898)
That home run dealie out in centerfield is now the highest paid Marlin.
   17. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4301899)
God forbid you be allowed to sell players for money that could be re-invested into turning around your franchise very quickly¹


Turning to a market-based solution? Not in this sport comrade. Why sell the milk when you can #### the cow for free?
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4301900)

I didn't realize the Marlins won the World Series this year.
   19. Nolan Giesbrecht Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4301901)
I just got in from work, headed over here to BTF, saw "Marlins trade Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, and Mark Buerhle..." in the sidebar and my heart jumped a bit as I clicked the link and prayed AA was the one who made this move.

This is very exciting as a Jays fan - get a large upgrade at short, and fill two gaping holes in the rotation without giving up up Noah Syndergaard, Aaron Sanchez, or D'Arnaud.

Reyes and Johnson may be injury risks - even with Reyes being very durable this season - but I'll take the upside they represent anytime.
   20. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4301902)
However, it's not all good for Toronto: as part of the deal, the 2012-2013 NHL season has been sacrificed.
   21. 'Spos Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4301903)
Jays payroll doubled?
   22. Sweatpants Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4301907)
Holy ####. Headline reads almost like an Onion article.
That was seriously the first thing I checked - moused over the article to see if it linked there.
   23. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4301909)
I assumed this was a joke at first, too. But it's all over legit outlets.
   24. asinwreck Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4301910)
However, it's not all good for Toronto: as part of the deal, the 2012-2013 NHL season has been sacrificed.


Which makes the Leafs look better.

If the Marlins had a fanbase, they'd be burning Loria. (Not in effigy.)
   25. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4301911)
Ricky Nolasco:
Huh?.......????
   26. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4301912)
Giancarlo Stanton sez...


Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple



Jose Bautista:
@JoeyBats19

Its a good day to be a bluejay!
   27. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4301913)
Except for Yunel, none of these guys make any money at all right now. And Yunel is just owed 3/15.
   28. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4301915)
I was guessing Daily Currant, since they seem to specialize in satire that's plausible without actually being funny.

When it's real, though, it drops from "not funny" to "sad, just sad."
   29. cmd600 Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4301916)
and will ANY free agents re-up with miami if the other team's offer is even remotely close? i can't imagine anyone would.


Why not? I can assure myself the most money out there, suffer through a year partying on South Beach, and then get traded to a contender. Doesn't sound too awful to me.
   30. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4301917)
There are some rumors floating around the Twittersphere that the Marlins are going to take A-Rod off the Yankees' hands for (primarily) a bundle of cash, and that this move was needed to clear the decks for that one.

-- MWE
   31. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4301918)
So seeing as how I have no idea who comes back/who will be healthy for the Jays next year, how strong does this make them. I already figured they would bounce back from last year given the absurd number of injuries. Does this make them legit contenders? I'm guessing yes, but I have very little idea of who is pitching for the team next year.
   32. Shredder Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4301919)
However, it's not all good for Toronto: as part of the deal, the 2012-2013 NHL season has been sacrificed.
If your a Leafs fan, that probably makes the deal even better.
   33. Gazizza, my Dilznoofuses! Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4301920)
Loria should have his team taken away.

Doubt it's original, but it's true.
   34. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4301921)
Bob Elliott is reporting that the trade also includes Marisnick, Mathis, and one more minor leaguer (not Sanchez).

-- MWE
   35. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4301923)
Bryce Harper:

@Giancarlo818 you can always come play for the Nats! We will take you anytime! Get some red, white, and blue in your life

   36. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4301924)
There are some rumors floating around the Twittersphere that the Marlins are going to take A-Rod off the Yankees' hands for (primarily) a bundle of cash, and that this move was needed to clear the decks for that one.


Would he approve a deal now that they've been gutted?

   37. DA Baracus Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4301925)
   38. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4301926)
   39. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4301927)
The other minor leaguer going to Miami is reportedly Anthony DeSclafani.

-- MWE
   40. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4301928)
And the Marlins are kicking in 4M, because, why not.
   41. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4301930)
Would he approve a deal now that they've been gutted?


Depends on how much he really wants out of New York. I think the ARod-to-Miami rumors are probably just that, though.

-- MWE
   42. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4301931)
Johnson
Buehrle
Romero
Morrow
TBD

Arencibia
Lind
Izturis
Reyes
Lawrie
Bautista
Rasmus
Rajai Davis/Anthony Gose
Easy E

There's some real dark spots there, but the top 4 in the rotation and the Bautista/Encarnacion/Reyes/Lawrie grouping is a heck of a start to a team. I'd say they are absolutely legit contenders.
   43. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4301933)
Jon Heyman on Twitter @JonHeymanCBS:

Trade needs commish approval since there are bucks involved (not just john buck). Seen as likely to approve. #jays #fish


-- MWE
   44. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4301936)
There's some real dark spots there, but the top 4 in the rotation and the Bautista/Encarnacion/Reyes/Lawrie grouping is a heck of a start to a team. I'd say they are absolutely legit contenders.

Yeah, that's a pretty good but flawed team in a division full of them. The AL East race should be pretty intense next year.
   45. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4301937)
If it's true the Marlins had a choice between the three catchers, it's a bit telling they'd go for Mathis. I'd've been all over Arencibia but I guess the Marlins want a guy who is a sure bet to never be more expensive than he already is.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4301938)
AL East is looking mighty interesting. Nothing but talented quality teams - New York, Tampa, Baltimore, Toronto.

Wasn't there another team that used to play in the AL East? Supposedly freed up a lot of money this year? Needs some pitching help and has had a revolving door at SS in recent years? Maybe they didn't have the players to match Toronto's offer.
   47. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4301940)

Why not? I can assure myself the most money out there, suffer through a year partying on South Beach, and then get traded to a contender. Doesn't sound too awful to me.

Or you could be traded to the Royals.
   48. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4301941)

Wasn't there another team that used to play in the AL East? Supposedly freed up a lot of money this year? Needs some pitching help and has had a revolving door at SS in recent years? Maybe they didn't have the players to match Toronto's offer.


Yeah, I seem to remember them too. I think they got a new manager, so maybe he played a role or something.
   49. RJ in TO Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4301942)
This deal pleases me.
   50. OsunaSakata Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4301946)
Alfonso Soriano is available.
   51. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4301949)
If it's true the Marlins had a choice between the three catchers, it's a bit telling they'd go for Mathis. I'd've been all over Arencibia but I guess the Marlins want a guy who is a sure bet to never be more expensive than he already is.

If that's what they wanted, Omir Santos is available. Or they could have reacquired John Baker.

There's some real dark spots there, but the top 4 in the rotation and the Bautista/Encarnacion/Reyes/Lawrie grouping is a heck of a start to a team. I'd say they are absolutely legit contenders.

I suppose the difference between a 60-win team and a 70-win team is that if you combine all the best players from two 70-win teams, as is being done here (except Stanton), you get a legit contender. Would not be true if the Twins traded all their best players for Chris Coleman and Darwin Barney.
   52. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4301950)
Logan Morrison:
I'm not gonna do whatever body thinks I'm gonna do and freak out! Ugh, I need a bath.
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4301951)
I think if you go to the Miami Seaquarium you can also get Free Willy.


If not, I know a public bathroom at the park you can try.
   54. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4301952)
AL East is looking mighty interesting. Nothing but talented quality teams - New York, Tampa, Baltimore, Toronto.

Wasn't there another team that used to play in the AL East?


What you mean like the Tigers?
   55. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4301953)
Has it been determined what narcotics AA slips opposing general managers before they make these deals?

League into Morrow
Gonzalez into Escobar
Wells into doesn'treallymatterdoesit
Four relievers and Patterson into Rasmus and relievers

And now this.

(The Hill/McDonald trade for Johnson isn't working out so well.)
   56. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4301954)
Between this and the Dodgers deal, it seems there's much less of a downside to signing a bunch of players to big contracts now; since teams are locking their free agents up early, fewer stars are available in free agency, so it seems there's always a team out there willing to trade for them.

The Red Sox managed to package an injured Carl Crawford into a deal where the Dodgers took his contract, and the Dodgers seemed happy to do it...

(So much for that being purely a Dodgers-have-money thing.)
   57. JJ1986 Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4301955)
(So much for that being purely a Dodgers-have-money thing.)


Reyes, Johnson and Buehrle are pretty much living up to their contracts, though. Crawford had been incredibly disappointing.
   58. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4301956)
I keep looking at the names on either side of the ledger and all I can think right now is, "That's all they got?"

This would be one of those trades that a commissioner should block for the good of the game.
   59. RJ in TO Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4301958)
This would be one of those trades that a commissioner should block for the good of the game.

Please shut up.

Please?
   60. haven Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4301959)
Marlins built a new park. Stunk. Nobody showed up. Dump a bunch of underacheivers. Yet BBTF and Stanton are up in arms. Ridiculous as usual. Good luck to the Blue Jays. To be honest to me this looks like a dumpster fire for them when they win 75 games.
   61. greenback calls it soccer Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4301960)
Four relievers and Patterson into Rasmus and relievers

Rasmus sucks.
   62. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4301961)
This would be one of those trades that a commissioner should block for the good of the game.

Screw that. Screw the Marlins, they will just find ways to unload these guys piece by piece. I am far more interested in seeing a competitive Blue Jays squad.
   63. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4301962)
Thank goodness for [46] because I thought I'd have to be the first bitter non-Fish non-Jays fan who wonders why my team couldn't have beaten the Jays' offer. I'd KILL to have seen this group of guys come to Boston, and the Sox' near-ready prospect grouping could have been a lot better than what the Jays sent. Iglesias is like $14m cheaper than Escobar! Iglesias/Kalish/Sands/de la Rosa/Saltalamacchia doesn't get this done??
   64. RJ in TO Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4301964)
Screw that. Screw the Marlins, they will just find ways to unload these guys piece by piece. I am far more interested in seeing a competitive Blue Jays squad.

I knew there was a reason I liked you.
   65. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4301965)
Well, on the positive side my Blue Jay fan friend is ecstatic for the first time....ever (she was too young to really remember the 92-93 Jays). But as a neutral...wow. My condolences to any Marlins fans on here
   66. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4301966)
I'm not gonna do whatever body thinks I'm gonna do and freak out! Ugh, I need a bath.


I guess the only interesting storyline in Miami this year as far as baseball is concerned is what stunt(s) Logan is going to pull get Costanza'ed.
   67. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4301968)
My first reaction was "The Braves should call the Marlins and offer a "pick six not named Heyward or Freeman, for Stanton." Any six not named Heyward or Freeman.
   68. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4301976)
Thank goodness for [46] because I thought I'd have to be the first bitter non-Fish non-Jays fan who wonders why my team couldn't have beaten the Jays' offer. I'd KILL to have seen this group of guys come to Boston, and the Sox' near-ready prospect grouping could have been a lot better than what the Jays sent. Iglesias is like $14m cheaper than Escobar! Iglesias/Kalish/Sands/de la Rosa/Saltalamacchia doesn't get this done??


But then you'd get a series of articles about how the Red Sox are getting away from the process that made them perennial contenders or something like that.
   69. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4301978)
Marlins built a new park. Stunk. Nobody showed up.

Not true. The Marlins were drawing about 11,000 more fans per game until they gave up the season by trading Hanley Ramirez and others. Someone needs to tell Loria that increasing attendance is a multi-year process. You don't do it in half a season.
   70. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4301979)
Four relievers and Patterson into Rasmus and relievers

Rasmus suck


Still better than Patterson.
   71. cmd600 Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4301980)
Or you could be traded to the Royals.


Royals aren't taking on salary, especially if its backloaded.
   72. Boileryard Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4301981)
If an A.L. East team signs Mark Teahen, the Buehrle acquisition won't look quite as good.
   73. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4301982)
in 20 years, the Marlins have won 90 games twice, and won the World Series twice.
the definitive bullshit ballclub of the modern era.
#### em.
   74. Spahn Insane Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4301983)
The karmic payback for the 2003 postseason continues to rear its head. I approve.
   75. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4301984)
Does it strike anyone else as incredibly suspicious that this deal was only announced AFTER the election? Sorry, wrong thread.
   76. Snowboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4301987)
Thank goodness for [46] because I thought I'd have to be the first bitter non-Fish non-Jays fan who wonders why my team couldn't have beaten the Jays' offer. I'd KILL to have seen this group of guys come to Boston, and the Sox' near-ready prospect grouping could have been a lot better than what the Jays sent. Iglesias is like $14m cheaper than Escobar! Iglesias/Kalish/Sands/de la Rosa/Saltalamacchia doesn't get this done??

Loria is a New Yorker, he doesn't want to trade good players to Boston.
But he'll do it for Toronto, he's got nothing against Canadians. Those loveable lumberjacks were the first ones to let him in the game, picking off that helpless Montreal franchise and running it in to the ground.
   77. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4301991)
Apparently somebody changed Loria's wikipedia page to read that he sent the Marlins to Canada as reparations for the Expos.
   78. JJ1986 Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4301994)
If Buck is being included just for the salary, but $4 million is being sent to Toronto, couldn't Miami just keep Buck instead?
   79. Tripon Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4301996)
When you have the chance to trade for Jeff Mathis, you do it, damn it.
   80. Erix Posted: November 13, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4301997)
How I and my fellow Jays fans feel: http://image.blingee.com/images19/content/output/000/000/000/7d0/810524583_1281950.gif?4
   81. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4302000)
@Ken_Rosenthal

Source: Nolasco could be next #Marlins player traded.
   82. Howie Menckel Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4302001)

"in 20 years, the Marlins have won 90 games twice, and won the World Series twice.
the definitive ######## ballclub of the modern era."

all sports? The NY Giants haven't won a playoff game, yet not won the Super Bowl, in the same year since 2000 - and not won a playoff game yet not REACHED the Super Bowl since 1993.

at least the Marlins didn't win a World Series in a year they got outscored in the regular season, like the Giants did last year.



   83. Textbook Editor Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4302005)
Even if the A-Rod to Marlins trade is true and the Yankees dump the entirety of the A-Rod contract on the Marlins (and since that's such a good deal for the Yankees I'm now just assuming it's inevitable that it happens exactly that way)... who do they play at 3B next year?

It's an interesting trade. I don't know nearly enough about the prospects to know if the Marlins got any value at all, but Loria... yeah, he's quite the git.
   84. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4302008)
Unsuspecting GM: Hello, AA. What's up?

AA: You are getting very sleepy...

   85. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4302011)
Oh, the Marlins are in no way unsuspecting. This is a fully consensual sadomasochistic encounter.
   86. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4302013)
Oh, the Marlins are in no way unsuspecting. This is a fully consensual sadomasochistic encounter.

When Beinfest picked up the phone he had Nirvana's "Rape Me" playing in the background.
   87. Gamingboy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:21 PM (#4302014)
So, if the Miami fans were, y'know, large in any number, the Marlins would become the first Major League team in history expelled from a city, as opposed to moving willingly.
   88. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4302019)
The NY Giants haven't won a playoff game, yet not won the Super Bowl, in the same year since 2000 - and not won a playoff game yet not REACHED the Super Bowl since 1993.


this is the worst sentence i've ever read a dozen times :(
   89. Dale Sams Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4302020)
Re Onion trades:

Red Sox trade Kevin Youkilis, Jed Lowrie, Josh Reddick, Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, Marco Scutaro, Adrian Gonzalez for some relievers, James Loney and some prospects.

Ok, i fudged maybe a tad, but that's essentially correct.
   90. Howie Menckel Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4302022)

"this is the worst sentence i've ever read a dozen times :("

well, 3, but yeah.
computer froze before I could delete for irrelevance. so enjoy this last pas de deux..
;)

   91. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM (#4302023)
Hey, I don't appreciate the jabs at the Red Sox in this topic. There's every chance that they can reach .500 in 2013.
   92. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4302027)
I predict than in 2013 the Red Sox win at least four more games than the Marlins.
   93. Dale Sams Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4302029)
Whatever they were going to reach, I'd say they just got two games at least lopped off.
   94. Chris Fluit Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4302032)

I completely missed the Izturis signing. That would have made me happy by itself. But this trade- wow- I can't even comprehend. Probably the biggest Blue Jay blockbuster since McGriff & Fernandez for Carter & Alomar.
   95. DL from MN Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4302035)
Dammit. The Twins could have contended with those two starting pitchers and Reyes.
   96. pep21 Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4302042)
WTF! This is the second team that Loria has fukkked up. The Expos was the first one.
   97. SteveM. Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4302047)
Good God, you go out to eat and this happens. Do the Marlins ever keep anyone they sign in free agency?
   98. Mike Webber Posted: November 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4302051)
According to BBref Reyes still has $92MM on his contract plus a $4MM buyout or $22MM in 2018 (age 35).
Wonder if he had a no trade?
   99. RJ in TO Posted: November 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4302052)
Wonder if he had a no trade?

The Marlins generally don't give no-trade clauses, as it would prevent them from doing things like this.
   100. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4302053)
@nickcafardo

Source: Red Sox made a push for both Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson, but Jays just blew Marlins away.
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