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Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Matt Harvey learning to deal with drop in velocity

Following each of his first two Grapefruit League starts, Matt Harvey spoke about the unknowns of returning from surgery to remove a rib, and specifically the process to build his fastball back up to its usual velocity.

On Wednesday, after he allowed four runs—two earned—in 3 1/3 innings in a 6-2 loss to the Marlins, Harvey acknowledged for the first time what might happen if his fastball velocity does not return.

“You can’t look past it,” Harvey said. “It’s going to be there or it’s not, and I have to go out and pitch. I think after today, I feel really confident going into my next outing and moving forward.

“Obviously I’m not looking to throw 100 mph again, or 97 even. My job is to get people out, no matter what I’m throwing.”

Over/Under on Harvey’s season: 162 IP, 100 ERA+. Also, who has a better year: Gsellman or Harvey?

Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 15, 2017 at 06:59 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ReggieThomasLives Posted: March 16, 2017 at 09:32 PM (#5418654)
   2. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5418688)
It says a lot about where Harvey currently ranks in Met fandom that we aren't really panicking about this.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:04 AM (#5418712)
Sad to say, but I expect nothing out of Harvey. He had an exotic shoulder injury and had a rib removed. And he kind of looks like a slob. I dunno. Not expecting great things.
   4. Lassus Posted: March 17, 2017 at 06:57 AM (#5418736)
Maybe I'm not part of the new thinking, but isn't consistent low/mid-90s pretty good with decent location? Perhaps he doesn't have the latter? It's not like he's throwing 90/91, is it?
   5. GregD Posted: March 17, 2017 at 08:27 AM (#5418744)
Hope he enjoyed his fame and saved his money
   6. Adam Starblind Posted: March 17, 2017 at 08:54 AM (#5418748)
Seems toasty. But he wouldn't be the first pitcher to successfully transition from a fireballer to a control and breaking ball guy. What does this have to do with Frank Tanana?
   7. GGC for Sale Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5418753)
 2. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5418688)
It says a lot about where Harvey currently ranks in Met fandom that we aren't really panicking about this.


Overtaken by DeGrom, Syndergrad, and other young arms?
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:07 AM (#5418754)
If the picture in today's Post are accurate he's pudgy, and smoking, so, I'm not surprised his performance isn't tip top.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:15 AM (#5418760)
Maybe I'm not part of the new thinking, but isn't consistent low/mid-90s pretty good with decent location?


Losing several MPH seems like bad news whether you're going from 90 to 87 or 100 to 97. It doesn't mean that he's done as a quality pitcher, but this is a guy that looked like a genuine Hall of Fame talent after about 100 innings in the majors, which is pretty goddam special. That version of Matt Harvey could well be gone forever.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:22 AM (#5418765)
Is anyone else really glad that Jose Reyes is back on the team? Love that guy. Wifebeating aside. His sojourn and chastisement has also removed any burden of expectation from him. Whereas with Wright it feels like we need to pretend that he's still a potential strong starter, Reyes seems to fit quite nicely as a utility guy.
   11. Russ Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:22 AM (#5418766)
Losing several MPH seems like bad news whether you're going from 90 to 87 or 100 to 97.


I don't think this is true (separate from an indication that the injury will continue to cause performance to decline). Dropping from 100 to 97 maybe drops you from the top 3%-5% of pitchers to the top 8-10%. Dropping from 90 to 87 drops you from the 45-50%ile to the 10-15%ile. There's only so much you can do if you're throwing 87, a lot more is possible if you're throwing 97 (maybe your change needs to be slower, your curveball needs to curve more, you change your grip to get more movement).
   12. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:23 AM (#5418767)
According to Dan Warthen, Harvey's gonna have to pitch smarter with less MPH for awhile, but expects an approximate return to his old velo around Memorial Day...
   13. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:24 AM (#5418768)
There's only so much you can do if you're throwing 87


Bartolo Colon would like a word with you...
   14. PreservedFish Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5418772)
I didn't say that all velocity drops were perfectly equal. I think my characterization of a loss of several mph as "bad news" is just fine.
   15. GGC for Sale Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:30 AM (#5418774)
 8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 09:07 AM (#5418754)
If the picture in today's Post are accurate he's pudgy, and smoking, so, I'm not surprised his performance isn't tip top.


Hey, it worked for Rod Beck.... too soon?
   16. dlf Posted: March 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5418856)
If the picture in today's Post are accurate he's pudgy, and smoking, so, I'm not surprised his performance isn't tip top.


Sounds like vintage Greg Maddux.

Hope he enjoyed his fame and saved his money


Perhaps he and his agent were wise to try (unsuccessfully) to push back on the increased innings immediate after return from surgery when he was making the minimum.

Is anyone else really glad that Jose Reyes is back on the team? Love that guy. Wifebeating aside.


Really? I can see rooting for the laundry, but that is more than a touch over the top.

   17. PreservedFish Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:13 PM (#5418877)
Reyes is my favorite post-childhood player. Saw him in the minors, watched his debut eagerly. I only have one baseball card, and it's a Jose Reyes card.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:26 PM (#5418885)
And to think that just yesterday I was arguing that people on this site don't let hero worship affect their view of the players off-field.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 17, 2017 at 12:57 PM (#5418912)
Perhaps he and his agent were wise to try (unsuccessfully) to push back on the increased innings immediate after return from surgery when he was making the minimum.

I'd like to get paid for not working too.
   20. dlf Posted: March 17, 2017 at 01:08 PM (#5418927)
I'd like to get paid for not working too.


With as much time as you (and many, many, many of the regulars) spend posting here during the work day ...
   21. The Duke Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5419379)
Wifebeating aside - that's not a turn of phrase you hear very often.

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