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Monday, January 04, 2010

Matthew Broderick Considers Ditching Beloved New York Mets: Go Cardinals?

Stephen: I never could get Joshua to learn the most important lesson.

David: What’s that?

Stephen: Futility. That there’s a time when you should just give up.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 06:26 PM | 237 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:19 PM (#3427409)
Omar: They bought it. Incredible. One of the worst performances of my career, and Mets fans never doubted it for a second.
   2. JJ1986 Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:28 PM (#3427422)
Things were worse in 2002-03 and much worse in the early 90s. Why would anyone quit now?
   3. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:30 PM (#3427424)
To be fair, this article leaves out this part of his quote:

"The Mets had so many injuries last year. I don’t understand how it could happen that much. And if they don’t get hurt again — but they probably will — I still think it’s a good team. So I can’t help it. I’m hopeful."

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/matthew_broderick_quDKdFkY8pOo0fNxJGSISK/1
   4. Something Other Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:37 PM (#3427435)
Didn't I see that punk at a Cubs game? Fickle frickin' Hollywood clucks!
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:38 PM (#3427437)
His taste in women is even worse than his taste in teams. </ducking>
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:45 PM (#3427445)
His taste in women is even worse than his taste in teams.

True, she has to be the ugliest "star" going.
   7. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:46 PM (#3427449)
She wasn't even the ugliest one on her terrible show.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:50 PM (#3427455)
His taste in women is even worse than his taste in teams. </ducking>


That hardly seems to be an opinion that would require ducking, since the vast majority of men seem to share it. I, however, am not among them.
   9. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:52 PM (#3427457)
Who was it who once referred to SJP as "Dee Snider with a better body"?
   10. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:53 PM (#3427458)
Damn. It's learning!
   11. zonk Posted: January 04, 2010 at 09:54 PM (#3427459)
Considering no one can be certain what Ferris had to endure in high school, you might all consider cutting him some slack.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:01 PM (#3427465)
How about a nice game of chess?
   13. Lassus Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:02 PM (#3427468)
Broderick was a weasel all the way back to high school.
   14. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:05 PM (#3427472)
True, she has to be the ugliest "star" going.


She's still around?
   15. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:11 PM (#3427477)
In other news, Hal Linden considers adding strawberries to his Special K.
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:23 PM (#3427489)
She wasn't even the ugliest one on her terrible show.

SHE was on that show?
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:26 PM (#3427491)
Who was it who once referred to SJP as "Dee Snider with a better body"?


Maybe that's why he likes her?
   18. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 10:51 PM (#3427511)
SHE was on that show?


don't do it.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:01 PM (#3427530)
She wasn't even the ugliest one on her terrible show.

Ugliest? I'd say she was.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:07 PM (#3427541)
Who was it who once referred to SJP as "Dee Snider with a better body"?

That's kind. There's some running gag about there about how her face looks like the bottom of a foot.
   21. Sam M. Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:11 PM (#3427547)
It was not a terrible show. It was a great show.

Why does it have to be the gay guy around here who says that every time the subject comes up? Sigh.
   22. esseff Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:41 PM (#3427585)
   23. salvomania Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:50 PM (#3427593)
It was not a terrible show. It was a great show.


It was a terrible show. I humored a girlfriend by watching it with her, but come on: every single show had the high-school-essay-like Great Epiphany: "And that was the moment when I realized...". It was cringe-inducing multiple times per show.
   24. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:50 PM (#3427595)
I'm straight and I'm willing to admit that I thought it was a good show. The writing was excellent and the acting was good for the most part.
   25. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: January 04, 2010 at 11:56 PM (#3427600)
I humored a girlfriend by watching it with her, but come on: every single show had the high-school-essay-like Great Epiphany: "And that was the moment when I realized...". It was cringe-inducing multiple times per show.

It was like watching Doogie Howser, M.D., without the awesomeness of Neil Patrick Harris.
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:08 AM (#3427607)
It was not a terrible show. It was a great show.


Sorry, Sam. I tried watching it once, and I don't know that I've ever enjoyed a show less.
   27. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:08 AM (#3427608)
It wasn't a terrible show, but I do find it amusing that every woman I know seems to think they're the Carrie of their group of friends.
   28. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:11 AM (#3427610)
Is that the same principle that makes every guy think they are Charlie out of the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia crowd?
Or is that just me.
   29. Darren Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:20 AM (#3427621)
Maybe I'm getting old (ha, yeah, maybe), but it's depressing that guys are so eager to talk about how ugly a woman is. Particularly a woman is fairly normal looking. It was even worse with Steve Phillips' girlfriend, which whenever his affair or even his name was mentioned, would be the subject of 50-70 posts about how fat and unattractive she was. Is it really that entertaining to make post after post about how you don't find someone attractive? Is there some sort of ego boost involved that I'm missing. Because reading it is just depressing.
   30. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:25 AM (#3427624)
Is there some sort of ego boost involved that I'm missing.


You don't understand the ego boost that comes from tearing someone else down? God, what a moron.

I bet you're hideous, too.
   31. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:31 AM (#3427628)
I assume you guys are not talking about Square Pegs! That was *not* a terrible show.
   32. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:33 AM (#3427630)
I assume you guys are not talking about Square Pegs! That was *not* a terrible show.


Especially not the Steve Sax one.

Is that the same principle that makes every guy think they are Charlie out of the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia crowd?


I'm the Frank on good days, the Cricket on bad days.
   33. JPWF13 Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:40 AM (#3427635)
True, she has to be the ugliest "star" going.


It's all subjective, I don't know, I always found her attractive for reasons I can't quite define, though if you asked me I'd say that by classical beauty standards she's yech...

Then again, I never particularly thought Julia Roberts was good looking, but years ago a friend remarked how her face looked horse-like to him, the next time I saw her picture I thought, egads it does, she's look downright hideous to me ever after...

It was like watching Doogie Howser, M.D., without the awesomeness of Neil Patrick Harris.


The only thing more cringe inducing to me than Doogie Howser/Neal Patrick Harris was Wesley Crusher/Wil Wheaton
   34. frannyzoo Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:41 AM (#3427636)
SATC is a guilty pleasure that I watch, but only when my wife is not around. If she comes around and I'm watching it, I switch to something more manly. Dr. Jung, Dr. Freud. Paging Drs. Jung and Freud please.
   35. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:43 AM (#3427637)
It's all subjective, I don't know, I always found her attractive for reasons I can't quite define, though if you asked me I'd say that by classical beauty standards she's yech...


I thought she was cute in her Square Pegs/Footloose days and very attractive in the LA Story/whatever that Vegas movie was with Nick Cage days. She hasn't aged terribly well, though that is a fate that befalls a lot of women in their mid-40s.
   36. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:43 AM (#3427638)
I'm with Darren, but I didn't want to be the first to say so.

From a collection of boys, eh, common.
   37. PreservedFish Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:44 AM (#3427640)
I got in big trouble with a pack of females when I suggested that a flaw in the show was that the four main characters are not really very good friends at all. But they aren't! Carrie is good friends with the other three, and those three all hate each other because they are stereotypes and their fundamental convictions collide.

This is, by the way, a good explanation for why all girls think that they are the Carrie of their groups. Carrie is the only complex character. She has elements of the slutty one, elements of the cynical career-driven one, elements of the naive little princess one. Few would ever identify with the other three because they are, for the most part, caricatures.
   38. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:48 AM (#3427643)
Then again, I never particularly thought Julia Roberts was good looking, but years ago a friend remarked how her face looked horse-like to him, the next time I saw her picture I thought, egads it does, she's look downright hideous to me ever after...

I had this experience in some movie where Angelina Jolie starred with Jon Voigt. Seeing them in the same scene just drew out the family resemblance and now whenever I see Angelina Jolie's face it morphs into Jon Voigt's...not pleasant.

I have it in for Sarah Jessica Parker, not so much because of her looks, but because I thought she nearly ruined two movies I've seen recently which may have otherwise been enjoyable, The Family Stone and Smart People.
Actually, both those movies have a similar pro/con list for me

Bad: Sarah Jessica Parker (though Rupert Everrett was pretty terrible too)
Meh: Everyone else
Good: The young Canadian actresses (though Lowell from Wings was good too)
   39. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:51 AM (#3427645)
I'm a straight guy, and I agree that SATC isn't terrible. The movie, on the other hand, was beyond terrible.

It wasn't a terrible show, but I do find it amusing that every woman I know seems to think they're the Carrie of their group of friends.

I don't think that's the case. My significant other thinks the power of the show is that women can see a part of themselves in each of the main characters.
   40. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:53 AM (#3427650)
His taste in women is even worse than his taste in teams. </ducking>

That hardly seems to be an opinion that would require ducking

I was ducking because I was poking fun at my Mets friends.

I never particularly thought Julia Roberts was good looking, but years ago a friend remarked how her face looked horse-like to him, the next time I saw her picture I thought, egads it does, she's look downright hideous to me ever after...
I did that to a friend long ago. He was dating this girl with a knockout body, tall, clear skin but aquiline features. She was really nasty to him but he was head over heels in love/lust. He asked me what I thought of her and without really thinking, I said that she looked like a horse. He broke up with her within the week because he said he couldn't look at her without seeing her as a horse. I would have felt bad had she been a good person. I have learned to be more considered in responding to such questions.
   41. JPWF13 Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:54 AM (#3427651)
I had this experience in some movie where Angelina Jolie starred with Jon Voigt. Seeing them in the same scene just drew out the family resemblance and now whenever I see Angelina Jolie's face it morphs into Jon Voigt's...not pleasant.


I remember when my wife was watching some show discussing acting families, and they had a snippet on Jolie and Voigt, and I couldn'ty and still can't see any shred of a family resemblance, even when they compered a young (ie: non hideous) John Voigt will Jolie...

Now one actress I can't stomach for the reason you mention is Liv Tyler...
   42. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:00 AM (#3427656)
He asked me what I thought of her and without really thinking, I said that she looked like a horse.

This is great!
I think I'll add that to my catalogue of immediate responses to questions. I'm working on my lying and I find I can believably lie if I shoot out an answer to a question immediately.
So far I have a "He/She went home" response to any kind of "Where is X?" question, with a terrific success rate so far.
   43. Sam M. Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:00 AM (#3427657)
The only thing more cringe inducing to me than Doogie Howser/Neal Patrick Harris was Wesley Crusher/Wil Wheaton

I would give up my job, the Mets, and pretty much all of my political convictions if it meant I could spend the rest of my life with Neil Patrick Harris. He is the absolute, 100% man of my dreams. I'd give up a lot just for one night, but for a lifetime? Paging Mr. Applegate; we have a deal to discuss . . . . .

Wil Wheaton, OTOH . . . blech.
   44. Harry Balsagne, anti-Centaur hate crime division Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:03 AM (#3427658)
Gotta agree on the SJP heinousness tip. My wife, who loves Sex in the City, even admits to this fact, but insists that she was cuter back in the day, which I agreed with. But I recently watched Ed Wood, and no. No no no.

Sex in the City is an awful show that reinforces stereotypes about women being shallow, catty materialists whose lives can't have meaning without a man. It's amazing to me all the women I know who claim to be feminists that love Sex in the City.

The characters on that show are downright ghoulish. And it's not like Seinfeld where the characters are ######## but you aren't expected to approve of their behavior--they really try and get you to sympathize with these soulless harpies.

I also really detest how New York-centric Carrie is. Every episode there is some statement about how New York is superior to every other place on Earth. Carrie goes to France: "Nationality?" "New Yorker." Has to leave after a few days because she can't hack it off the island. Barf.
   45. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:10 AM (#3427662)

I would give up my job, the Mets, and pretty much all of my political convictions if it meant I could spend the rest of my life with Neil Patrick Harris.


I don't know, dude. He seems like a real mess in those Harold and Kumar movies.
   46. JPWF13 Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:11 AM (#3427663)
I also really detest how New York-centric Carrie is. Every episode there is some statement about how New York is superior to every other place on Earth.


Personally that was the only tolerable part of the show, New York is superior to every other place on earth, can't deal with that fact? Go find another planet.
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:13 AM (#3427664)
Is that the same principle that makes every guy think they are Charlie out of the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia crowd?
Or is that just me.


I think its just you. I thought it was pretty clear I was the brains, and Mac is the brawn. What does that make you?

WILD CARD #######!
   48. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:22 AM (#3427669)
He broke up with her within the week because he said he couldn't look at her without seeing her as a horse.


Not a man for (p)laying the ponies, then?
   49. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:23 AM (#3427670)
So, Sam, does Harris beat out Wright, if he's the first active player to come out?

Or does the choice solve itself when you have a cardiac arrest or stroke or aneurysm at the prospect?
   50. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:31 AM (#3427677)
Not fair of you to edit before anyone can make a joke out of the phrase "stroke at the prospect."
   51. Sam M. Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:33 AM (#3427679)
So, Sam, does Harris beat out Wright, if he's the first active player to come out?

Or does the choice solve itself when you have a cardiac arrest or stroke at the prospect?


David who? I'm telling you, I would give up the Mets for NPH. This includes David Wright, it includes Gay David Wright (though that would sweeten the pot, I grant you), and it includes my ticket stub from Game 6.

I don't know, dude. He seems like a real mess in those Harold and Kumar movies.

And THAT is just a measure of the breadth of his amazing talent -- that someone so utterly perfect could seem to be such a mess. His performances in How I Met Your Mother only add to his legend.
   52. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:35 AM (#3427683)
[50] HA! Well, I really like the word "aneurysm".
   53. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:43 AM (#3427692)
Several years ago, I ran into Broderick and SJP at a play (starring Nathan Lane, of course- I believe it was his first Broadway appearance post-"The Producers"). They were cordial, discreet, polite, and shockingly unattractive. I say this only b/c most under-50 celebrities I've seen were much better looking IRL than on screen: they're celebrities for a reason. SJP was just...plain. And awkwardly skinny. If you didn't know she was a star actress, you'd never guess it in a million years.
   54. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:49 AM (#3427695)
I'm telling you, I would give up the Mets for NPH Shakira. This includes David Wright, it includes Gay David Wright (though that would sweeten the pot, I grant you), and it includes my ticket stub from Game 6

I mean, I'd have to steal Mark Donelson's game 6 ticket stub and his Graig Nettles foul ball, but I'd do it.
   55. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:51 AM (#3427697)
A good friend of mine once dated a girl who, while otherwise absolutely beautiful, bore a disturbing facial resemblance to Bernie Williams. Now, Bernie's a handsome guy, but the resemblance took on a life of its own for me, to the point that eventually she looked to me like Bernie Williams in drag. I didn't mention it to my friend until after they broke up.
   56. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:52 AM (#3427699)

It's all subjective, I don't know, I always found her attractive for reasons I can't quite define, though if you asked me I'd say that by classical beauty standards she's yech...


That's because "classical beauty" isn't how boners work. She's feminine and healthy; has nice hair and clothes. It's not complicated.
   57. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 05, 2010 at 01:57 AM (#3427704)
A good friend of mine once dated a girl who, while otherwise absolutely beautiful, bore a disturbing facial resemblance to Bernie Williams.


I knew a Dave Justice girl like that. She would have been gorgeous if I hadn't been a baseball fan.
   58. walt williams bobblehead Posted: January 05, 2010 at 02:04 AM (#3427715)
I find women attractive. I've never really seen any upside to refining my tastes beyond that.
   59. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 05, 2010 at 02:31 AM (#3427738)
I also really detest how New York-centric Carrie is. Every episode there is some statement about how New York is superior to every other place on Earth. Carrie goes to France: "Nationality?" "New Yorker." Has to leave after a few days because she can't hack it off the island. Barf.

It's more Manhattan-centric than NYC-centric. Weren't they always sneering at the mere suggestion of going to Brooklyn?
   60. CFiJ Posted: January 05, 2010 at 03:47 AM (#3427796)
For Sarah Jessica Parker at her peak, one should watch L.A. Story. She wasn't bad in Footloose, either.

I really liked Kim Cattrall in "Big Trouble in Little China". Those who are fans of her should definitely see an obscure (but good) Rutger Hauer movie called "Split Second".
   61. a fatty cow that need two seats (cough, cough) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 03:55 AM (#3427804)
I also really detest how New York-centric Carrie is. Every episode there is some statement about how New York is superior to every other place on Earth.

I, too, have watched the show (moreso since I moved in with my girlfriend, who, thanks to HBO on Demand, likes to have SATC on in the background way too often), and the episode where Carrie goes to Suffern might be the worst episode of an otherwise-ok tv show this decade.
   62. AndrewJ Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:29 AM (#3427847)
SJP was terrific as the title character in Seabiscuit.

(h/t Andrew Dice Clay on a Howard Stern broadcast)
   63. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:31 AM (#3427849)
Considering the level of television entertainment overall, I don't see how you can put Sex and the City below replacement-level. That really makes little sense. It was entertaining and clever writing for its intended audience, and somewhat beyond. Not liking it makes perfect sense, but calling it empirically bad doesn't.
   64. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:37 AM (#3427851)
Agreed, Lassus. The show wasn't exactly created for or marketed to us.
   65. AndrewJ Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:41 AM (#3427855)
Am I alone in thinking Ferris Bueller's Day Off (which came out the spring I graduated high school, for the record) just a trifle overrated?
   66. HowardMegdal Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:44 AM (#3427858)
Considering the level of television entertainment overall, I don't see how you can put Sex and the City below replacement-level. That really makes little sense.

Pretty clearly, you can be above replacement level on television and still be terrible. I mean, replacement level on television is- what, Samantha Who??
   67. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:46 AM (#3427859)
Pretty clearly, you can be above replacement level on television and still be terrible.

Your negativity troubles me, Howard.
   68. HowardMegdal Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:56 AM (#3427866)
Your negativity troubles me, Howard.

Just for that, I'm dropping out of the league!

And I'm not entirely negative on television. In fact, I'm about to go write about some of the best TV shows of 2009. Seriously.
   69. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 05, 2010 at 04:57 AM (#3427867)
I really liked Kim Cattrall in "Big Trouble in Little China".


One of my favourite movies ever!!!

If anyone is looking for a kick ass TV Show then get all over 'Party Down' - it is awesome - great acting and scripts that depict real people - love it
   70. DevilInABlueCap Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:07 AM (#3427870)
Pretty clearly, you can be above replacement level on television and still be terrible. I mean, replacement level on television is- what, Samantha Who??


Doesn't replacement level on television have to be some show that is constantly on the border of being canceled? So considering how popular SATC was, the long-running success of the show and the enormous franchise built around it (including what is and what will be two horrific movies), it should be at least a long-running mediocrity that has good spikes. Like Juan Pierre.

(Full disclosure: I am part of the marketed audience for SATC, and I was addicted to it through high school. Being college age now, I have found that my appreciation for it has dimmed. It's a good show if you don't want something intense and meaningful. Sometimes you just want to be entertained without thinking too much, you know? Not everything can be Mad Men.)
   71. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:07 AM (#3427871)
Am I alone in thinking Ferris Bueller's Day Off (which came out the spring I graduated high school, for the record) just a trifle overrated?

Depends who's doing the rating, but I think cult favourites like that tend to be inherently overrated by those who belong to the cult. I think it reaches a point where you actually like the idea of the movie even more than the movie itself. It's strange how it works, though I don't quite feel that way about Ferris Bueller, I'm able to see where people are coming from when they feel that way...but I have friends who have similar feelings towards the Breakfast Club which entirely perplexes me.

I should note that I am not immune to this tendency to overrate certain movies, mine just happen to be other ones like The Big Lebowski* and Beautiful Girls.

*Before anyone says "But The Big Lebowski is actually a really good movie"...trust me, no movie is as emprically good as I imagine The Big Lebowski is.
   72. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:11 AM (#3427873)
Doesn't replacement level on television have to be some show that is constantly on the border of being canceled?

Like Star Trek and Arrested Development!

EDIT: This would be a fun idea. A BTF TV Show Hall of Merit or something.
   73. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:11 AM (#3427874)
And I'm not entirely negative on television. In fact, I'm about to go write about some of the best TV shows of 2009. Seriously.

This had better include Better Off Ted.
   74. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:18 AM (#3427877)
I think movies from the past are like music. It depends on where you are at the time. I'll always love All Shook Down by the Replacements as it was the first album of theirs I bought - I had no idea how good Tim and Let it Be were to be honest (no internet then - just this hype that the Replacements rocked from what I read in REM interviews)

I think movies are like that - the Breakfast Club and Bueller and even Sex and the City as a series are sort of like that for some people who were in a place at the time where it suited them. I mean I used to watch Van Damme movies all the time and can still quote Kickboxer and Bloodsport word for word for christ sakes!!
   75. HowardMegdal Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:19 AM (#3427878)
Like Star Trek and Arrested Development!

Take me to a world where replacement level television is Arrested Development.
   76. Baldrick Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:20 AM (#3427881)
Sex and the City was a perfectly good show. Not great, but entertaining, occasionally quite clever, and usually somewhat compelling.

The superficiality of it, the NYC-centric attitude, the way all the supplemental characters are varying degrees of caricature...all legitimate complaints. But it doesn't make it terrible, just limited.

Not to make this yet another Jack Morris thread, but SATC kind of seems like the Jack Morris of TV shows. Never really that great, but quite a lot of value provided over a relatively long career. A surprisingly large group of people think it's Teh Most Awesome Show Evar, which produces a lot of justified frustration on the part of folks who know there are tons of unrecognized shows out there that are far better. But this justifiable anger sometimes spills over into an overreaction which treats it like it was terrible.

It didn't have the Game 7 moment. But it did have a postseason epic fail comparable to Morris' postseason career after 91. Namely, the movie(s).
   77. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:21 AM (#3427882)
Take me to a world where replacement level television is Arrested Development.

Sadly I think we live in that world
If you define "replacement level" as "the kind of show that gets taken off the air and replaced"
   78. DevilInABlueCap Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:26 AM (#3427884)
It didn't have the Game 7 moment.


I would say that the series finale was as close as you could get. It's hard to put together a series finale that doesn't leave too many people cold. It had gotten a bit outrageous/weird in Seasons 5 & 6, but the end kind of got all of the characters to the right place.

That's all opinion though.

(And while I hated the dismissal of Brooklyn: the NYC-centric attitude remains one of the best things about the show. At least they used all of Manhattan instead of just the Upper East Side or the Upper West Side or SoHo.)
   79. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:26 AM (#3427885)
This had better include Better Off Ted.


Loved season one - cant wait to see two soon!!!
   80. Greg K Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:27 AM (#3427886)
So what are some good analogies?

Arrested Development = Sandy Koufax?

I guess there'd be a lot of options for players that looked like they'd be good, then just kind of fell apart after a few years for the Office, Lost, Weeds and about a million other shows that probably should have just gone 3 seasons.

Simpsons = Nolan Ryan? If Nolan Ryan sucked for those 50,000 innings he pitched after turning 35.

Mad Men = Chase Utley?
   81. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:28 AM (#3427887)
Can somebody point to something, anything that was clever on Sex and the City? It was vapid mindless TV, that I could understand if 40 year old housewives liked. The fact that I was in college and my friends adored the show just blew my mind. It's just bad TV.

The fact that it was on and entertained people doesn't mean it wasn't terrible. 2 and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory draw great ratings too.
   82. Lassus Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:34 AM (#3427890)
As I said - I can see not liking it, which it's clear you didn't, SouthSide. There's no amount of clever that could be pointed out to your satisfaction, you're just subjectively against it, which is fine.
   83. a fatty cow that need two seats (cough, cough) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 06:03 AM (#3427919)
Not if you're NBC, I'm afraid.
   84. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 06:16 AM (#3427932)
Arrested Development = Tony Conigliaro

Grey's Anatomy = Enzo Hernandez

ER = Chris Speier
   85. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 06:30 AM (#3427946)
I really liked Kim Cattrall in "Big Trouble in Little China".

She did have beautiful green eyes...
   86. HowardMegdal Posted: January 05, 2010 at 06:42 AM (#3427956)
Arrested Development = Tony Conigliaro

Nah, Roy Hobbs. And the movie will be his season with the Knights.
   87. bobm Posted: January 05, 2010 at 07:00 AM (#3427963)
"Sex and the City" always reminded me of "The Golden Girls".
   88. Baldrick Posted: January 05, 2010 at 07:08 AM (#3427966)
The Simpsons are Pete Rose - without the betting.

Disagree that the finale of Sex and the City was good. It was a little bit better than what you'd expect from a final episode, which are almost universally horrible. But not much better.

It's pretty rare for a show to be any good after the fifth season. I was always impressed that Seinfeld had some of their best episodes in that last year. But, of course, finished with a terrible final episode.

Buffy had an AWESOME final episode. At the end of season 5. But then they made two terrible seasons after it. Oh well.
   89. Baldrick Posted: January 05, 2010 at 07:10 AM (#3427967)
"Sex and the City" always reminded me of "The Golden Girls".

The Golden Girls was a great show. Really funny. Shockingly honest. Occasionally a little heavy handed and obvious but surprisingly subversive in spite of it.
   90. AJMcCringleberry Posted: January 05, 2010 at 07:19 AM (#3427968)
I'd give up the Mets and start rooting for the Dodgers for Alyssa Milano.

The Simpsons = Babe Ruth

Arrested Development = greatness cut short by other factors...Koufax?

I was always impressed that Seinfeld had some of their best episodes in that last year. But, of course, finished with a terrible final episode.

I like how they joked about that on Curb this season.
   91. Gonfalon B. Posted: January 05, 2010 at 07:38 AM (#3427971)
I assume you guys are not talking about Square Pegs! That was *not* a terrible show.

Especially not the Steve Sax one.


The Steve Sax episode of MTV's "Remote Control" was better.
   92. puck Posted: January 05, 2010 at 08:21 AM (#3427975)

Arrested Development = greatness cut short by other factors...Koufax?


How about Kal Daniels or Tony Conigliaro?
   93. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 05, 2010 at 08:51 AM (#3427980)
It's pretty rare for a show to be any good after the fifth season.


Great point - I get the feeling 30 Rock won't be going to far past that point though money is a wonderfull thing - I have not seen season 6 of the Office yet but Seasons one and four (strike?) are pretty damn short.

The Wire would have struggled with a sixth season while the Sopranos went one or two too many for me as well.
   94. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 05, 2010 at 08:55 AM (#3427981)
I just want to say the second season of Parks and Recreation has been outstanding. A lot of people quit on the show because the first season wasn't great but I highly encourage everyone to watch the second season.
   95. Ryan Lind Posted: January 05, 2010 at 08:56 AM (#3427983)
Season 5 of the Shield was the best, as well.
   96. Baldrick Posted: January 05, 2010 at 08:59 AM (#3427985)
The recent Office has been pretty stinky. They've still got occasional good bits, but it's nowhere near as funny or fun as it used to be. 30 Rock is still good, but I'm starting to feel like the manic grins are getting a bit forced.

I agree that Parks and Recreation has been good. I've also really, surprisingly loved Community - which I think has been my favorite of the four this year.
   97. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 05, 2010 at 09:19 AM (#3427987)
The Wire would have struggled with a sixth season


Apparently if they'd known they were going to go six seasons, Season #6 would have tackled immigration issues.
And no doubt would've done so AWESOMELY.
   98. CraigK Posted: January 05, 2010 at 09:32 AM (#3427990)
The Venture Brothers is eqivalent to a player that was good-but-not-great for a while and then suddenly busted out with a massive talent improvement in the middle of its career.

Like Brady Anderson if the '97 spike was permanent.
   99. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 05, 2010 at 09:58 AM (#3427992)
Apparently if they'd known they were going to go six seasons, Season #6 would have tackled immigration issues.
And no doubt would've done so AWESOMELY.


Where did you read that?? I have followed just about every single known blog and website on the Wire and never saw a mention of Season 6 - I think it might have been a stretch (then again everyone thought that the public schools line would not work and look what happened there!) as the show was wearing thin in my humble opinion.

Some say that only 10 episodes hurt the Wire in Season 5 but seriously the newspaper angled sucked. It was covered in Shattered Glass and seemed like a really uncomfortable David Simon vendetta against his old employer that was boring in the end. The McNulty storyline was borderline idiotic as well.

Season 6 might have totally been refreshing as they moved away from the newspaper #### as well - who knows??
   100. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: January 05, 2010 at 10:03 AM (#3427993)
The recent Office has been pretty stinky. They've still got occasional good bits, but it's nowhere near as funny or fun as it used to be. 30 Rock is still good, but I'm starting to feel like the manic grins are getting a bit forced.


Thanks - have you seen Party Down?? You'd love it
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