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Friday, March 22, 2013

Matheny gets (good) earful from Herzog

As young Jesse Simpson might say…

The message Herzog wanted to impart the most was to be flexible.

“One of the things he told me was there is no ‘book,’” said Matheny. “I kept putting him in different situations and would ask him, ‘What’s your rule of thumb?’ He said, ‘There is no rule of thumb. The game situation is never the same twice.’”

Asked if Herzog ever had answered, “I don’t know,” to one of Matheny’s questions, Matheny laughed and said, “I don’t think I’ve heard that one.”

Herzog praised Matheny for the job he did in his first year, and added, “I think he’s improved a lot.

“They’ve worked on base-running a lot. They’re more aggressive.”

Another area that has caught Herzog’s attention is how dominant the Cardinals’ bullpen can be with an entire season from rookie Trevor Rosenthal, a postseason sensation last year.

“With Rosenthal, you’re going to have to beat the Cardinals in six innings,” said Herzog. “And he’s going to get better. Look at the curve he’s got.

“I told Mike, ‘The strength of your club is going to be your bullpen.’ I don’t care what they talk about. Their hitting is good. Still, last year it was streaky. It should be more consistent.”

...Acknowledging the Cardinals’ deep reservoir of young pitching, Herzog said, “This club is going to be good for a long time. So Mike should manage here for a long time. He’ll make a lot of money. That money he lost in the real-estate deal ... he’ll have more than that in his pocket.”

Repoz Posted: March 22, 2013 at 05:28 AM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cardsfanboy Posted: March 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4394199)
Their hitting is good. Still, last year it was streaky. It should be more consistent.”


Question to fans of other teams. Do your teams get the same complaint about streaky hitting? That has been a primary complaint against the Cardinals offense for at least 15 years, and I'm just curious if this is one of those complaints that is true for all teams?
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4394216)
Yup and it goes back a lot longer than 15 years. I can remember this complaint about the Red Sox dating back to the 70s (too many sluggers, not enough speed).
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: March 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM (#4394256)
Yup and it goes back a lot longer than 15 years. I can remember this complaint about the Red Sox dating back to the 70s (too many sluggers, not enough speed).


Well in St Louis, it's about 15 years, basically with TLR becoming manager and him bringing in American League style baseball.

I always got the impression that other teams/fans/writers had the same complaint about their own team. Which always made the complaints somewhat useless. (And of course another complaint I see from multiple teams/fans is that their team can't hit soft tossing lefties that don't belong in the majors)
   4. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 22, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4394342)
“With Rosenthal, you’re going to have to beat the Cardinals in six innings,” said Herzog. “And he’s going to get better. Look at the curve he’s got.

As Bill James pointed out, Herzog tends to overrate curveball pitchers, apparently because Herzog himself could not hit a good curve.
   5. vivaelpujols Posted: March 22, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4394477)
As Bill James pointed out, Herzog tends to overrate curveball pitchers, apparently because Herzog himself could not hit a good curve.


That may be true, but Rosenthal looks like a legit closer. Motte's pretty good as well. Mujica and Rzep could be solid. The pen doesn't strike me as significantly above average. I'm just hoping we can actually match our pythag record this year.

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