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Saturday, February 15, 2014

McCoy: No facial hair in Cincinnati?

Tell that to Deacon White…okay, maybe not.

Manager Bryan Price made his first statement toward creating his own culture with the Cincinnati Reds, although he won’t be autocratic about it.

The Reds will not be the hirsute Boston Red Sox, they will not look like scraggly mountain men. Price is asking, not demanding, that most of the facial hair that sprouted mostly on the bullpen members last year be trimmed neatly.

He doesn’t want them retreating to the days of Bob Howsam and The Big Red Machine—no facial hair at all, no beards, no mustaches—but he doesn’t want them looking like a guy who spent five years in the outback with no razor.

“We’re going to spend some time with our core group of more established players and talk about what we feel is important, not just from my perspective, but a team and organizational perspective,” said Price, who wears neither a beard nor a mustache.

“You can, but I don’t think you’ll be terribly successful, if you try to turn back the clock in the clubhouse too far, but I believe in our initial policy that facial hair is fine, but keep it under control,” Price added. “We’re just maintaining a policy that was already there.”

Price pointed out that the team has had players with long hair—Bronson Arroyo with his long straight blond hair and Johnny Cueto with his dreadlocks. “That wasn’t a problem but we had some beards getting out of control. So let’s pull in the reins on that. And Corky Miller is going to be just fine,” Price said with a laugh, referring to the popular catcher with enough hair to hide his face entirely.

Repoz Posted: February 15, 2014 at 03:24 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 15, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4657438)
I thought the Reds already had a policy like this. Did they used to have one or am I just making #### up?
   2. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 15, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4657442)
I thought the Reds already had a policy like this. Did they used to have one or am I just making #### up?


They had one a long time ago, in the Bob Howsam era, though it lasted awhile. Marge Schott eventually rescinded it. And this isn't really a facial hair ban, but a "let's not look like those idiots in Boston" rule.

   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 15, 2014 at 07:11 PM (#4657456)
They had one a long time ago, in the Bob Howsam era, though it lasted awhile. Marge Schott eventually rescinded it. And this isn't really a facial hair ban, but a "let's not look like those idiots in Boston" rule.


Thanks, I thought I might be cracking up.

And "idiots" is so 2004.
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 15, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4657458)
And "idiots" is so 2004.


Those guys were idiots in quotes. The 2013 version just looked that way.
   5. TerpNats Posted: February 15, 2014 at 08:20 PM (#4657469)
Sorry, Cincy, you can forget about Jayson Werth ever joining the Reds.
   6. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: February 15, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4657472)
The Reds will not be the hirsute Boston Red Sox, they will not look like scraggly mountain men. Price is asking, not demanding, that most of the facial hair that sprouted mostly on the bullpen members last year be trimmed neatly.

Look, either have a policy on facial hair or don't have one. Otherwise, STFU.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 15, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4657473)
Look, either have a policy on facial hair or don't have one. Otherwise, STFU.


Really? I can imagine are a significant number of employers that don't specifically ban facial hair but would also not allow their employees to come to work looking like the 2013 Red Sox. Would yours?

   8. ptodd Posted: February 15, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4657478)
I hate beards. Watching the Red Sox last year hurt my appetite, I kept imaging all the crumbs caught up in those beards.
   9. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: February 15, 2014 at 10:01 PM (#4657481)
Look, either have a policy on facial hair or don't have one. Otherwise, STFU.

These are ballplayers, SoSH, not PR execs. Let Price worry about what matters.
   10. Bruce Markusen Posted: February 15, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4657488)
It matters to Price, just like it mattered to John Wooden that his players wear a suit and tie while traveling and representing UCLA.

I think Price is being very reasonable here.

And, yes, forgive me for thinking that the manager is still the boss.
   11. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: February 15, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4657495)
I think it's extremely silly to have a facial hair policy.
   12. Publius Publicola Posted: February 15, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4657500)
Those guys were idiots in quotes. The 2013 version just looked that way.


The idiots thing seems to be working for them though. I'd keep it until proven otherwise.
   13. Red Menace Posted: February 15, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4657505)
The Reds had the no-facial hair policy until the 98-99 offseason when the signing of Greg Vaughn led to repeal. In his later years Barry Larkin sported a '90's IT guy goatee.
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:31 AM (#4657512)
These are ballplayers, SoSH, not PR execs. Let Price worry about what matters.


Then why support any kind of facial hair policy at all? I can understand Biff's position. What I don't understand is the idea you posted. That it's OK to have an absolute ban on facial hair but you can't have one that allows for a beard or mustache but prohibits the Cousin It look. That makes no sense, and what prompted my question about how your employer operates.

The idiots thing seems to be working for them though. I'd keep it until proven otherwise.


From what I understand, they're not. I doubt it had much to do with their success.
   15. Knock on any Iorg Posted: February 16, 2014 at 02:42 AM (#4657531)
Perhaps Price would like his players to join a particular church while he's at it? Are there any other personal decisions he can make for his players, too? Like what color underwear or maybe a prohibition on going commando?
   16. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: February 16, 2014 at 06:25 AM (#4657545)
Yes indeed, the boss can make some modest demands on personal appearances. Welcome to the world.
   17. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 07:20 AM (#4657547)
Then why support any kind of facial hair policy at all?

Oh, I don't disagree, but at least it's a bright-line rule. Deciding what constitutes a ballplayer's good facial hair from bad should be the last thing on a skipper's mind.
   18. Lassus Posted: February 16, 2014 at 09:24 AM (#4657556)
What about this kind of immaculate grooming? (No, it's not Albright, give a look). I can just see a player having to go before the manager to talk about this beard.
   19. TDF, situational idiot Posted: February 16, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4657569)
What about this kind of immaculate grooming?
Considering Price said this was OK, I imagine he'd think it's fine.

On the other hand, I think this is specifically what he's talking about as not OK. To me, it sounds like facial hair is OK as long as it's well groomed.
   20. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4657575)
And, yes, forgive me for thinking that the manager is still the boss.


I forgive you, but nowadays that's really only true for the players who make less than ten times the manager's salary. The multimillionaires just kind of tolerate him in exchange for him taking most of the burden of dealing with the reporters.

I'm actually unclear on whether a manager (or GM or owner) technically (legally) can enforce a personal-life provision like this if it isn't in players' contracts. Anybody know?
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4657585)
Yes indeed, the boss can make some modest demands on personal appearances. Welcome to the world.


Of course, in "the world", an employee who doesn't like his boss's rules can quit and go work for a competitor in the same industry.
   22. McCoy Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM (#4657593)
There are plenty of jobs in baseball they could hold if they don't like the policy. Also it is a shame that baseball players don't have a union that can negotiate basic rights and duties. One day, one day.
   23. TDF, situational idiot Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4657594)
Yes indeed, the boss can make some modest demands on personal appearances. Welcome to the world.

Of course, in "the world", an employee who doesn't like his boss's rules can quit and go work for a competitor in the same industry.
Of course, in "the world", the minimum salary isn't almost $500,00/yr and isn't guaranteed.
   24. Greg K Posted: February 16, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4657596)
On the other hand, I think this is specifically what he's talking about as not OK. To me, it sounds like facial hair is OK as long as it's well groomed.

Oddly enough I really used to hate Johan Santana's meticulously trimmed beard. Or the perfect, straight as a ruler chin-strap type deal. Give me unruly everytime! Though this may stem from the fact that I've had a full beard since about grade 8, and it's far too much work to manage it in any reasonable way.
   25. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4657604)
Though this may stem from the fact that I've had a full beard since about grade 8, and it's far too much work to manage it in any reasonable way.


Only because you can't afford to pay somebody else to trim your beard for you every day while beautiful women rub your shoulders and fan you.
   26. BDC Posted: February 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4657614)
I think it's unfair the way they make the Cincinnati players wear red. What if red's a bad color for you? You should be able to wear blue, or maybe earth tones.

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