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Saturday, February 20, 2010

MASN: Brian Cashman: The Orioles are a sleeping giant

Sleeping Giant Provincial Park is a bandbox!...Isn’t that amazing, Suzyn!

Here is an excerpt of Cashman’s comments about the O’s rebuilding effort headed by team president Andy MacPhail.

“Andy is doing exactly what Andy does best. He is as sharp as they come. Patience is the biggest key. He made such an astute trade with Seattle and now he has a collection of talent. Getting Adam Jones to play with Markakis was remarkable. Now he has one of the bright young outfields.

“Now he’s filling in, taking advantage of the free agent market to protect his young talent and wait for them to pop.

“I remember a few years back when Tampa Bay was perennially losing. Everyone in the industry was following them and saw all their young talent brewing and slowly getting refined. You don’t know, because prospects are suspects until they declare themselves at the Major League level.

“Andy is doing the same thing. Everybody kind of sees the collection of talent. Players with big tools and high ceiling. When you are athletic and have those kinds of tools, when it all comes together, it comes fast.

“The Orioles are a team that has closed the gap, without a doubt. And Andy is showing the patience. I think their fan base will be very, very pleased. All the sudden, before they know it, they’ll have that foundation in place. They just haven’t seen it pop yet at the Major League level.

“They are doing the right things because they have a baseball guy running it. Their owner Peter Angelos hired a tremendous baseball talent in Andy MacPhail. He’s worth his weight in gold.

“The Oriole way is coming back real quick. I went to high school and college in the DC area, so I know how important the Orioles are to that area. It’s a sleeping giant that will emerge again, I promise you.”

Repoz Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:05 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: orioles, sabermetrics, yankees

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   1. Accent Shallow Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:12 PM (#3464157)
Does this make Joba's fist pumps Pearl Harbor?
   2. robinred Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3464159)
I got BP 2010 a couple of days ago, and they are pretty high on the Orioles as well.
   3. Gamingboy Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:16 PM (#3464161)
Does this make Joba's fist pumps Pearl Harbor?


And does this mean that Cashman is Yamamato? Because if he is, I highly suggest to him that he doesn't fly in airplanes.
   4. My Grate Friend, Peason Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:43 PM (#3464167)
And of course, the pressing question is always: How does this affect the Red Sox?????????
   5. Dan The Mediocre Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:54 PM (#3464171)
“Andy is doing exactly what Andy does best. He is as sharp as they come. Patience is the biggest key."


Is Angelos patient? If not, it doesn't matter how patient McPhail is, nor does it matter how sharp he is.
   6. Gamingboy Posted: February 20, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3464173)
Is Angelos patient?


It depends on whether my plan on putting sedatives in his drinking water works out.
   7. Tuque Posted: February 20, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3464184)
Right. Remember how some people were pretty high on the Royals last year? I'll believe it when I see it.
   8. Spaceman Posted: February 20, 2010 at 06:42 PM (#3464195)
Yet many forecasts have the Yankees (or Sox) winning 100+ games. Ridiculous, I tell ya!

Why the Orioles are actually a threat (and TB will never be): The franchise can support a top 5 payroll. That's scary.
   9. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: February 20, 2010 at 06:50 PM (#3464199)
Remember how some people were pretty high on the Royals last year?


No, man, not at all. Were some people? Those people be crazy. Crazy crazy people.
   10. Tuque Posted: February 20, 2010 at 07:07 PM (#3464205)
Were some people? Those people be crazy. Crazy crazy people.


Szymborski mentioned the possibility of a playoff run here. Not to rag on Szymborski - he clearly stated he didn't think it would happen - but it shows that the possibility was on people's minds.

That thread is actually interesting to read for the Greinke comments. ZIPS sure biffed that one (though you just can't predict young starters to have the best season since Pedro).
   11. Curse of the Andino Posted: February 20, 2010 at 07:12 PM (#3464208)
Is Angelos patient? If not, it doesn't matter how patient McPhail is, nor does it matter how sharp he is.

Given slow but steady progress on the development side of players, it's quite possible that Angelos' latest passion: remaking the West Side of downtown B'More, will have the same benefit for the Orioles as did Steinbrenner's suspension from the Yanks in the early '90s. You can only micromanage so many things at a given moment.

/Actually, just driving through you can see Angelos has done a lot of good stuff for the West Side, though how much of that is because he can actually pull off the shady deals with various bureaucracies needed to "make things happen" I leave to another forum.
   12. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: February 20, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3464254)
I wonder what a real Orioles threat would make the Yankees and Red Sox do. They're not going to accept a return to the old ways of making the playoffs only a third or two-thirds of the time, and maybe even missing out for a few years in a row.
   13. birdlives is one crazy ninja Posted: February 20, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3464261)
Given slow but steady progress on the development side of players, it's quite possible that Angelos' latest passion: remaking the West Side of downtown B'More, will have the same benefit for the Orioles as did Steinbrenner's suspension from the Yanks in the early '90s. You can only micromanage so many things at a given moment.

I don't know... another 64 win-ish season and I can see Andy getting fired in October.
   14. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 20, 2010 at 09:23 PM (#3464267)
This page gives BP's projections on all of the Orioles (but not Tejada). The picture of Adam Jones is priceless. Evidently they have no coffee in the Oriole clubhouse.
   15. Justin 'The Cespedobear' T Posted: February 20, 2010 at 09:50 PM (#3464278)
That's nice that they forecast Danys Baez to go 1-for-1 and score a run. If the O's really want to compete for the division, they need to get that 1.000/1.000/1.000 stick into the lineup more.
   16. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: February 20, 2010 at 11:20 PM (#3464308)
The picture of Adam Jones is priceless. Evidently they have no coffee in the Oriole clubhouse.


Especially taken in context of the huge grin on Roberts' face and the "trying not to grin" on markakis' face, from left to right. It's like a pictorial expression of the "sad trombone".
   17. Petuniaviles Posted: February 21, 2010 at 01:39 AM (#3464336)
That's the same Jones pic that Yahoo's been using the last couple of years (since he joined the O's, I guess). Gets a laugh out of me every time I see it.
   18. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2010 at 02:38 AM (#3464348)
Given slow but steady progress on the development side of players, it's quite possible that Angelos' latest passion: remaking the West Side of downtown B'More, will have the same benefit for the Orioles as did Steinbrenner's suspension from the Yanks in the early '90s. You can only micromanage so many things at a given moment.
Angelos's problem during the bad era has less been micromanaging than not micromanaging, so that logic doesn't really work. By that, I mean that he has insisted on micromanaging, but has never been around to make the actual decisions, so the team could never pull the trigger.
   19. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: February 21, 2010 at 04:14 AM (#3464377)
Having a stud catcher is a good way to start to compete. You are getting production where others where others frequently are not. And they'll have great numbers from Weiters for a long time to come.
   20. Curse of the Andino Posted: February 21, 2010 at 05:20 AM (#3464405)
Angelos's problem during the bad era has less been micromanaging than not micromanaging, so that logic doesn't really work.


Yeah, but at some point in the MacPhail era, the decisions have completely bypassed Angelos. If ole Pete still had to lift his leg on everything, would they have really hit opening day last year with the rotation of Guthrie, Simon, Hendrickson, Koji and Adam freaking Eaton? There'd have been some kind of late ST deal for a proven vet...

I mean, maybe Angelos still has his fun getting the state to pay for a new scoreboard, but apart from the trades and the improved player development (thank god), there've been too many signs that the right things are getting done--even if, in the case of Sarasota, it's things that are 17 years too late (or 30 years for international scouting).

Last move I can think of that was all Angelos was probably the signing of Weiters. Maybe the Roberts deal, but Andy gets the needs of the casual fanbase to the point of courting bloggers.

/Sorry, I can't hate on the O's as much just now. Ravens went ahead and signed a dude who killed another dude, again, making the orange bird my de facto avian squad for '10.
   21. Andere Richtingen Posted: February 21, 2010 at 05:33 AM (#3464410)
Yes, you have to be patient with Andy MacPhail. It's really too bad the Cubs gave up on him before he really had a chance.
   22. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: February 21, 2010 at 06:07 AM (#3464418)
The picture of Adam Jones is priceless. Evidently they have no coffee in the Oriole clubhouse.

Well Cashman did say they are a sleeping giant.
   23. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: February 21, 2010 at 06:12 AM (#3464419)
Having a stud catcher is a good way to start to compete.


Having a young center fielder as promising as Adam Jones is a nice compliment as well. Strong and young up the middle, that's what everyone wants for their team.
   24. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2010 at 07:41 AM (#3464433)
Non-Fat: I'm not saying that Angelos is a problem currently; I'm just saying "He's too busy to micromanage" isn't a good argument, because that never stopped him before.

Oh, and not trading Roberts (and then subsequently signing him) was absolutely Angelos. Roberts' own mother doesn't value him as highly as Angelos does.
   25. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: February 21, 2010 at 06:34 PM (#3464534)
Last move I can think of that was all Angelos was probably the signing of Weiters. Maybe the Roberts deal, but Andy gets the needs of the casual fanbase to the point of courting bloggers.

I agree re Roberts, and they probably gave him one too many years, but if that's the worst thing Angelos has done in the last 5 years, I'll take it. It's hardly a crippling contract, and the rumored trades involving Roberts weren't all that great. Would any orioles fans be happy now if they'd traded Roberts for Sean Gallagher, Eric Patterson, Rich Hill, Matt Murton, and Ronny Cedeno? Or for Adam LaRoche and Marcus Giles (I think that was the rumored deal)? bleechh...
   26. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2010 at 06:41 PM (#3464538)
The Orioles are a sleeping giant. But the more important question is, are the Orioles one of those giants who watches Bugs Bunny escape and then says, "Durrrrr, do you know what? That was the rabbit."

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