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1. Sean McNally Posted: February 06, 2009 at 06:03 AM (#3069095)For reference... No. 2 in 2004 was Justin Verlander... No. 2 Mike Kelly in 1991 (No. 13 was Manny Ramirez) and No. 2 in 1966 was, of course Reggie.
And a bright and shining time it was, too. When men were dashing and handsome, and women all wanted to be like Jackie.
Don't let it be forgot
That once there was a spot
For one brief shining moment that was known
As Camelot.
Ah, Mattie. We hardly knew ya'.
San Diegan's everywhere are crushed.
For reference... No. 2 in 2004 was Justin Verlander... No. 2 Mike Kelly in 1991 (No. 13 was Manny Ramirez) and No. 2 in 1966 was, of course Reggie.
In the Yankees' defense, Taylor looked every bit the No. 1 draft pick until the bar-fight injury. Matt Bush, not so much. :-)
That's why. A team could have taken him, stashed him away on the 60-day DL most of the year, and then kept him on the 25-man for just over the first month of 2010 and optioned him to the minors.
He would have been a minor league free agent after this year if he wasn't put on the roster anyway, and it's not like he'll be in a significantly different position a year from now.
FWIW, the other half of the same coin is basically the same rationale why the Rays left Josh Hamilton unprotected.
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/05/padres-bush-hot-water-relea/?padres
A witness, who requested his name not be used because of the ongoing police investigation, said Bush was drunk, threw a golf club into the dirt, picked up and threw a freshman lacrosse player and hit another one. Bush also yelled "I'm Matt (expletive) Bush," and "(expletive) East County," before driving over a curb in his Mercedes when leaving the campus, according to the witness.
The Will Ferrell as GWB show on Broadway was pants-pissing funny, if anyone's in New York or coming here soon.
BUSH ANGRY
BUSH NOT LIKE LACROSSE
(btw, when did lacrosse players become so ubiquitous that you could throw one and hit another one)
I thought you must have been exaggerating for a chuckle but this is cribbed directly from the news article. Wow.
How much was his signing bonus from the Padres five years ago? Between his legal bills and the Mercedes (and whatever other frivolous things he might be into), it wouldn't surprise me if he's close to broke at this point.
$3.15M, according to wiki.
They converted him to a pitcher? Huh. Somehow I totally missed that. Given the way he hit, I guess its understandable.
He didn't start pitching until 2007. I thought the point of drafting him was that the local kid would sign for less.
Seconded.
It's amazing this was the guy who was picked because he had good character. Both of them.
No, you're thinking of the Pirates' insane draft of John van Benschoten, a big time collegiate power hitter, as a pitcher.
They're going to be showing that on HBO starting March 14th. I'm not a huge Ferrell fan but I do like his George W. Bush so I'm looking forward to it. I remember some of his videos as Bush back during the 2004 election were really funny.
BA had Bush as the #8 prospect in the draft (Weaver, Niemann, Drew were the top three, Pedroia was #53) - liking his glove (which maintained good reviews as a pro), but not sold on his speed or bat.
The area scout who watched Bush obviously didn't do his job when reporting on the kid's makeup. I'm sure there were red flags all around him, yet they picked him anyways.
Hopefully the Padres learned their lesson.
Is it just me, or do these high drafts of players who could go either pitcher or non-pitcher at the time they were drafted (I'm thinking Bush and VanBenSchoten and maybe Kieschnick here) never pan out? Well, there's Olerud, but I can't think of any others.
The friars have pick three in a few months. What are the chances that the pick will be a head scratcher? I'd say you can count on it. Last summer, the friars drafted an injured 1B out of college, first round(Dykstra). Nevermind the padres minor league system is backed up three to four deep at corner infielder. They have no middle infielders to speak of, and they just traded away their lone middle infielder for bullpen help, and are discussing trading their Ace pitcher for .. ... yep you guessed it, more corner infield help. (Vitters).
learned their lesson. yeah right.
I seem to recall Zach Greinke possibly being drafted as a shortstop. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of success stories (wasn't Mark Kotsay being considered as a pitcher?). Darren Dreifort I believe was nearly made into an outfielder and he ended up having a few decent years .And then there are guys that actually did play a position in the minors, then switch to pitcher like Trevor Hoffman and Dave Stieb.
And...wow, did not realize he had only pitched 6 innings in the regular season. (also scoreless, by the way)
I think Markakis was more highly regarded as a pitcher when he was drafted. The Orioles decision to use him as a hitter was somewhat controversial IIRC. That's worked out pretty well.
Owings could still pan out- one way or the other (or does 3rd round not count as "high"?).
I believe Dave Winfield pitched in college- but that's gong back a way...
Looking back, is the 2004 draft a disappointment? All those college pitchers and none has broken through.
Adam Jones as a position player seems to be working out OK, too.
The plurality of draftees played SS in high school because each was the best athlete on his team. This usually meant he had the best arm on the team, and so he would naturally pitch as well. Some number of these guys are good enough to be prospects at both positions; I'd guess they seem to "never pan out" only because most draftees never pan out.
That would have been a terrible idea. Why make the #1 pick a FA?
Winfield was an outstanding pitcher for the University of Minnesota.
The Cubs preferred Jason Dubois as a pitcher when they tabbed him, an injury caused them to play him in RF. (I liked him better as a hitter, personally, but I guess he didn't pan out.) Brandon Inge could have gone as a pitcher, but I don't think that was considered too seriously.
I haven't looked at it systematically in a few years, but I'd previously found that college two-way guys tended to be underdrafted - I don't believe that that has changed.
And because you hear about it more when a guy who could've pitched or hit fails at one. You hear the "what ifs". No writes "what if" stories about Nick Markakis, LHP because it doesn't matter.
Tim Hudson was a stud CFer at Auburn.
Matt Wieters could've been an early pick had he only pitched in college.
Most teams liked Adam LaRoche as an LHP out of JUCO, he signed with the Braves cos they'd let him hit
They recently moved former first rounder Ryan Harvey from OF to the mound. He needed TJ surgery after only a dozen innings or so.
Carlos Marmol was never draft eligible but he's another guy who started out as position player. He was a catcher, then moved to the outfield and finally became a pitcher. It's hard to fathom how a guy with his arm, funky wrist action and total-absence-of-projectibility-as-a-power-hitter physique started out in the field. I suppose the decision might not have been so obvious when he was 16, 17 or whatever.
I think the Cards might move Jason Motte's soulmate, Matt Pagnozzi, to the mound sooner or later as well.
There's been loads of C->P or SS->P moves. I think Percival (C) and Hoffman (SS) might be the most famous ones involving active players...
Of course, he hasn't exactly panned out yet...
And of course, skip schumaker pitched in college as well (the cards have some awesome arms in their OF!)
In '07, they probably had a better collection of relievers scattered among their system's outfields than they did in the major league pen.
Also, I don't remember Thigpen being on the 1993 Phillies at all.
This is awesome. Next big political thread, I am going with "I'm robin ####### red" if I get worked up.
Matt Bush:Ryan Leaf
Was the Leaf pick, at the time he was drafted, considered the same way Bush pick was: as an overdraft by a cheap team.
No. Leaf was IIRC considered to be just below Manning and therefore the right choice. But, like Bush, he was combination of a poor health, terrible performance, and almost comically pathetic outbursts of anger--IOW, a joke. I live in San Diego and fans here often think of them together.
Mahay event made the majors as an OF, with the Red Sox - one of the first scabs to make the bigs, IIRC.
Andy Tomberlin was a rare guy who went the other way - P to OF.
I've seen a lot of Bush/Leaf stuff the last day or two.
Babe who?
Neither did the Chargers. For all his PR/endorsements/hype/TV appearances/all the BS about him etc, it is clear that Manning is and has always been extremely serious about winning football games--and both the mental and physical aspects of doing that.
Brendan Donnelly played last year, but I don't think he's signed for this year.
Matt Herges signed with Cleveland. Jamie Walker is with Baltimore.
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