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Marwin Gonzalez, Twins

Versatile Marwin Gonzalez has agreed to a two-year, $21 million deal with the Minnesota Twins, league sources told ESPN’s Jeff Passan on Friday.

The deal, which is worth $12 million this season and $9 million in 2020, is pending a physical.

Gonzalez, who played every position for the Houston Astros in 2018 except pitcher and catcher, was an invaluable sparkplug during the Astros’ rise to success, with manager A.J. Hinch calling him “my Swiss Army knife.”

The switch-hitting Venezuelan played a career-high 145 games this past season, hitting .247 with 16 home runs and 68 RBIs. He played mostly in left field and at the middle infield positions, with George Springer, Jose Altuve and Carlos Correa all missing time this season due to injuries.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 22, 2019 at 02:01 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bfan Posted: February 22, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5817448)
Fangraphs crowdsource numbers were 3/$30 million, so this is higher average per year, but a shorter period. All in all, this seems pretty fair to me, and once again, not evidence of a collapsing salary market. So the biggies left are Bryce (old-man aging curve problem) Harper, and Keuchel-right?
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 22, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5817464)
Craig Kimbrel
   3. JRVJ Posted: February 22, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5817466)
Kind of surprised the Astros didn't sign him at this amount, but they know their roster better than anybody else.

Also, its starting to look like the Twins are bargain hunters at the end of the off-season: Lance Lynn last year and Marwin González this year.
   4. aberg Posted: February 22, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5817475)
Also, its starting to look like the Twins are bargain hunters at the end of the off-season: Lance Lynn last year and Marwin González this year.


Logan Morrison last year, too. Hopefully Marwin turns out better.
   5. aberg Posted: February 22, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5817477)
I think Gonzalez is a good fit for the Twins. Sano and Polanco have both missed lots of time for different reaosns. Schoop could very easily be as unplayably bad as he was last year. The Cron/Austin/Duda 1B triumverate is far from a sure thing. At a minimum, none of those guys are so good that they need to be in the lineup constantly, which creates room for Marwin to play frequently.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 22, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5817480)
How has he not gotten nicknamed MarGo?

Note: I do not endorse this. Merely observing.
   7. crict Posted: February 22, 2019 at 06:39 PM (#5817487)
Did we get a salary for Josh Harrison with the Tigers? Cheaper for sure, but Marwin would have made more sense.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: February 22, 2019 at 07:37 PM (#5817493)
Marwin is way more distinctive so no need. If his first name was Mario, he'd probably be MarGo.
   9. The Duke Posted: February 22, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5817496)
If he was republican golfer he could go with Maralago
   10. Brian White Posted: February 22, 2019 at 08:24 PM (#5817503)
I know we're a long, long way from 2013, and that Marwin Gonzalez has turned himself into a pretty solid player since his first two miserable years in the majors. But every time I see his name, I can't help but think of this play.
   11. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 22, 2019 at 11:45 PM (#5817529)
#7: Harrison got $2 million, with another million in incentives.
   12. Buck Coats Posted: February 22, 2019 at 11:46 PM (#5817530)
Josh Harrison was just 2 mil (plus 1 in incentives), so yeah much cheaper
   13. crict Posted: February 23, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5817549)
Ok, much much cheaper, but also much much worse.
   14. Darren Posted: February 23, 2019 at 10:23 AM (#5817552)
Fangraphs crowdsource numbers were 3/$30 million, so this is higher average per year, but a shorter period. All in all, this seems pretty fair to me, and once again, not evidence of a collapsing salary market. So the biggies left are Bryce (old-man aging curve problem) Harper, and Keuchel-right?


Tell that to Derek Dietrich, Jose Iglesias, etc. etc.
   15. Astroenteritis Posted: February 23, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5817571)
Really nice signing for the Twins. Marwin gives the manager a lot of flexibility in giving rest to different players without a drop off in quality, and is pretty decent defensively at all of the positions he plays, which is everything but C-CF-RF, and I'm guessing he could manage RF in a pinch.

I had always thought Houston selected him in the Rule 5 draft, but BBREF indicates that he was a Rule 5 pick (by Boston from the Cubs) but was immediately traded by Boston to Houston for Marco Duarte (yes, I had to look that up).
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 23, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5817573)
I think its a slight underpay, but it seems absurd that Gonzalez has to be underpaid considering he can help pretty much any team at any position. Like I get Moustakas' market is limited because he only plays 3B. What's the excuse for why Marwin didn't have more suitors?
   17. TDF, trained monkey Posted: February 23, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5817574)
So the biggies left are Bryce (old-man aging curve problem) Harper, and Keuchel-right?

Tell that to Derek Dietrich, Jose Iglesias, etc. etc.
I hope my sarcasm detector is broken, because otherwise you're touting one guy with 1 season of >0 WAA in 6 pro seasons and another with 2 in 7 seasons as "biggies" on the FA market.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 23, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5817579)
I think he's saying Iglesias is another data point the collapsing salary market. A 29-year old at a premium position who has averaged 2 WAR over the last 3 seasons just took a minor league deal.
   19. Darren Posted: February 23, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5817584)
Yes, AG is correct.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5817734)
WARpos 2018, all MLB (all of these are tied)
30th 4.3 (Semien)
60th 3.3 (Grandal)
90th 2.7 (Rizzo)
120th 2.2 (Iglesias)
150th 1.8 (Reddick)
180th 1.4 (Hedges)
210th 1.1 (Kemp)
240th 0.8 (Jay, Hechavarria)

So Iglesias was 120th in the majors last year. It was a slightly better year than he's had lately so maybe he's closer to 1.8 or even 1.4 -- still would be the 5th or 6th most productive player on an average team but maybe only worthy of staring about 120 games a year. Maybe, for some reason, you think he's already at the point where really he's just a backup IF -- well a good part-timer is still around that 0.8 to 1.1 WAR mark which still puts him easily in the lineup at least half the time on an average team.

There are only a handful of minor-leaguers who are good bets to out-produce Iglesias this year, those are the top prospects. There are not 150 such guys floating around. 1-2 WAR is not a big deal but it's not fungible.

20/20 hindsight but it sure looks like the Cubs could have non-tendered Russell, replaced him with Iglesias for the same money or less while not risking a massive PR hit and losing maybe 0.5 WAR.
   21. TDF, trained monkey Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:44 AM (#5817800)
I think he's saying Iglesias is another data point the collapsing salary market. A 29-year old at a premium position who has averaged 2 WAR over the last 3 seasons just took a minor league deal...

There are only a handful of minor-leaguers who are good bets to out-produce Iglesias this year, those are the top prospects. There are not 150 such guys floating around. 1-2 WAR is not a big deal but it's not fungible.
And yet, the team he's spent the last 5+ seasons with let him go and gave $5M to a 32 year old who hasn't been nearly as good. Maybe there's something a bunch of guys on the internet don't know.
   22. Zonk Totally Exonerated by Total BS Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:55 AM (#5817805)
I had always thought Houston selected him in the Rule 5 draft, but BBREF indicates that he was a Rule 5 pick (by Boston from the Cubs) but was immediately traded by Boston to Houston for Marco Duarte (yes, I had to look that up).


Obviously, you don't check the Gonfalon much, since I ##### about this monthly and have ever since that draft. Early on, I tended to misspell "Marwin Gonzalez" as "Ryan Flaherty", but still.... I'm so prescient its precious.
   23. jmurph Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:29 AM (#5817870)
And yet, the team he's spent the last 5+ seasons with let him go and gave $5M to a 32 year old who hasn't been nearly as good. Maybe there's something a bunch of guys on the internet don't know.

Is the implicit argument here that the Tigers have a recent track record of good decisions?
   24. DCA Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:09 PM (#5817916)
And yet, the team he's spent the last 5+ seasons with let him go and gave $5M to a 32 year old who hasn't been nearly as good. Maybe there's something a bunch of guys on the internet don't know.

My guess is that something is "they made the same offer to Iglesias, he turned it down, and then they moved on."
   25. TDF, trained monkey Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:51 PM (#5818084)
And yet, the team he's spent the last 5+ seasons with let him go and gave $5M to a 32 year old who hasn't been nearly as good. Maybe there's something a bunch of guys on the internet don't know.

My guess is that something is "they made the same offer to Iglesias, he turned it down, and then they moved on."
And no other MLB team was willing to offer him more than a minor league deal? And not even that until last week?

On the surface, the dude is better than many guys who were signed to actual MLB contracts this off-season. I'm telling you, there has to be something below the surface that we don't know.

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