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Sunday, September 05, 2010

Matt Garza angry that Orioles’ Luke Scott used Bible to criticize him

Man is born to trouble, as the sparks fly upward toward the catwalks.

RHP Matt Garza didn’t really care what Orioles DH Luke Scott had to say about him. But he did not care much for how Scott did so, invoking biblical proverbs.

“To each his own interpretation; that’s what the Bible is. I’m a Christian, too; a Catholic Christian. He’s throwing something in that shouldn’t even be allowed to be brought in,” Garza said. “That’s a topic where you don’t ever bring that up. …

“My feeling is that God has a lot better things to worry about than if I’m going to throw a strike on a certain pitch. A lot of other things. I’d rather (Scott) not bring it up.”

The backstory was that going into Friday’s game, Garza said he was seeking payback for how the Orioles did in their previous meeting. After Garza led the Rays to a win, Scott admitted Garza was successful but chastised him for boasting, citing a Proverb that “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

Garza, though, said Scott is being somewhat hypocritical given his elaborate home run celebration that includes pointing to the sky, hugging the on-deck hitter and high-fiving multiple teammates, including a choreographed slap-fest with Felix Pie.

“It’s the same thing, where you’re showing up the other guy,” Garza said. “The game’s gone that far to where it’s acceptable. It’s just what it is.”

Repoz Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:27 AM | 106 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AndrewJ Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:43 AM (#3633665)
It comes with the franchise:

Pat Kelly: "I'd like to see you walk with the Lord, Skip."

Earl Weaver: "I'd rather see you walk with the bases loaded."
   2. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:49 AM (#3633667)
Garza, though, said Scott is being somewhat hypocritical given his elaborate home run celebration that includes pointing to the sky, hugging the on-deck hitter and high-fiving multiple teammates, including a choreographed slap-fest with Felix Pie.


the NFL-ization of baseball... inevitable, I suppose, but still a sad thing.
   3. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:53 AM (#3633671)
Garza, though, said Scott is being somewhat hypocritical given his elaborate home run celebration that includes pointing to the sky, hugging the on-deck hitter and high-fiving multiple teammates, including a choreographed slap-fest with Felix Pie.

Yeah, I'd say there's more than a bit of BS in Scott's comments. Whoever began that ridiculous "That one was for you, God" gesture, anyway? Or is the finger point supposed to mean that you're congratulating God for a "good play," the way a pitcher might point to a fielder?
   4. Dan Szymborski Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:59 AM (#3633674)
If I were a professional athlete, I'd point down after big plays, so it looks like I'm thanking Satan. That would totally frost some people.
   5. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:01 AM (#3633677)
This should be a fun thread.
   6. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:02 AM (#3633679)
If I were a professional athlete, I'd point down after big plays, so it looks like I'm thanking Satan. That would totally frost some people.

He watches over us from down below.
His power and his glory darken every door.
Oh, Satan, Prince of Darkness, you're my Lord.
Hail Satan, you're my Lord.
Hail Satan, you're my Lord.
Hail Satan. Satan, you're my Lord.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:02 AM (#3633680)
they started it
   8. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:06 AM (#3633682)
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3633684)
St. Luke

He's pointing at the Great Gazoo. We just can't see him.
   10. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3633686)
“To each his own interpretation; that’s what the Bible is. I’m a Christian, too; a Catholic Christian."
Ooooh, sorry. The correct answer is "Latvian Orthodox." "Latvian Orthodox." Enjoy hell, heretic.
   11. Dan Szymborski Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:09 AM (#3633688)
I approve of Mr. Show references.
   12. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:10 AM (#3633689)
If I were a professional athlete, I'd point down after big plays, so it looks like I'm thanking Satan. That would totally frost some people.

But wouldn't it be sending mixed messages if an employee of Larry Lucchino did that?
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:13 AM (#3633691)
If I were a professional athlete, I'd point down after big plays, so it looks like I'm thanking Satan. That would totally frost some people.


I'm sick and tired of people like Chris Truby and Dan Szymborski pointing to Satan after a home run.
   14. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:13 AM (#3633692)
Enjoy hell, heretic.


and now I can take my repose (ntr Repoz) with a smile on my face.
   15. AWAChampion Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:14 AM (#3633694)
In Ball Four Jim Bouton wanted to say It's my muscles, not Jesus. For the sake of balance. Or something like that.
   16. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:14 AM (#3633695)
I approve of Mr. Show references.

Just call me Moncrief Lanier.
   17. Tripon Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:29 AM (#3633708)
I never understood why Hell was inside of the earth, and yet we don't try to wage War on Hell. We did it against Iraq, why not
Hell?

And the phrase, Hell on Earth? Shouldn't it be 'Hell in Earth'?
   18. Walt Davis Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:31 AM (#3633710)
To each his own interpretation; that’s what the Bible is. I’m a Christian, too; a Catholic Christian.

I know they've been awfully wimpy since Vatican II but I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church is still not big on personal interpretation of the scripture. Or is the Pope now just the Chief Operating Officer?
   19. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:36 AM (#3633712)
I know they've been awfully wimpy since Vatican II but I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church is still not big on personal interpretation of the scripture. Or is the Pope now just the Chief Operating Officer?

They may have come out with a new mission statement during the reorganization which led to Cardinal Egan's claim that the Church was not legally responsible for priestly misconduct because priests are independent contractors. Or that might have been a shady (and unsuccessful) legal dodge. I'm not sure.
   20. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:46 AM (#3633714)
   21. Shredder Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:46 AM (#3633715)
I'm sick and tired of people like Chris Truby and Dan Szymborski pointing to Satan after a home run.
Now that Tom Nawrocki is a semi regular here, those references just aren't as funny unless he makes them.
   22. Rich Rifkin Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:50 AM (#3633716)
Scott admitted Garza was successful but chastised him for boasting, citing a Proverb that “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

Maybe Mr. Scott should start taking Sundays off--never mind that God decided Saturday is the real Sabbath--if he wants to set an example of how self-titled fundamentalist Christians should behave Biblically.
"Six days shah thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work..." (Exodus 20:10).
A guy* I knew in college--who probably never would have been a major leaguer but was a great college player--decided to not sign a pro contract after the Mariners drafted him, because he believed in the Decalogue and knew that not playing on Sundays was incompatible with a pro baseball career. To me, that's the kind of guy who could (but never would) cite the Bible to chastise others. Guys like Scott ... not so much.

*His name was Dave Stewart, though was no relation to the pitcher who starred for the A's and other teams.
   23. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:51 AM (#3633717)
   24. Jacob Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:27 AM (#3633721)
Yeah, I'd say there's more than a bit of BS in Scott's comments. Whoever began that ridiculous "That one was for you, God" gesture, anyway? Or is the finger point supposed to mean that you're congratulating God for a "good play," the way a pitcher might point to a fielder?


Some are pointing to their grandparents, parents, friends, etc...
   25. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:42 AM (#3633723)
I know they've been awfully wimpy since Vatican II but I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church is still not big on personal interpretation of the scripture. Or is the Pope now just the Chief Operating Officer?

A lot of Catholics are not that beholden to Catholic doctrine.
   26. Howie Menckel Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:33 AM (#3633727)
"Some are pointing to their grandparents, parents, friends, etc..."

Yes, I can still understand the jibes, but many if not most are not to "God" but more to "lost loved ones."

I can see both sides there, but it's definitely not just a "in your face, now worship my God" sort if vibe in many/most/or all cases..
   27. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:00 AM (#3633736)
A coke to whoever can guess the reference first:

Commander, I believe in God and his son Jesus Christ and because I do, I can say this: Private Santiago is dead, and that is a tragedy. But he is dead because he had no code. He is dead because he had no honor.

And God was watching.
   28. Magnum RA Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:02 AM (#3633737)
That is A Few Good Men

Keifer Sutherland's character to be more specific.
   29. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:11 AM (#3633739)
Hmm. Nice. Ok, I'll make the quiz harder next time...
   30. Walt Davis Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:15 AM (#3633741)
Lesser-known quotes of the gospel:

Let he who is without sin throw the first beanball.

Blessed are the LOOGYs (and Evan Meek).

Render unto Selig what is Selig's and render unto Loria what is the Steinbrenners'.
   31. Lassus Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:28 AM (#3633744)
There's some awesome stuff in Revelations about Harry Carey.
   32. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 05, 2010 at 07:00 AM (#3633747)
Some are pointing to their grandparents, parents, friends, etc...


What, are they guests on the Goodyear Blimp?

A lot of Catholics are not that beholden to Catholic doctrine.


Then in what way are they Catholics?
   33. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: September 05, 2010 at 07:46 AM (#3633751)
Maybe he's pointing to the guy in the scoreboard stealing signals for him.
   34. Swedish Chef Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:23 AM (#3633754)
Then in what way are they Catholics?

Probably in the same way that one can be a Democrat without being beholden to their platform, or a Pavement fan that doesn't like Terror Twilight.
   35. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:54 AM (#3633758)
What about a Pavement fan who doesn't like most of Malkmus' solo stuff?
   36. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:55 AM (#3633759)
A lot of Catholics are not that beholden to Catholic doctrine.


Then in what way are they Catholics?


My experience is that about 5% of Catholics in most western countries take the entirety of Catholic doctrine seriously. If the Church wanted to be strict about this kind of thing, it would lose a huge amount of temporal power. Which is never, ever, ever going to happen.
   37. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 05, 2010 at 11:16 AM (#3633767)
Yeah, I'd say there's more than a bit of BS in Scott's comments. Whoever began that ridiculous "That one was for you, God" gesture, anyway? Or is the finger point supposed to mean that you're congratulating God for a "good play," the way a pitcher might point to a fielder?

Some are pointing to their grandparents, parents, friends, etc...


Nick Swisher and who else?

But hey, whatever works. And even though I'm with Earl Weaver on this one, I notice he let Pat Kelly hang around.
   38. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 05, 2010 at 12:06 PM (#3633769)
So when should we expect Garza to strike down upon Scott with great vengeance and furious anger?
   39. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 05, 2010 at 12:11 PM (#3633770)
I'd point at my sworn enemies in a way that gave detailed directions to their houses and implied I wanted my fans to go after them.
   40. Mr. J. Penny Smoltzuzaka Posted: September 05, 2010 at 12:42 PM (#3633771)
I'm going to have to side with Scott over Garza on this one if only because I think Garza is a bigger d-bag than Scott. No other reason.

Although my experience is that when non-clergy feel the need to quote from the Bible, they are often rather proud of their knowledge. And is there really any evidence that God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble?
   41. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: September 05, 2010 at 12:59 PM (#3633772)
Although I find Scott's comment a little annoying, Garza's schtick is far worse IMO. He started this by making idiotic comments about payback before his start. Hey, Matt -- you're on the best or second best team in baseball and you're playing one of the worst. Shouting about payback is a bit ridiculous. Garza is the one using NFL style theatrics.
   42. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 01:11 PM (#3633775)
This is like the worst of the triclavianist/anti-triclavianist flamewars.
   43. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 01:36 PM (#3633781)
Then in what way are they Catholics?

They identify as Catholics, attend Catholic Mass, give to the Catholic church and Catholic causes, etc. I assure you, most American Catholics are, for example, using birth control. And a whole hell of a lot of them are pro-choice.
   44. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:10 PM (#3633785)
Nick Swisher and who else?

Brian Wilson.
   45. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:24 PM (#3633788)
This is all Sammy Sosa's fault.

EDIT: And Tim Tebow.
   46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3633789)
I know they've been awfully wimpy since Vatican II but I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church is still not big on personal interpretation of the scripture. Or is the Pope now just the Chief Operating Officer?

You are correct sir.

Garza is symptomatic of two whole generations of Catholics whose religious education basically consisted of "Jesus is your pal, He loves you".

Many/most Catholics don't really know what the Church teaches or why.

In any case since the Catholic Church (and the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox) Churches predate the existence of the Bible, it would be pretty silly for them not to have the authority to interpret it.

They wrote it after all. (i.e. various Bishops composed the New Testament, and the Church decided which books, Old and New were canonical).
   47. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:43 PM (#3633795)
From what I can tell the Church teaches "if a priest does it it can't be a crime."
   48. HCO Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:57 PM (#3633806)
We're against the death penalty, and the war in Iraq, but we're REALLY against legalized abortion!
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:58 PM (#3633807)
From what I can tell the Church teaches "if a priest does it it can't be a crime."

Sam, get a life.

Everything the bishops did in covering up abuse was in direct violation of Canon Law.

Do you criticize "The United States of America" for what you consider bad acts by George Bush and his administration or do you blame the actual actors?

And the bishops are more like governors than the President. Do you blame "The United States" b/c Mark Stanford cheated on his wife, or Blago is a thief?
   50. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:00 PM (#3633808)
We're against the death penalty, and the war in Iraq, but we're REALLY against legalized abortion!

Well, abortion is much, much worse than a war, or the death penalty, so I'm missing your point.

But, the Church doesn't teach dogmatically on the death penalty or the justness of a specific war. A Catholic is free to hold either opinion on the death penalty or the Iraq war and remain in good standing.
   51. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3633811)
Everything the bishops did in covering up abuse was in direct violation of Canon Law.

Really? Because Bernard Cardinal Law seems to have not suffered any consequences.
   52. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:15 PM (#3633814)
Do you criticize "The United States of America" for what you consider bad acts by George Bush and his administration or do you blame the actual actors?


Of course. The policies of Bush were evil and vile and American to there rotten roots.
   53. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3633815)
Really? Because Bernard Cardinal Law seems to have not suffered any consequences.


When the Church stops facilitating child rape and starts punishing those that do then the issue can begun to be addressed. As long as they're electing the facilitators to th See of Rome they're not worth much more than the rapists themselves.
   54. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3633816)
Yeah, I agree with Sam. It's very hard to separate the acts of Bush from the acts of America.

Edit: And I say that while believing that Sam is, and remains, the worst human being on this board. A truly disgusting person.

But he's right.
   55. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:30 PM (#3633823)
Edit: And I say that while believing that Sam is, and remains, the worst human being on this board. A truly disgusting person.


Xoxo,

S/

(seriously. Do you even know me?)
   56. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:34 PM (#3633826)
Xoxo,

S/


Who are you, Gossip Girl?
   57. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:37 PM (#3633828)
Seriously? Yes. You wished cancer on the children of an umpire who you had immediately before threatened to stab in the throat. You're a terrible boil on humanity.
   58. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:46 PM (#3633833)
Seriously? Yes. You wished cancer on the children of an umpire who you had immediately before threatened to stab in the throat. You're a terrible boil on humanity


Wish cancer on babies one time and suddenly you're a monster. They could have been evil babies.
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:51 PM (#3633836)
You're a terrible boil on humanity.


Terrible boil on humanity or not, at least he didn't allow his subordinates to exploit the authority of their positions to systematically rape thousands of innocent children.

So at least he's got that going for him.
   60. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:52 PM (#3633837)
Terrible boil on humanity or not, at least he didn't allow his subordinates to exploit the authority of their positions to systematically rape thousands of innocent children.

Piggly Wiggly night managers don't usually have that kind of juice.
   61. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:00 PM (#3633841)
Cartman is always worth linking in a discussion like this.
   62. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:02 PM (#3633843)
Sam is, and remains, the worst human being on this board.
I guess I'll have to try harder.
   63. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:05 PM (#3633846)
Terrible boil on humanity or not, at least he didn't allow his subordinates to exploit the authority of their positions to systematically rape thousands of innocent children.


This is correct. The day a Catholic Bishop joins Primer is the day that Sam is no longer the worst member of the site.
   64. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:28 PM (#3633857)
This is correct. The day a Catholic Bishop joins Primer is the day that Sam is no longer the worst member of the site


You can't buy this kind of love.

Well, maybe in Vegas.
   65. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:53 PM (#3633867)
These threads are great.
   66. jyjjy Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:00 PM (#3633872)
And is there really any evidence that God

No
   67. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3633873)
And is there really any evidence that God
No

I'll go you one better: threads like this are evidence of the non-existence of God.
   68. jyjjy Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3633874)
Wish cancer on babies one time and suddenly you're a monster. They could have been evil babies.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/26/
   69. Swedish Chef Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:30 PM (#3633893)
Ah yeah, Dante's Inferno, the game showing once and for all that the most immature and illiterate people in the gaming business aren't the gamers, but the upper management.
   70. CrosbyBird Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:00 PM (#3633906)
What part of the Bible did Scott use?

Did he say that Garza lusted after his lovers who had genitals the size of donkeys and whose emissions were like that of horses?
   71. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3633909)
Did he say that Garza lusted after his lovers who had genitals the size of donkeys and whose emissions were like that of horses?

Could you blame him if he did? Garza isn't made of stone, after all.
   72. KingKaufman Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3633914)
“My feeling is that God has a lot better things to worry about than if I’m going to throw a strike on a certain pitch. A lot of other things. I’d rather (Scott) not bring it up.”


Actually, that is precisely all that God worries about. Obsesses over it nonstop. That explains both Garza's fine season and the rest of what's going on in the world.
   73. Flynn Posted: September 05, 2010 at 07:04 PM (#3633935)
I know they've been awfully wimpy since Vatican II but I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church is still not big on personal interpretation of the scripture. Or is the Pope now just the Chief Operating Officer?


If my Catholic religious teaching, which was under the instruction of priests, has any relevance, they are definitely big on personal interpretation. Brecht would have admired the zeal to read the Bible critically.
   74. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:14 PM (#3633995)
genitals the size of donkeys


I'm trying to form a mental image, here - can any of the farm-dwelling primates give me a rough estimate as to how big a donkey's vagina is?
   75. WillYoung Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:24 PM (#3633997)
"Home run celebrations, do they really honor God? - our topic in two weeks. But tonight, rock lyrics, do they influence our kids. Welcome to the Pre-Taped Call in Show with Ken Doral."
   76. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:48 PM (#3634018)
"My religion's gooder than yours."
   77. PerroX Posted: September 05, 2010 at 09:27 PM (#3634042)
I'm trying to form a mental image, here - can any of the farm-dwelling primates give me a rough estimate as to how big a donkey's vagina is?

Your mama's. I need a big one to keep me happy.
   78. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 05, 2010 at 09:32 PM (#3634046)
I'm trying to form a mental image, here - can any of the farm-dwelling primates give me a rough estimate as to how big a donkey's vagina is?

I'm not farm dwelling, but I know they're pretty big. When I was in Sardinia, my host took me to the veterinary clinic where his horse was being cared for. As we walked in, he introduced me to the veterinarian, who had to use her left hand to shake hands with me, because her entire arm was inserted in a horse's vagina.
   79. UCCF Posted: September 05, 2010 at 09:44 PM (#3634053)
As we walked in, he introduced me to the veterinarian, who had to use her left hand to shake hands with me, because her entire arm was inserted in a horse's vagina.

Pics or it didn't happen.
   80. formerly dp Posted: September 05, 2010 at 09:56 PM (#3634055)
Ah yeah, Dante's Inferno, the game showing once and for all that the most immature and illiterate people in the gaming business aren't the gamers, but the upper management.

Haven't played it, so could you elaborate?
   81. Tuque Posted: September 05, 2010 at 10:17 PM (#3634058)
It's very hard to separate the acts of Bush from the acts of America.

He was, you know, President. Of America.
   82. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 05, 2010 at 10:23 PM (#3634063)
In anything but geographical nomenclature, there's no such thing as "America." There isn't even such a thing as "the United States of America." There are the people who live in the United States (who in turn must be divided into all their various groups to avoid inaccurate generalization, and beyond that are all individuals and must be considered on that basis), the people who comprise the government of the United States (whose actions and words must be considered individually), the people who comprise each of the branches of the government of the United States (which frequently act as seperate branches and are comprised of people who must be considered as individuals, considered in the previous entity), the people who command the various military units of the United States (also individuals with individual consciences), etc., but there is no meaningfully discussable entity "the United States of America" that is responsible for the actions of individuals within it. George Bush is responsible for his actions. Karl Rove is responsible for his actions. Jimmy Carter was responsible for his actions. "The United States of America" isn't responsible for anything.
   83. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:05 AM (#3634085)
I'm not farm dwelling, but I know they're pretty big. When I was in Sardinia, my host took me to the veterinary clinic where his horse was being cared for. As we walked in, he introduced me to the veterinarian, who had to use her left hand to shake hands with me, because her entire arm was inserted in a horse's vagina.


Well then, Angel Hernandez has a strike zone the size of a horse's vagina.
   84. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3634088)
but there is no meaningfully discussable entity "the United States of America" that is responsible for the actions of individuals within it.

Yes there is. The Government of the United States of America. The people within the United States are absolutely responsible for the actions of the Government of the United States of America, in, at the VERY least, the macro sense.
   85. sunnyday2 Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:16 AM (#3634092)
Is there any evidence that there's not a God?
   86. Rough Carrigan Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:26 AM (#3634096)
Actually, that is precisely all that God worries about. Obsesses over it nonstop. That explains both Garza's fine season and the rest of what's going on in the world.


This leads one to the distressing doubt that there's even an infinitessimal chance that Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs was correct when he said he was doing "god's work".
   87. Rough Carrigan Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:28 AM (#3634097)
Is there any evidence that there's not a God?


Do you have any evidence to disprove my assertion that there's a lime green Winnebago parked on the surface of Io?
   88. Biscuit_pants Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:38 AM (#3634101)

Do you have any evidence to disprove my assertion that there's a lime green Winnebago parked on the surface of Io?
Oh it's there, it just happened there by chance.

Now prove that chance is how everything happened then we can put behind the silliness and actually have a discussion.

Whether or not you believe given the evidence that convinced you to your decision, it is the utmost arrogance that someone would think theirs is the only conceivable solution. (and yes it also applies to people that cannot see the alternative for or against the existence of a God)

Wernher von Braun:
It is in scientific honesty that I endorse the presentation of alternative theories for the origin of the universe, life and man in the science classroom. It would be an error to overlook the possibility that the universe was planned rather than happening by chance.
   89. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 06, 2010 at 12:59 AM (#3634106)
   90. Kurt Posted: September 06, 2010 at 01:03 AM (#3634109)
LUKE: Alright, what did I do?

MATT: Luke, I'm going to hell! The worst place in the world! With devils and those caves and the ragged clothing! And the heat! My god, the heat! I mean, what do you think about all that?

LUKE: Gonna be rough.

MATT: Uh, you should be trying to save me!

LUKE: Don't boss me! This is why you're going to hell.

MATT: I am not going to hell and if you think I'm going to hell, you should care that I'm going to hell even though I am not.

LUKE: You stole my Jesus fish, didn't you?

MATT: Yeah, that's right!

(MATT places his hands beside his head, index fingers raised as 'horns' and emits a gutteral growling sound.)
   91. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 06, 2010 at 01:24 AM (#3634117)
Vlad:

You could have a 12 year old stick his/her arm up to the shoulder of a smallish donkey. I have not helped a jenny give birth in 40 odd years so no recent firsthand knowledge. But I still deal with horses, cows, sheep, goats (hippies live nearby), hogs, alpacas (more hippies), dogs, rabbits and cats.
   92. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 06, 2010 at 01:43 AM (#3634125)
Is there any evidence that there's not a God?


Bud Selig.

The Designated Hitter.

Interleague Play.


How much more do you need?
   93. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 06, 2010 at 02:57 AM (#3634151)
As we walked in, he introduced me to the veterinarian, who had to use her left hand to shake hands with me, because her entire arm was inserted in a horse's vagina.

Pics or it didn't happen.


Taking a snapshot would have been awkward.

"I don't know you but since I will likely never see you again after this, what the hell, do you mind if I take a picture? No, no! Please, leave your arm in the horse's vagina. Multi bene!"

The only exaggeration in my post was "entire arm." She was in up to her elbow or so. She was doing an exam on a pregnant mare.
   94. formerly dp Posted: September 06, 2010 at 03:27 AM (#3634159)
She was in up to her elbow or so. She was doing an exam on a pregnant mare.

Reading this made me really appreciate that my job doesn't involve being up to my elbow in a horse's vagina. Most days.
   95. PerroX Posted: September 06, 2010 at 04:26 AM (#3634183)
Reading this made me really appreciate that my job doesn't involve being up to my elbow in a horse's vagina. Most days.

Beats the hell outta being a pig masturbator
   96. jyjjy Posted: September 06, 2010 at 06:51 AM (#3634219)
Have you tried both?
   97. PerroX Posted: September 06, 2010 at 08:30 AM (#3634225)
I grew up in a barn - my door got left wide open.
   98. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: September 06, 2010 at 11:21 AM (#3634231)
#46:

They wrote it after all. (i.e. various Bishops composed the New Testament, and the Church decided which books, Old and New were canonical).


Wish I saw this yesterday -- the first part of this simply isn't true. The short version is that we have no idea who wrote the various books of the New Testament, save that we're pretty sure that Paul himself wrote most of the Pauline letters. Most of the books of the NT were not written to assert or protect some sort of centralized, proto-Catholic belief system, but to meet the specific needs of a local community, one that may or may not have been in sync with Jerusalem and Rome. The other objection is that Protestants generally believe that the Church got the Biblical canon slightly wrong, and also that since some ancient time (generally between when the Apostles disbanded and when under Constantine the Church got tied up with the state) the Church has been generally ignoring the Bible, meaning it forfeited any exclusive right to interpretation.

The other other objection is that though the Church ultimately decided what books would be in the canon at a series of councils, it is interesting and important to note that the process of canonization began with the heretical Marcion, and continued through the semi-heretical (but supremely awesome) Origen.
   99. asdf1234 Posted: September 06, 2010 at 11:43 AM (#3634233)
I'm a bit rusty on my history of theology, but I'm pretty sure that only half of the Pauline epistles are considered authentic by mainstream scholars. Early Christians had little compunction about borrowing the apostle's names to support the local cause du jour.
   100. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 06, 2010 at 01:27 PM (#3634249)
Early Christians had little compunction about borrowing the apostle's names to support the local cause du jour.

How unethical. They should have posted under the monikers of ntr Matthew, ntr Mark, etc.
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