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Marlins Will Listen On Giancarlo Stanton: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

I bet they’d love a big pile of money for him.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:00 PM | 52 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RJ in TO Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4334624)
GET ON THE PHONE, AA!
   2. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4334625)
Yes please.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4334644)
The Yankees should absolutely empty the farm on this.
   4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 30, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4334648)
Is there anybody who shouldn't empty the farm for this?

I mean, I think the Mets might even consider a package of Niese plus a b-prospect.
   5. Accent Shallow Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4334658)
I mean, I think the Mets might even consider a package of Niese plus a b-prospect.

Snicker.
   6. eric Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4334659)
how is his name pronounced anyways? Gee-an-carlo? John-carlo?
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4334663)

how is his name pronounced anyways? Gee-an-carlo? John-carlo?


"Tim"
   8. Dale Sams Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4334664)
He's an eccentric baseball player.
   9. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4334665)
The Mariners should offer Ken Phelps for him.
   10. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4334667)
How long will it be before he ends up in Toronto?

I mean, I think the Mets might even consider a package of Niese plus a b-prospect.

This snark is definitely outdated.
   11. puck Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4334671)
The Rockies don't have the goods to land him, but given the tape measure shots he's hit in Coors, batting practice at home games would become a must-see.
   12. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4334674)
Let's start with Profar, Martin Perez, Leonys Martin, and an A-ball live arm and see if anyone beats that.
   13. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: December 30, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4334677)
Let's start with Profar, Martin Perez, Leonys Martin, and an A-ball live arm and see if anyone beats that.


Marlins will probably ask for Olt, but the above trade with Buckel or Grimm wouldn't be a bad one.
   14. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4334678)
I wouldn't let Olt get in the way of Stanton but Profar is the best position prospect in the game and other teams can't match that. Olt and Profar are probably both expected - at least by me - to get about 300 PAs in the majors this year as backups and they have no infield depth if they trade both. I'd try to avoid it if at all possible.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4334681)
I wouldn't let Olt get in the way of Stanton but Profar is the best position prospect in the game and other teams can't match that. Olt and Profar are probably both expected - at least by me - to get about 300 PAs in the majors this year as backups and they have no infield depth if they trade both. I'd try to avoid it if at all possible.

I'd give up both for Stanton. If Texas would do that, I don't think anyone could beat their offer.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4334684)
Is there anybody who shouldn't empty the farm for this?

True. But, Stanton fits the Yankees needs precisely. They are a win-now, with a fading offense, good, but old, pitching, and they won't add significant salary for 2014.

Stanton will be cheap for two years, and then they can dump a boatload of cash on him.
   17. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4334689)
It's also fair to say I'm not making such a trade unless I can extend Stanton for reasonable terms (7/150ish, maybe?) as a part of the deal.
   18. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4334695)
this is the marlins we're talking about. forget prospects, offer them 46 million, and they'll take it and run.
   19. Flynn Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4334705)
It's also fair to say I'm not making such a trade unless I can extend Stanton for reasonable terms (7/150ish, maybe?) as a part of the deal.


Why the hell would you offer that much money? He's made pennies from the game. He's the perfect guy to offer a seriously below market contract that offers genuine financial security. I guess 7/150 might be below market for him but you should be looking for a serious discount.
   20. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: December 30, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4334707)
how is his name pronounced anyways? Gee-an-carlo? John-carlo?
Almost exactly halfway between those two.
   21. McCoy Posted: December 30, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4334708)
Alfonso Soriano for Giancarlo Stanton.

Seriously though the Cubs should be willing to subsidize the Marlins for years to come to get Stanton. they've got the money and no other use for it.

Take Ricky off their hands, send Alfonso Soriano, DeJesus, and Marmol, pay for all of Soriano, DeJesus, and Marmol, send some decent prospects and throw in a ton of money if they'll let you which I kind of doubt they would.
   22. Spivey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 05:07 PM (#4334709)
Why the hell would you offer that much money? He's made pennies from the game. He's the perfect guy to offer a seriously below market contract that offers genuine financial security. I guess 7/150 might be below market for him but you should be looking for a serious discount.


Agreed. I think that's a pretty serious below market. I got confused by Snapper's post, though. Stanton still has 4 years left before FA. I would probably offer something like 7/110, in this case. And I wouldn't feel that he has to be resigned before a deal. 4 prime years of Stanton is worth Profar and some B prospects.
   23. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 30, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4334715)
I'd give up both for Stanton. If Texas would do that, I don't think anyone could beat their offer.

Well the Angels could beat the offer by giving up Trout, but you probably meant just with prospects. In that case I think the Cards have a shot -- Taveras, Rosenthal, Adams and Jenkins. Baltimore could give up Machado and Bundy and two other guys. The question isn't whether Profar and Olt and two other guys can be beaten, it's whether anyone would be willing to beat it.
   24. Flynn Posted: December 30, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4334718)
I honestly wouldn't offer that much. I feel like the guy's gonna jump at the first contract that he sees. I'm sure he loves playing baseball but he must hate playing in purgatory in Miami, where no matter what he does he's one injury away from having to get a real job.
   25. Mike Webber Posted: December 30, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4334722)
I mean, I think the Mets might even consider a package of Niese plus a b-prospect.

This snark is definitely outdated.


Maybe it is, but I still laughed.
   26. Gamingboy Posted: December 30, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4334725)
WHAT AM I BID!?!?!
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 30, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4334729)
Well the Angels could beat the offer by giving up Trout, but you probably meant just with prospects.

Well, why would they give up the best player in baseball for anybody?
   28. McCoy Posted: December 30, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4334730)
They have Miguel Cabrera?
   29. Darren Posted: December 30, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4334731)
Hard to top Profar. I'd say Boston should try to get him for Barnes+, but I'd take Profar+ over that for sure.
   30. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 30, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4334732)
how is his name pronounced anyways? Gee-an-carlo? John-carlo?

Throat Warbler Mangrove
   31. MikeinMI Posted: December 30, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4334734)
Detroit!
They have made these deals before with Florida. Castellanos, Rondon, Porcello and Dirks. Sure, Profar is a better offer but that won't stop the Marlins.
   32. John Northey Posted: December 30, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4334749)
Yeah, Jays send Gose and a few other prospects, give them Lind for laughs, put Bautista at 1B and Encarnacion back to DH. Then watch out AL East!
   33. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 30, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4334802)
@21 McCoy: So sad and so true. Where's that Epstein magic?
   34. Darren Posted: December 30, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4334813)
I'd say that if I acquired him, I'd offer Stanton something like 5/70. He's a good bet to be a 4-4.5/year-ish player. Going by the 40/60/80 rule and a little inflation, that'd be:

Year 1: $400K
Year 2: $9M
Year 3: $14M
Year 4: $21M
Year 5: $25M

Maybe try to get an option year at $25M or something. Otherwise, I'm happy to go to arbitration with him and bid on him as a FA.
   35. Rafael Bellylard: A failure of the waist. Posted: December 30, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4334836)
This seems like the perfect opportunity for the Rays to stop being the Rays and put together a handsome package for Stanton, then sign him to a Longo-esque contract.
   36. TerpNats Posted: December 30, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4334900)
Stanton to the Nationals for Anthony Rendon, Ty Moore and three other prospects (none of whom are named Lucas Giolito)?
   37. asinwreck Posted: December 31, 2012 at 01:09 AM (#4335032)
Dayton Moore could offer a fun package.
   38. Walt Davis Posted: December 31, 2012 at 01:27 AM (#4335043)
I'd sign Stanton to a 7+ year extension barely putting a thought into it.

For players through age 22 (600+ PA), he's top 20 in OPS+. He's #3 in ISO, just behind DiMaggio and Ted, just ahead of Mathews and well ahead of Pujols. He's also a very good defensive RF.

He strikes out more than you'd like but I think he's about to go McGwire on the league. He just put up a 300 ISO, playing half the time in Miami -- on the road his ISO was over 350; for his career it's 310 on the road. Pitchers will start pitching around him more and he seems to have the eye to take advantage of that which will likely help the BA. He is already from 20-22 doing what McGwire did from 22-27 -- over 6% HR/PA, over 20% HR/FB (which, if anything, is trending up). Unlike McGwire (255 career BABIP), Stanton's BABIP is a very solid 330.

I'm the biggest cynic around here when it comes to young players "blossoming" and Stanton may never take a step forward -- in which case you've got a 4-5 WAR guy through the prime of his career. If memory serves this is what ZiPS career projection looked like last year. Stanton took a little step up in lots of stuff this year -- BABIP, HR%, HR/FB, LD%, IF/FB, XBH%, and his GB/FB fell by 30%. He was on pace for 6.5-7 WAR if he hadn't gotten hurt (hopefully not something else he has in common with McGwire). Quite possibly that's just a good year but I'll take my chances.

A nearly fully formed McGwire at 22 who plays a good RF -- where do I sign?

He will now go Curt Blefary on me.
   39. Mattbert Posted: December 31, 2012 at 02:02 AM (#4335069)
Stanton to the Nationals for Anthony Rendon, Ty Moore and three other prospects (none of whom are named Lucas Giolito)?

Doesn't work. As Stanton himself pointed out to Bryce Harper on Twitter at the time of the Marlins-Jays megadump trade, his last name backwards is NOTNATS.
   40. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 31, 2012 at 02:14 AM (#4335075)
Ty Moore

This is a terrible nickname. Tyler Moore is a much funnier name.
   41. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 31, 2012 at 02:42 AM (#4335090)
Hard to top Profar. I'd say Boston should try to get him for Barnes+, but I'd take Profar+ over that for sure.

3-Teamer built around Ellsbury.
   42. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: December 31, 2012 at 02:57 AM (#4335100)
Doesn't work. As Stanton himself pointed out to Bryce Harper on Twitter at the time of the Marlins-Jays megadump trade, his last name backwards is NOTNATS.


That is awesome.

3-Teamer built around Ellsbury.


Huh?

Stanton to the Nationals for Anthony Rendon, Ty Moore and three other prospects (none of whom are named Lucas Giolito)?


Nats don't have enough in the minors to make it work, though for the right reasons (graduation of stars).
   43. The District Attorney Posted: December 31, 2012 at 03:14 AM (#4335110)
Every team should be willing to "listen on" every player. Dunno what that proves.
   44. robinred Posted: December 31, 2012 at 06:20 AM (#4335150)
I guess just offering Stanton a long-term deal (he might tell them to pound sand, of course) and then trying to build a team around him isn't on the Marlins' radar.

I will be interested to see if Texas offers Profar in a deal; getting Stanton would certainly be a hell of a way to replace Hamilton.
   45. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 31, 2012 at 07:29 AM (#4335159)
The Sox should try to build an offer around Bogaerts. They'd still be trumped by Profar, but a package with a top ten prospect plus a top 100ish high minors arm (Barnes / DLR / Webster) should be competitive compared to most possible offers.
   46. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 31, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4335210)
Thr Cubs could offer a package based on Baez, Jackson and Soler (can he be traded yet?) and send a bunch of cash to cover Soler but I'm skeptical that would be enough.
   47. Brian Posted: December 31, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4335241)
how is his name pronounced anyways? Gee-an-carlo? John-carlo?


Pam.
   48. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: December 31, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4335441)
Not sure what the Nats would do with Stanton even if they got him.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 31, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4335549)
Not sure what the Nats would do with Stanton even if they got him.

Stick him in RF and bat him cleanup?

Is this a serious question? There's no player in Washington's lineup you don't move off his position for Stanton.

Stick Jason Werth at 1B, Harper in LF. Problem solved.
   50. Walt Davis Posted: December 31, 2012 at 11:52 PM (#4335721)
There's no player in Washington's lineup you don't move off his position for Stanton.

Well, I'd probably keep Ian Desmond at SS. :-)
   51. JJ1986 Posted: January 01, 2013 at 12:13 AM (#4335730)
Stanton to RF, Bryce Harper back to catcher. Problem solved.
   52. bobm Posted: January 01, 2013 at 12:34 AM (#4335739)
how is his name pronounced anyways? Gee-an-carlo? John-carlo?


Mike

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