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Monday, March 24, 2014

Matinale: Mitch Williams has solution to pitchers being hit in the face: let them do it to batters

Nerve of the Death Twitch!

According to Mitch Williams pitchers get hit in the face because they are not allowed to throw inside.  Really, that’s what he said.

...Williams insisted repeatedly and vociferously that pitchers should be allowed to pitch inside, a euphemism for hitting batters.  Williams never actually stated that pitchers should be allowed to hit batters.  But he complained that batters now wear armor and are not afraid because pitchers are warned my umpires about throwing at batters.  Williams wants pitchers to throw inside with impunity in order to intimidate batters as he seems to think occurred in some undefined old days.  Williams stated that the result has been that batters “dive out over the plate” and pull outside pitches that smash pitchers in the face.

Do I need to dissect the shear stupidity of this?

...I am revolted by the prevalence of the caviler baseball attitude about it being OK for a pitcher to hit a batter.  That it’s OK to “plunk” a batter in the torso.  Drilled or smashed would be accurate descriptions of a baseball travelling at 90 miles per hour (MPH) crashing into a person’s torso.  Pitching inside deliberately means that the pitcher is being irresponsible enough to not care if his accuracy is off just a bit and that inside pitch hits the batter.  That’s depraved indifference, murder two in New York.

Some batters wear some plastic protection.  PLASTIC!  Not armor.  Would Williams put that plastic on his body and shoot a gun at it?  How about throw a ball at it? It’s NOT armor.

...To buttress the contention of Williams they showed an interview with Aldonis Chapman through an interpreter in which Aldonis indicates that he should pitch inside more so that the batters will pull more and he will not get hit.  Maybe he should throw the ball slower than 105 MPH so that batters have more control.  Also, let’s consider that Aldonis was hit in the head just a few days ago.  He’s got an excuse for saying something silly.

The writer Verducci simply gave up stating that players cannot be protected from everything so just do nothing.

The announcer suggested a protective facemask but Williams brushed that off.  At least twice the announcer told Williams that LeBron James had recently scored 62 points in an NBA game wearing a facemask.  Williams insisted that it was impossible for a human being to pitch while wearing a facemask.

Mitch Williams is a moron.  If the MLB Network had any standards Williams would have been fired long ago.

Repoz Posted: March 24, 2014 at 05:56 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bug Selig Posted: March 24, 2014 at 07:07 AM (#4676005)
Do I need to dissect the shear stupidity of this?


Do I need a small child to tell me how to spell "sheer"?

I love some Mitch-bashing as much as anybody, but one of the ways you hit a line drive up the middle is by getting to an outside pitch just a smidge too easily. And TFA doesn't even claim that Mitch said "hit batters". He just knows that is what he meant, because he's a wizard or something. Pitching inside is a real thing, and it doesn't mean what this chucklehead thinks it does. A good fastball 3/4/5 inches inside serves a purpose, and is not indicative of any intent other than getting batters out.

Mitch Williams is a moron. If the MLB Network had any standards Williams would have been fired long ago.


Do I need to dissect the *shear* irony of this?
   2. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 24, 2014 at 07:40 AM (#4676007)
Aldonis Chapman
?
   3. tfbg9 Posted: March 24, 2014 at 08:38 AM (#4676016)
I also think he got the definition of murder 2 in NY wrong.
   4. just plain joe Posted: March 24, 2014 at 08:38 AM (#4676017)
caviler


The author of this piece really needs to learn to spell.
   5. JE (Jason) Posted: March 24, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4676021)
Mitch Williams is a moron. If the MLB Network had any standards Williams would have been fired long ago.

Do I need to dissect the *shear* irony of this?

Well, at least he didn't misspell "moron."
   6. Jeltzandini Posted: March 24, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4676037)
Both TFA and Mitch are stupid. Hard line drives are a fact of baseball and will be under any rules regime which produces a game worth watching.
   7. tfbg9 Posted: March 24, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4676056)
"Legal Definition of Murder in New York and several other states

Second Degree Murder: Any premeditated murder or felony murder that does not involve special circumstances.First Degree Murder: Not only is the murder premeditated, but it also involves special circumstances, such asmurder of a police officer, judge, fireman or witness to a crime;multiple murders; and torture or especially heinous murders."
   8. AROM Posted: March 24, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4676058)
When Mitch Williams was pitching, if he intended to throw at a batter he'd probably have been just as likely to throw a strike as he would pitching regularly. In fact, a batter was probably safest facing Williams if Mitch was trying to drill him.
   9. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: March 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4676071)
Aldonis Chapman

?


He's no longer an Adonis with a couple of black eyes.
   10. Canker Soriano Posted: March 24, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4676103)
Well, at least he didn't misspell "moron."

My guess is that's a word he's well acquainted with.
   11. Rough Carrigan Posted: March 24, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4676180)
Does Mitch have an explanation for why they weren't letting Herb Score pitch inside back in 1957?
   12. base ball chick Posted: March 24, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4676241)
i am not clear on why allowing beanball wars is a good thing

so if ol mitchie-poo deliberately hits batter A, then his team deliberately hits batter B, then batter C, then big fight, and maybe no one gets hurt, maybe someone does

then you start back with mitchie-poo throwing at the next guy and what good it does i don't get - he wants what, to see how many guys he can hit on the hands/wrist elbow and he thinks that makes him a better pitcher?

it's just waving around the youknowwhat when it's best kept inside so won't nobody laugh
   13. McCoy Posted: March 24, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4676263)
I've never understood why one's employment is considered a special circumstance other than as a sop to certain unions. I mean I walk the same dangerous streets as the cops do and the same times as they do and the only difference between us is that I don't get to carry a gun and wear a bulletproof vest. Yet if someone shoots me dead they don't get the needle. Secondly the death penalty for killing certain people doesn't work as a detterant.
   14. theboyqueen Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4676280)
Man that article is a trainwreck. The part he quotes from Williams:

Williams insisted repeatedly and vociferously that pitchers should be allowed to pitch inside, a euphemism for hitting batters. Williams never actually stated that pitchers should be allowed to hit batters. But he complained that batters now wear armor and are not afraid because pitchers are warned my umpires about throwing at batters. Williams wants pitchers to throw inside with impunity in order to intimidate batters as he seems to think occurred in some undefined old days. Williams stated that the result has been that batters “dive out over the plate” and pull outside pitches that smash pitchers in the face


follows a certain logic and seems fairly defensible. The retort (including the statement that "'pitch inside' is a euphemism for hitting batters") is just a bunch of untethered screaming.

Pitching inside deliberately means that the pitcher is being irresponsible enough to not care if his accuracy is off just a bit and that inside pitch hits the batter. That’s depraved indifference, murder two in New York.


This is so dishonest I don't really know what to say.
   15. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4676285)
Second Degree Murder: Any premeditated murder or felony murder that does not involve special circumstances.

I recently did jury duty and the distinction was something about the defendant being provoked.
   16. Sunday silence Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4676300)
I mean I walk the same dangerous streets as the cops do and the same times as they do and the only difference between us is that I don't get to carry a gun and wear a bulletproof vest. Yet if someone shoots me dead they don't get the needle.


I'm with you on this one, and I dont think all states have this sort of bias as to status of victims. I havent looked lately so maybe its changed.

it sort of goes against the all men are created equal theory, yes?
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4676301)
While this is a pretty badly-written piece, Williams's comments are incredibly dumb.
   18. Sunday silence Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4676304)
I didnt read the article and have no desire to, but if, as you say, Williams is NOT saying to try to hit batters, then isnt pitching inside already legal? So I dont get it, but maybe that goes back to "article = trainwreck" theory.
   19. The District Attorney Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4676314)
i am not clear on why allowing beanball wars is a good thing

so if ol mitchie-poo deliberately hits batter A, then his team deliberately hits batter B, then batter C, then big fight, and maybe no one gets hurt, maybe someone does

then you start back with mitchie-poo throwing at the next guy and what good it does i don't get - he wants what, to see how many guys he can hit on the hands/wrist elbow and he thinks that makes him a better pitcher?

it's just waving around the youknowwhat when it's best kept inside so won't nobody laugh
To be fair, if Mitch was hit by a line drive -- a completely unintentional act -- and "retaliated" by hitting a batter with a pitch, I guarantee his teammates would not be supportive in escalating a beanball war. They'd probably hit him again themselves.
   20. theboyqueen Posted: March 24, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4676322)
I have no idea what Williams actually said, but based on what this article says he noted that pitchers are given warnings when they throw inside and that the batters wear protective armor. Those are factual statements and they contribute to batters crowding the plate and diving over the plate. Also, an inside pitch is never going to be hit back as a hard line drive up the middle so there is even logic in that.

The article even admits he never said anything about hitting anybody. What exactly is incredibly dumb about this? All the comments about his own poor control as a pitcher are obviously irrelevant.
   21. Sandlapper Spike Posted: March 24, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4676336)
At the end of an article on MLB.com about Chapman returning to the Reds' clubhouse after his surgery, Chapman is quoted as saying the following:

"This could happen to anybody else," he said. "This is just something that happened in my job, I got hit. … I've got to get over it. Personally, what I'm thinking right now is that I'm going to have to start throwing inside more."


Link
   22. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 24, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4676375)
This is the worst Jack Keefe imitation ever.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: March 24, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4676390)
I didnt read the article and have no desire to, but if, as you say, Williams is NOT saying to try to hit batters, then isnt pitching inside already legal? So I dont get it, but maybe that goes back to "article = trainwreck" theory.


The problem is that with body armor, and umps not enforcing the rule to attempt to get out of the way, that a player is much more willing to take getting hit. And when they are willing to take getting hit, they lose a little of the fear factor, making it easier for them stand in there and make a solid swing on balls that they may not have been able to hit as well.

That is the theory at least. They have already reduced the amount of body armor allowed, so it's an old argument to an extent. On top of that, the high number of strikeouts is decent evidence that pitchers are already doing a good enough job on their own at creating swing an miss.
   24. Zach Posted: March 24, 2014 at 08:03 PM (#4676539)
Chapman didn't get hit because Perez was trying to hit him. He got hit because Perez hit a hard line drive up the middle. Given enough line drives, eventually one is going to have an unlucky trajectory. Chapman could reduce his chances of getting hurt by trying to give up fewer line drives, but isn't he trying to do that anyway?
   25. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 24, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4676542)
Do I need to dissect the shear stupidity of this?


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