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Friday, October 26, 2012

Matthews: Mariano Rivera should retire, for Yanks’ sake

Gone: Haters Gonna Mo Hayder!

On the flip side, while an unsuccessful comeback could never really tarnish him, does anyone really want to see Rivera finishing up the way Trevor Hoffman did?

...No one knows for sure if he will be able to pitch effectively again after major knee surgery. Despite Mo’s singular talent and impeccable work ethic, the file on 43-year-old closers coming back from such an injury is not only thin but nonexistent.

Already, Mo had been doing what no closer had ever done before. It may be that asking him to do this would finally be asking too much.

In some sense, Rivera may know it. That could be why, six months after he was so sure he would come back, suddenly he is not so sure.

You know the old saying about how once you start thinking about retirement, you’re as good as retired, because you’ve already got one foot out the door?

Clearly, Rivera already has one foot out the door.

For his sake, and the Yankees’, maybe it’s time for the other foot to follow.

Repoz Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:30 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4284511)
No reason not to have him back if the price is right. Clearly paying him anything close to the $15M he made last year is a non-starter. But, if he'll play for $5M plus incentives, I can't see him hurting the Yankees.
   2. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4284513)
Tarnish him? Please. The best cutter the world has ever known.
   3. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4284516)
People are quick to tell somebody else when to retire.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4284518)
When Mariano Rivera began his career, unemployment was at 5.6 percent. Today it is at 7.8. I'm just saying maybe its time he retire and let someone else do the job.
   5. AndrewJ Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4284520)
"You quit when you quit," Bill Bradley once said. "What law says you have to leave when you're on top? How do you even know?"
   6. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4284522)
For his sake, and the Yankees’, maybe it’s time for the other foot to follow.

Yeah, because the last the thing the Yanks need is to take a shot at having another good reliever. After all, the bullpen is SO deep and the farm system is SO loaded with guys who can step in right away and help next year.

The only reasonable argument for Mo to retire would be to preserve the over 200 ERA+. But I don't think Mo is so concerned about that.
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4284525)
If Mariano wants to come back he should come back. Short of something truly scandalous (game fixing, PED) there is nothing that is going to tarnish him in any meaningful way.

I go around and around on retirements. There is a part of me that wants to see players retire before they get old. The idea of going out on top sounds really good to me. At the same time I think there is something about the Steve Carlton retirement tour and while it was sad to see Lefty get knocked around and released by about 5 teams there is something gratifying that we truly saw every useful pitch of Steve Carlton's life. When Carlton was finally done, he was done. There is not a time when you think "I wonder if he had one more year left", it was undoubtedly over.

As a fan I'm selfishly glad I didn't miss anything. If I were a player I think I'd be able to enter retirement gracefully knowing that I truly "left it all on the field."
   8. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4284527)
The only reasonable argument for Mo to retire would be to preserve the over 200 ERA+. But I don't think Mo is so concerned about that.

Pedro Martinez's 100th loss makes me sad. Greg Maddux's 999 walks make me happy. Numbers are silly, and so am I.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4284530)
People are quick to tell somebody else when to retire.

How long has Matthews been doing this anyway?

Up to Mo. If he wants to give it a go, of course you bring him to spring training, see how it goes. Proceed from there.
   10. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4284541)
"You quit when you quit," Bill Bradley once said. "What law says you have to leave when you're on top? How do you even know?"

"You don't retire at your convenience," Reggie Jackson once said. "You don't die when you're ready ... There are no announcements. There are no invitations. You're just gone."
   11. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4284553)
I don't know how, but I kind of expect Reggie to make an announcement about his own death.
   12. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:49 PM (#4284566)
Clearly paying him anything close to the $15M he made last year is a non-starter.
So what you're saying is that there's no way that the Yankees want him back.
   13. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:54 PM (#4284570)
I've kind of thought this since he hurt himself. I don't look forward to him getting whaled on by all sorts of guys who shouldn't be getting hits off Mariano Rivera. He's going to get old at some point, and selfishly I don't want to see a proud man get embarassed by time and possibly by the Minnesota Twins.

But I think that my opinion is completely worthless in this. It's his decision, and that of the Yankees.
   14. JE (Jason) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4284644)
Sure, he should retire effective immediately. "He" being Matthews, of course.
   15. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4284681)
Rivera is a robot. He had to miss this season to retool his CPU or something but next year he'll be back to being Rivera.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4284687)
Rivera is a robot. He had to miss this season to retool his CPU or something but next year he'll be back to being Rivera.

He went with Android naturally.
   17. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4284689)
"There is no guarantee that he will be astoundingly great" seems to me to be a pretty poor reason to say that a guy who has consistently been astoundingly great should retire.
   18. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4284701)
Paraphrasing Comic the Insult Comic Dog:

When Rivera comes out of the bullpen, the PA asks people not to use their cell phones. Might mess with the programming.
   19. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4284702)
I think I'd be happy if the Yankees signed him to some big deal, he came out in the 9th during the home opener, got the save in his usual Rivera-ian way, tipped his cap to the crowd, and then retired (and forgo the rest of his money).

And I'm not a Yankees fan...
   20. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4284715)
Yeah, I'm reasonably sure there would be salary cap restraints there, though.

"Well, we're paying $15 million to Mo this year. Wha?"
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4284716)
There is no indication that Rivera's injury will have any lingering effects. I suspect that his mulling about retirement is just a bit of a negotiating ploy, although he's not even going to be asked to take a pay cut. Maybe he just goes 1 year with some sort of option beyond that.
   22. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4284734)
Its not like it happened mid season, i fully expect mo to be ready to roll cpme sprimg for thos year and maybe one more.
   23. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:38 PM (#4284747)
As someone with an abiding dislike for the Yankees, I want to see Rivera come back and be good. He shouldn't go out from an injury sustained while shagging fly balls in the preseason. And he's been so amazing that he gets to choose what terms he goes out on.
   24. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 27, 2012 at 06:04 AM (#4284801)
I should retire.
   25. Belfry Bob Posted: October 27, 2012 at 07:57 AM (#4284808)
I don't know how, but I kind of expect Reggie to make an announcement about his own death.

Choking on a Reggie bar.

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