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Tuesday, September 19, 2017

Matt Harvey Out Of Answers For Rough Season

It was not fun to watch.

Jim Furtado Posted: September 19, 2017 at 07:08 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: matt harvey, mets

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   1. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 19, 2017 at 08:46 AM (#5534205)
It's not really complicated. He's not injured but his arm is just not the same. It has happened countless times before with pitchers, and will undoubtedly happen countless times in the future.
   2. Lassus Posted: September 19, 2017 at 08:52 AM (#5534208)
From Anthony DiComo:
Collins, asked if Mets should keep starting Harvey: "When somebody tells me why he shouldn't, we'll consider it. What do we have to lose?"
I laughed, blackly, when I read this the first time. Upon further reflection, though, it does sound like someone who actually might want to be fired at this point.
   3. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: September 19, 2017 at 08:53 AM (#5534210)
Per bbref, Harvey's contract is up this year and he's arb-eligible. I'm guessing he gets non-tendered?
   4. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: September 19, 2017 at 08:56 AM (#5534212)
Anyway, the decline in all aspects of Harvey's game is pretty striking. He's set a career high in homers and walks allowed while pitching less than half as many innings as he did in his two full seasons.
   5. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 19, 2017 at 12:18 PM (#5534399)
We all had a nice chuckle when many supposed New York Mets fans couldn't recognize Matt Harvey in the flesh, but at this point, he seems destined for even more refined obscurity in another few years.
   6. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 19, 2017 at 12:21 PM (#5534402)
The Matt Harvey situation makes me profoundly sad.
   7. bunyon Posted: September 19, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5534405)
Matt Harvey's situation is like cancer: sad, frustrating, terrible and utterly unsurprising.
   8. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 19, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5534440)
At BBRef, through age 26 Harvey's #1 most similar is Old Hoss Radbourn. That's wonderful black comedy. Are there two more dissimilar "similar" players anywhere?
   9. Tim D Posted: September 19, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5534547)
He may be done. Or he may be really good in a couple of years for somebody besides the Mets. Out of the bullpen maybe. Who knows, pitchers are crazy.
   10. Lassus Posted: September 19, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5534590)
sad, frustrating, terrible and utterly unsurprising.

Not unlike YOUR LACK OF THE OXFORD COMMA.
   11. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 19, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5534596)
HE'S NOT RIGHT. STOP PITCHING HIM. Sheesh.

Allowing Harvey to get pummeled night after night helps nothing and no one. Shut him down, wait until next year, and then see what you've got.
   12. Bote Man Posted: September 19, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5534623)
Who knows, pitchers are crazy.

Hooch is crazy!

Has enough time elapsed after his TJ procedure that he should be expected to be back to full effectiveness?

Because some guys come back quicker than others, some guys come back slower, and some guys never come back to what they were. He could be #2 or #3 in that list. He has been pitching like #2 from what I've seen so far. YEESH!
   13. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: September 19, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5534625)
Matt Harvey's situation is like cancer: sad, frustrating, terrible and utterly unsurprising.


So long as he doesn't OD in his basement recliner let's call it a win.
   14. geonose Posted: September 19, 2017 at 04:54 PM (#5534657)
Has enough time elapsed after his TJ procedure that he should be expected to be back to full effectiveness?

He's had a rib removed due to thoracic outlet syndrome since then, and the track record for pitchers who have had that procedure is...disheartening.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: September 19, 2017 at 09:41 PM (#5534797)
I'm guessing he gets non-tendered?

Sure looks that way now as his season just gets worse and worse. Given his injury and performance (as of a few weeks ago), he wasn't likely to get more than $6 M or so if they tendered him and that's not much to pay for a pitcher, even if you think he's only gonna give you 100-120 innings. Unless he simply can't get anybody out of course and Harvey looks like that. So I don't think anybody wants him even at $6 M right now. So they might as well non-tender him, then they can try re-signing him for ... $3M? Or even less but with some incentives that would bring it up to $6 M?

That said, the main ray of hope is that he was on the DL for nearly 3 months and he'd hardly be the first guy to get shelled in his first 5-10 starts coming off the DL. Not that he was doing well before the DL, just that it's not clear how frightening these last 4 starts should be. As #9 suggests, pitchers are weird.

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