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Tuesday, July 08, 2014

McCann’s old hitting coach: ‘He’ll never be comfortable’ on Yankees

“New York is not Brian,” Pendleton said before the Braves fell to the Mets 4-3 in 11 innings. “That’s my opinion. I knew if he chose New York, there would be more than he expected or knew about. He’ll never be comfortable with that.”

TP is always making friends.  McCann hit .230/.300/.399 in ‘12 and is hitting .230/.289/.379 now.  He’s fat, has a lot of miles on him, and is on the wrong side of 30.  What did you expect.  Enjoy the part of the contract where he is still able to catch.

Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 08, 2014 at 07:29 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Drexl Spivey Posted: July 09, 2014 at 06:00 AM (#4746771)
I'm in favor of banning links to the New York Post on this site.
   2. Lassus Posted: July 09, 2014 at 08:18 AM (#4746784)
McCann hurting the Yankees is not as bad as him helping the Braves.
   3. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4746795)
I knew this was posted by Robert when he took the idiotic swipe about McCann being "fat." Brian McCann could, of course, outperform Robert in pretty much any athletic endeavor save for perhaps long distance running, and that would be a coin flip. But Robert hates the Braves, so Robert must piss into the wind. Good job, Robert.
   4. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: July 09, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4746814)
I find it curious why certain media outlets insist that McCann is on the team for the length of his contract and the Yankees MUST play him as the starting catcher. The Yankees main leverage is that they can eat huge contracts. If McCann tanks, why would the Yankees not give someone better the starting catcher job? You don't think some team close to a championship who needs a veteran catcher wouldn't take a flyer on McCann if the Yankees eat 99.9% of his contract in a deal?
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 09, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4746815)
I knew this was posted by Robert when he took the idiotic swipe about McCann being "fat."


I thought he showed heroic restraint by not referring to McCann as an assh*le.
   6. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4746816)
knew this was posted by Robert when he took the idiotic swipe about McCann being "fat." Brian McCann could, of course, outperform Robert in pretty much any athletic endeavor save for perhaps long distance running, and that would be a coin flip. But Robert hates the Braves, so Robert must piss into the wind. Good job, Robert.


Nothing against you or McCann (well, other than the fact that he signed with the ############# Yankees without having a gun put to his head), or for that matter the Braves, but since Robert presumably isn't being paid millions & millions of dollars for his athletic prowess, his potential performance as compared to McCann's really couldn't be more irrelevant.

As you certainly know.
   7. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4746828)
Nothing against you or McCann (well, other than the fact that he signed with the ############# Yankees without having a gun put to his head), or for that matter the Braves, but since Robert presumably isn't being paid millions & millions of dollars for his athletic prowess, his potential performance as compared to McCann's really couldn't be more irrelevant.


I disconcur. People sitting around ######## about "fat" athletes from their ####### comfy little computer desks are hypocritical morons, for the most part. Brian McCann has never, not once, reported to camp in anything other than playing shape. When he came up he had a little baby fat on him, as he was still a 20 year old kid. He doesn't any more. Yes, he's over 30 and a catcher, which is why only teams like the Yankees can take a flyer on players like him. But that's not Robert's point. Robert's point is "I hate the Braves and all things Braves related, and I'm going to sit here on my fat ass at the laptop and call a professional athlete who could outperform me in virtually every physical task 'fat' because I'm a petulant ass."

To paraphrase.
   8. JE (Jason) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4746832)
Robert's point is "I hate the Braves and all things Braves related, and I'm going to sit here on my fat ass at the laptop and call a professional athlete who could outperform me in virtually every physical task 'fat' because I'm a petulant ass."

So what? McCann wears pinstripes these days in no small part because the Braves didn't make an effort to keep him.
   9. zonk Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4746835)
In shape or not, McCann's performance has been virtually indistinguishable from say... wellington castillo.

I've always had a soft spot for McCann ever since my roto team grabbed him as a minor leaguer, signed him to a long-term contract based solely on his 2005 1/3 of a season, then watched him lead my team to 3 titles in 5 years.... but from the few PAs I've seen of him this year, he looks rather toasty...
   10. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4746837)
Dunno. Not worth arguing about, of course ... though I think I'd say the same if, say, Brian McCann started carping (for absolutely inconceivable reasons) about Robert's or your or my writing skills, & someone said that he had no business so because ...

Wait. I can't compose an analogy. Not enough caffeine, & not enough reason to remedy that at this point because I'm off this week.

(Not, I hasten to add, that Robert has ever made much of an impression on me. Perhaps he's an idiot or at least plays one on BTF, a la a few other people here.)
   11. Lassus Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4746841)
So what? McCann wears pinstripes these days in no small part because they are rather slimming.

FTFY. Men. Don't you know ANYTHING?
   12. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4746848)
So what? McCann wears pinstripes these days in no small part because the Braves didn't make an effort to keep him.


And?
   13. JE (Jason) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4746855)
And?

Did you fight a losing battle with a rockslide on your recent vacation? If anything, Robert is siding with the Braves, the team that rightly jettisoned McCann. Meanwhile, you're behaving like McCann's mommy.
   14. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4746858)
Forgot the "...and so is Robert in Manhattan Beach" tag.
   15. The Good Face Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4746860)
Girls, girls, McCann can be a fatass AND a better athlete than some middle aged computer jockey! You're BOTH pretty!
   16. Dale Sams Posted: July 09, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4746862)
Hey if Ortiz so much as farts in an elevator, you can count on an article about it being posted here with the requisite piling on. All's fair.
   17. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4746874)
McCann's face has always looked chubby to me but his body is less so.

Anyway, silliness aside, he's now having his second bad year in three, and he's 30. And his BABIP has been low for going on three years now, so it's probably a change in skill. I wouldn't want to be committed to him for five more years, especially not at his salary, but I think we've seen that teams ARE able to, against all odds, move these albatross contracts. (Carl Crawford, Vernon Wells, even Prince Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez to an extent.) So it's probably not a big deal.
   18. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 09, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4746909)
If anything, Robert is siding with the Braves, the team that rightly jettisoned McCann.

Winner!. The Braves are good at pulling the plug. Andruw, Javy, Marcus Giles.

outperform Robert in pretty much any athletic endeavor save for perhaps long distance running, and that would be a coin flip

I ran the LA marathon this year in 3:06 (my lifelong quest to break three hours remains unfulfilled), I would estimate McCann's finishing time as half dead. He is much, much better at baseball I will concede.

I don't like McCann, I do like Pendleton, this story is pretty irresistible.
   19. Ron J2 Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4746929)
Incidentally sAM if Robert really ran a marathon in 3:06 (and I'm not disputing this) I'd back him against McCann at any distance from 400m up.
   20. bunyon Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4746936)
McCann's a catcher. I'd take Robert in anything over 10 feet (if, as you say, he ran the 3:06 which I have no reason not to believe (also, well done, Robert, that's a hell of a time)).
   21. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4746939)
I'd bet McCann -- or Cecil Fielder back in the day -- could go home to first faster than almost everyone here.

These players are "slow" compared to others of the best baseball players in the world. They're not slow compared to the general population.

(The one exception class is pitchers, who generally look goofy and slow running the bases and so wouldn't fare as well.)
   22. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4746941)
Incidentally sAM if Robert really ran a marathon in 3:06 (and I'm not disputing this) I'd back him against McCann at any distance from 400m up.


Distance running is a niche training set, yes.

I'd bet McCann -- or Cecil Fielder -- could go home to first faster than almost everyone here.


Almost certainly. I will concede that my assumption that Robert was just doing his standard Braves-hating here seems off base, but stand by my criticism of his need to call McCann (whom he hates irrationally regardless of uniform) "fat" is stupidity of the highest order.
   23. bunyon Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4746946)
I'd bet McCann -- or Cecil Fielder -- could go home to first faster than almost everyone here.

I'd certainly make that bet, too. As long as you include the word "almost". Because then that lets in the few guys who are good runners. There are plenty of people who are quite fast and have endurance and have no other athletic skill. I've met many of them. They tend to become distance runners and run 3 hour marathons. So, my guess is Robert could probably beat McCann to first. Maybe not McCann when he was 20 but McCann today, yes. I wouldn't bet the house on it or anything, but I'd put something on it.

Most of us here? Hell, we might not make it to first.
   24. Barnaby Jones Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4746963)
McCann isn't fat. He is shaped exactly in the Platonic form of the catcher.
   25. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:36 PM (#4746964)
There are plenty of people who are quite fast and have endurance and have no other athletic skill. I've met many of them. They tend to become distance runners and run 3 hour marathons.


Like, Robert, my quest is to make it to sub-3. I'm in way better shape than I was last year, and I dropped a 1:26 on a half in May, and now with actual training starting, I'm going to get my sub-3.

I also have no other athletic skill (unless you count weight lifting, but I am not a power lifter).
   26. Dale Sams Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4746976)
I'd bet McCann -- or Cecil Fielder back in the day -- could go home to first faster than almost everyone here.


I'm 50 and I'll take that bet. Of course my latest competition was my wife and 9 year old.

Seriously, I haven't seen McCann run. Is he notoriously slow? I know I could take Cecil and most Molina's.
   27. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4746980)
Like, Robert, my quest is to make it to sub-3. I'm in way better shape than I was last year, and I dropped a 1:26 on a half in May, and now with actual training starting, I'm going to get my sub-3.

I hope you do. I can't seem to do it. I've been trying to run a 2:59 marathon for 20 years. I've picked up some time in the last five years or so after dropping other sports. I went into this year's event in the best possible running shape, ran my best race, and still hit 3:06. Actually slower than the 3:03 I put up three or four years ago. I'm 39, it's probably not going to get better from here. I actually cried on the way home for this year's marathon. How embarrassing is that? Even factoring in how messed up you are physically after a marathon, you don't expect crying (although with no real tears due to dehydration).

I just don't have a runners build, too tall, shoulders too broad. I can't seem to make it happen. My brother-in-law is six or seven years older but runs a 2:50 something every damn year. But he's short and narrow, I can't compete with that.

   28. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4746999)
I hope you do. I can't seem to do it. I've been trying to run a 2:59 marathon for 20 years. I've picked up some time in the last five years or so after dropping other sports. I went into this year's event in the best possible running shape, ran my best race, and still hit 3:06. Actually slower than the 3:03 I put up three or four years ago. I'm 39, it's probably not going to get better from here. I actually cried on the way home for this year's marathon. How embarrassing is that?


If it makes you feel better, I'm actively hoping you hit a 3:01 clock time next year.
   29. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4747002)
Seriously, I haven't seen McCann run. Is he notoriously slow?


In his prime he was catcher slow, but not Molina slow.
   30. zonk Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4747007)
I'd bet McCann -- or Cecil Fielder back in the day -- could go home to first faster than almost everyone here.



I'm 50 and I'll take that bet. Of course my latest competition was my wife and 9 year old.

Seriously, I haven't seen McCann run. Is he notoriously slow? I know I could take Cecil and most Molina's.


I think I'd take that bet, too --

I'm not particularly fast and while I'm in much better shape than I was 2-3 years ago, I'm no physical specimen... but if we're limiting the competition to catchers, bulky 1B and maybe immobile corner OFs -- I'm willing to bet most primates in any sort of decent shape could acquit themselves quite well in the less mobile class (1B/C, maybe a few corner OFs and 3B) of players.

You don't need to be particularly fast to be a very good baseball player. Beyond the players for whom speed is an actual component of their skillset, I don't see any reason to think the players that aren't particularly known for their speed would be any better in a footrace than a random sampling of relatively active regular folks in the same age range.

Positions that require more range -- particularly CFs/plus OFs generally, MIs -- sure, I would think they're measurably faster than the general population... but a catcher or 1B? I'm sure there are exceptions, but I would bet that most of them would be indistinguishable in a footrace with anyone that keeps themselves in moderately decent shape/exercises somewhat regularly. A younger player like Anthony Rizzo, for example - I think he'd probably beat me... but I bet I could outrun say, Ryan Howard, in a 90 foot race.

EDIT: Just to be clear - any sort of broad spectrum athletic event, I'm sure Howard crushes me... I'm just saying that we're around the same age - but I'm carrying a good 50 pounds less, have never had any knee problems, etc.
   31. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4747010)
Last time I checked I went first to third in softball in about the time it took Dieon Sanders to go first to home on the 90ft paths.
   32. zonk Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4747015)
Last time I checked I went first to third in softball in about the time it took Dieon Sanders to go first to home on the 90ft paths.


Yeah, but Sanders probably makes 95% of MLB players look equally slow...

   33. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4747032)
I'm 39, it's probably not going to get better from here.


I was under the impression that long-distance runners peak in their 40s. Is that something I dreamed?
   34. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4747051)
Meb is 39!

I don't think I'll cry if I don't get sub-3 (so long as I go sub-3:05), but I will be pretty devastated.
   35. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4747053)
I just don't have a runners build, too tall, shoulders too broad. I can't seem to make it happen. My brother-in-law is six or seven years older but runs a 2:50 something every damn year. But he's short and narrow, I can't compete with that.


I am indeed short and narrow. Fairly muscular, which might slow me down a tad but helps me avoid injury.
   36. JE (Jason) Posted: July 09, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4747084)
I bet I could outrun say, Ryan Howard, in a 90 foot race.

To be clear, we're talking about 2014 Ryan Howard, not 2011 NLDS Ryan Howard?
   37. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 09, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4747157)
Actually slower than the 3:03 I put up three or four years ago. I'm 39, it's probably not going to get better from here. I actually cried on the way home for this year's marathon. How embarrassing is that?
First off, I'll second, third, or fourth the kudos on a very impressive time. (My best in two tries was 5:20.)

Second, curious if you ever tried the Galloway run/walk method?
   38. Eric L Posted: July 09, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4747189)
I ran a 2:38 in 1987. Today, I walk with some difficulty due to arthritis(Not necessarily connected.). From my current perspective, the ability to participate at any level is the single greatest joy involved with marathoning. Savor every moment and never be more than a little disappointed.
   39. bunyon Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:02 AM (#4747718)
3:00 is simply a pretty round number. The difference between a 3:01 and 2:59 is not much, any given day, etc. etc.

The thing I've noticed watching my wife's running is that marathoning is tough (mentally) because you get so few shots. At her peak, she was doing 3 a year. One bad race and you have months to dwell on the outing. That seems really tough. That, and the distance runner's penchant for thinking their time is terrible and disappointing while praising, sincerely, other runners who did worse.

The running community seems really cool in how supportive they are of other runners. They also seem driven by personal demons of one sort or the other. Weird group. Cool, but weird.

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