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Max Muncy admits flopping, Yankees seek answers after controversial call

Los Angeles Dodgers second baseman Max Muncy admitted that he added a sprinkle of Hollywood into Saturday’s controversial 2-1 victory against the New York Yankees.

Muncy was involved in the game’s defining play, a bang-bang force out in the ninth inning that resulted in two different replay reviews and ended with a controversial timeout that ultimately negated the game-tying run.

The timeout was called by Dodgers closer Kenley Jansen and granted by the umpires after Muncy appeared injured by Brett Gardner’s hard slide.

Though according to Muncy, he was playing up his pain in order to prevent New York’s Gleyber Torres from scoring the tying run on the play.

Well, soccer has been getting more popular in the United States…..

 

 

QLE Posted: August 25, 2019 at 02:48 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bad calls, flopping, max muncy

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   1. The Duke Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:16 AM (#5874378)
I miss the days when players would look aghast at the reporter when accused of a crime. “Who? Me?”
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:54 AM (#5874381)
“If the Yankees don’t want me to flop, they can go get me out of the ocean.”
   3. JJ1986 Posted: August 26, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5874385)
I don't understand why the umpires are calling timeout in the middle of the play under any circumstances.
   4. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5874407)
Umps call time on such situations all the time, watch what happens on a wild pitch. The catcher picks the ball up and even though he’s 50 feet from home plate the umpire calls time. My guess what happened here is that Torres initially stopped at third so the HP ump called time then Torres realized Muncy was down and out and raced home.

It was a mistake but I don’t think it was that surprising. Now if Torres had kept running all the way (and I never saw a wide angle so I might be wrong) then that’s a much bigger mistake but if Torres had come to a halt then I don’t think it’s really surprising.
   5. Rusty Priske Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5874437)
Well, that is appalling.

So Muncy just openly admitted to lying and cheating.
   6. Perry Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5874455)
I don't understand why the umpires are calling timeout in the middle of the play under any circumstances.


They shouldn't. The only time they're supposed to call time is if it's requested and all immediate play has ceased.

The catcher picks the ball up and even though he’s 50 feet from home plate the umpire calls time.


And that's fine, if no baserunners are moving.
   7. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5874457)
And that's fine, if no baserunners are moving.


That’s why I said assuming Torres had stopped at third base then it’s not really unusual.
   8. Davo Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5874462)
Have the Yankees actually lodged a protest? It seems...not 100% impossible that it could be granted?
   9. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5874466)
I don't understand why the umpires are calling timeout in the middle of the play under any circumstances.


FTFE:

The timeout was called by Dodgers closer Kenley Jansen and granted by the umpires after Muncy appeared injured by Brett Gardner’s hard slide.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5874474)
Have the Yankees actually lodged a protest? It seems...not 100% impossible that it could be granted?

They failed to protest immediately, so they can not.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5874477)
Have the Yankees actually lodged a protest? It seems...not 100% impossible that it could be granted?


Besides the fact that they didn't I don't see how it would be. This was just a mistake, it's not like the ump didn't know that time can't be called when a play is going on, he just thought the play was over.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5874482)

Besides the fact that they didn't I don't see how it would be. This was just a mistake, it's not like the ump didn't know that time can't be called when a play is going on, he just thought the play was over.


Yeah, no rule was misinterpreted, the ump just screwed up. I don't think it's any more appealable than the last "out" of Galarraga's perfect game.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5874495)
well, Galarraga's perfect game was completed when the ball landed in the mitt before the runner reached the base.

similar to Johan Santana allowing a "hit-the-chalk" double to Carlos Beltran in his "no-hitter."

MLB pretends that Santana has a no-hitter and that Galarraga doesn't have a perfect game - but they are wrong on both counts. no appeal is needed in either case. we all know what happened - and what didn't happen.
   14. Sunday silence Posted: August 26, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5874528)
My guess what happened here is that Torres initially stopped at third so the HP ump called time then Torres realized Muncy was down and out and raced home.


your guess seems correct based on still photos I saw on reddit. Torres was walking back to third when the Pitcher asked for time, as the ump was calling time Torres took off. There's a still photo of him 18 or 20 feet from third racing home but at that pt. the ump is the middle of calling time. Seems like no big deal to me,he wouldnt have scored when time was being called. But this is based on still photos maybe someone sees it different.
   15. bunyon Posted: August 26, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5874534)
If 14 is correct, then the flop doesn't matter.

As a matter of procedure, I'd prefer that if a players is injured by a player on the other team (even during a legal play) that the ball be declared dead as soon as all runners arrive at their next base. You don't want - Yankee fans probably did on this play - injuries deciding games.



Having said all that, if Muncy acted hurt instead of getting up and throwing home, he should be suspended, his kids taken away and forced to pitch for the Pirates.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5874536)
As a matter of procedure, I'd prefer that if a players is injured by a player on the other team (even during a legal play) that the ball be declared dead as soon as all runners arrive at their next base. You don't want - Yankee fans probably did on this play - injuries deciding games.

Doesn't that create a glaring incentive to fake injury? Are you going to force the player that goes down to leave the game and go on the DL? Otherwise, on any ball into the gap or corner, why won't the OF flop and fake injury?

To me, you play until the play is over. How is a fielder getting hurt any different than a runner pulling a hammy between bases? Those guys get tagged out, and no one complains.
   17. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 26, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5874542)
So why not call time when an outfielder crashes into a wall and can't get up to chase the ball?
   18. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 26, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5874550)
So Muncy just openly admitted to lying and cheating.


*Yawn* Is an outfielder who knowingly catches the ball on a hop and then acts like they caught the ball a liar and a cheater?
   19. PreservedFish Posted: August 26, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5874562)
Of course
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5874570)
So why not call time when an outfielder crashes into a wall and can't get up to chase the ball?

Because the ump won't grant it. Bunyon's rule would force them to grant it. Which would then make OF flopping de rigeur.
   21. bunyon Posted: August 26, 2019 at 04:52 PM (#5874576)
Fine, grant time if the ball is in possession of a fielder on the infield. Or, yes, absolutely, if you play the injury card, you leave the game.

I'd just rather create an incentive to fake an injury than to injure.

This just didn't seem that gray to me. Fielder catches the ball but is injured by a sliding runner. To have a run score on that would be counter to productive entertainment.

As for runner's going down with hammys or broken legs or what not. Yes, if a runner who everyone in the park knows would make it to the next base can't because they get injured, give them the base.

If they Muncy play had happened in the outfield, there would have been a play at the plate. Letting that runner score is fine. But if Muncy doesn't go down, he's standing at 2nd with the ball and time is granted. The slide and injury create the run, which is what I oppose.


As I said - I think it came off as hyperbolic - Muncy should be punished for this (mostly because he's a moron and admitted it) and, yes, again, absolutely, if a player stops play for an injury, they, at minimum, leave the game.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5874578)
I'd just rather create an incentive to fake an injury than to injure.


Until we see some cases of players intentionally injuring to gain an advantage, I am strongly opposed to providing the incentive to fake it.
   23. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:13 PM (#5874582)
17 was supposed to be sarcasm. Carry on.
   24. JAHV Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5874583)
Is an outfielder who knowingly catches the ball on a hop and then acts like they caught the ball a liar and a cheater?


Yes, they are. Or at least they are the former and they're attempting to be the latter.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5874584)
Until we see some cases of players intentionally injuring to gain an advantage,
"Hold my beer." -- M. Machado
   26. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:16 PM (#5874585)
Since we now have rules against slides that can cause injury, don't we almost have to have a rule against faking injury?
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5874598)
I assume Muncy will now be greeted with derisive “Flop-Per, Flop-Per, Flop-Per” chants, at least in the Bronx. How will he live with the shame?
   28. Greg Pope Posted: August 26, 2019 at 06:10 PM (#5874602)
I'd just rather create an incentive to fake an injury than to injure.

This just didn't seem that gray to me. Fielder catches the ball but is injured by a sliding runner. To have a run score on that would be counter to productive entertainment.

As for runner's going down with hammys or broken legs or what not. Yes, if a runner who everyone in the park knows would make it to the next base can't because they get injured, give them the base.


In the NFL when a player gets hurt during a play, the play proceeds to the end, then there's an official time out and they address the injury. There are rules to prevent teams from abusing the time out, but they don't affect the actual play results.

In the NBA, when a player gets hurt, they don't stop the game. If there's a foul or the ball goes out of bounds, they'll address the injury. If the injured player's team gets the ball and is slowly bringing it up court, the officials will call a time out. But if they're on a fast break, they won't. Basically it's until a natural stop in the action.

MLB does the same thing, right? Play goes on until the ball is dead, then the umpires call a time out. I see no problem with this rule. Nothing needs to be changed. Whether Muncy's injury was real or faked, the umpire waited until the ball was dead and called time out. I haven't seen any video, maybe the umpire made a mistake. But there's no actual incentive for Muncy to fake the injury. If he's faking an injury while the play is alive, he's only hurting his own team. If it's dead, then it's irrelevant.
   29. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:12 PM (#5874623)
Just....really?

"OMG HES CHEATING AND LYING AND MAKING A BLATANT MOCKERY OF OUR GENTLEMANLY SPORT AND BREAKING RULES AND WHATNOT PUNISH HIM IMMEDIATELY WITH SUSPENSIONS AND FINES"

Guys have been faking HBP since HBP got you to 1B.

Where's the ####### charge to remove every single one of those cheating, lying ##### from Cooperstown?

No?

Y'all don't stick hard enough to yer principles to take seriously.


   30. Nasty Nate Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:25 PM (#5874625)
I assume Muncy will now be greeted with derisive “Flop-Per, Flop-Per, Flop-Per” chants, at least in the Bronx.
When will he be playing in the Bronx?
   31. KronicFatigue Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5874638)
I'm an extremist being against all "cheating" but faking an injury is beyond the pale. Stopping play because of an injury should only be done because of the safety of the player. A pitcher gets smacked in the head, you go attend to him. You don't wait for the pickle to end before running out onto the field.

If an injured player is not in immediate danger of the injury worsening, the play should continue. A leg injury, for example, should not stop the play. And as mentioned before, outfielders crashing into walls and getting hurt shouldn't stop play.

Safety is extremely important. The umps should always err on the side of safety. We don't want them second guessing issues when it comes to safety. So, for a player to "cheat" when it comes to this issue, they are risking the future safety of other players. There should be punishment for this kind of cheating, and it should be severe, to act as a deterrence.

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