Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, March 22, 2013

Matheny gets (good) earful from Herzog

As young Jesse Simpson might say…

The message Herzog wanted to impart the most was to be flexible.

“One of the things he told me was there is no ‘book,’” said Matheny. “I kept putting him in different situations and would ask him, ‘What’s your rule of thumb?’ He said, ‘There is no rule of thumb. The game situation is never the same twice.’”

Asked if Herzog ever had answered, “I don’t know,” to one of Matheny’s questions, Matheny laughed and said, “I don’t think I’ve heard that one.”

Herzog praised Matheny for the job he did in his first year, and added, “I think he’s improved a lot.

“They’ve worked on base-running a lot. They’re more aggressive.”

Another area that has caught Herzog’s attention is how dominant the Cardinals’ bullpen can be with an entire season from rookie Trevor Rosenthal, a postseason sensation last year.

“With Rosenthal, you’re going to have to beat the Cardinals in six innings,” said Herzog. “And he’s going to get better. Look at the curve he’s got.

“I told Mike, ‘The strength of your club is going to be your bullpen.’ I don’t care what they talk about. Their hitting is good. Still, last year it was streaky. It should be more consistent.”

...Acknowledging the Cardinals’ deep reservoir of young pitching, Herzog said, “This club is going to be good for a long time. So Mike should manage here for a long time. He’ll make a lot of money. That money he lost in the real-estate deal ... he’ll have more than that in his pocket.”

Repoz Posted: March 22, 2013 at 05:28 AM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cardinals

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. cardsfanboy Posted: March 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4394199)
Their hitting is good. Still, last year it was streaky. It should be more consistent.”


Question to fans of other teams. Do your teams get the same complaint about streaky hitting? That has been a primary complaint against the Cardinals offense for at least 15 years, and I'm just curious if this is one of those complaints that is true for all teams?
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4394216)
Yup and it goes back a lot longer than 15 years. I can remember this complaint about the Red Sox dating back to the 70s (too many sluggers, not enough speed).
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: March 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM (#4394256)
Yup and it goes back a lot longer than 15 years. I can remember this complaint about the Red Sox dating back to the 70s (too many sluggers, not enough speed).


Well in St Louis, it's about 15 years, basically with TLR becoming manager and him bringing in American League style baseball.

I always got the impression that other teams/fans/writers had the same complaint about their own team. Which always made the complaints somewhat useless. (And of course another complaint I see from multiple teams/fans is that their team can't hit soft tossing lefties that don't belong in the majors)
   4. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 22, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4394342)
“With Rosenthal, you’re going to have to beat the Cardinals in six innings,” said Herzog. “And he’s going to get better. Look at the curve he’s got.

As Bill James pointed out, Herzog tends to overrate curveball pitchers, apparently because Herzog himself could not hit a good curve.
   5. vivaelpujols Posted: March 22, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4394477)
As Bill James pointed out, Herzog tends to overrate curveball pitchers, apparently because Herzog himself could not hit a good curve.


That may be true, but Rosenthal looks like a legit closer. Motte's pretty good as well. Mujica and Rzep could be solid. The pen doesn't strike me as significantly above average. I'm just hoping we can actually match our pythag record this year.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Jim Wisinski
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOrioles launch D.C. invasion with billboard near Nationals Park
(12 - 11:08pm, Apr 17)
Last: Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October

NewsblogDaniel Bryan's 'YES!' chant has spread to the Pirates' dugout
(68 - 11:04pm, Apr 17)
Last: andrewberg

NewsblogChris Resop - The Most Interesting Reliever in the World
(16 - 10:58pm, Apr 17)
Last: JLAC is engulfed in a harmless burst of flame

NewsblogOMNICHATTER for April 17, 2014
(127 - 10:57pm, Apr 17)
Last: Davo Dozier (Mastroianni)

NewsblogDesign Room: Top 10 Logos in MLB History.
(12 - 10:55pm, Apr 17)
Last: if nature called, ladodger34 would listen

NewsblogGeorge Brett, Inspiration for the Song “Royals”, Meets Lorde
(27 - 10:50pm, Apr 17)
Last: Greg K

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread - April 2014
(303 - 10:42pm, Apr 17)
Last: NJ in DC

NewsblogMLB: Offense's performance vs. Brewers favors Matheny's interpretation of stats
(6 - 10:14pm, Apr 17)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogRobothal: What a relief! A’s could use bullpen differently than other teams
(4 - 9:50pm, Apr 17)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogOT: The NHL is finally back thread, part 2
(135 - 9:46pm, Apr 17)
Last: zack

NewsblogEscape from Cuba: Yasiel Puig’s Untold Journey to the Dodgers
(3 - 9:30pm, Apr 17)
Last: base ball chick

NewsblogMinuteman News Center: Giandurco: This means WAR
(68 - 9:08pm, Apr 17)
Last: zenbitz

NewsblogGleeman: Mets minor league team is hosting “Seinfeld night”
(138 - 8:59pm, Apr 17)
Last: Moe Greene

NewsblogOTP April 2014: BurstNET Sued for Not Making Equipment Lease Payments
(1584 - 7:52pm, Apr 17)
Last: Publius Publicola

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-17-2014
(15 - 7:43pm, Apr 17)
Last: Eric J can SABER all he wants to

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

 

Page rendered in 0.1873 seconds
52 querie(s) executed