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Thursday, January 24, 2013

McGrath: Ibañez’s leadership worth more than bat to Mariners

I believe The Veteran Gravitas were supposed to be on Sub Pop 200 but got squeezed out by some choice Cat Butt.

The Mariners are paying Ibañez $2.75 million this season to do more than tell stories. He’s expected to contribute as a designated hitter, backup first baseman and left-handed batter in a pinch. But, yes, Ibañez’s most substantial gift could be the gab he brings to a clubhouse craving for older players able and willing to share insights with those still learning the nuances of a frustrating game.

“It’s a ‘been there, done that’ thing,” general manager Jack Zduriencik said Wednesday during the team’s annual pre-spring training media luncheon at Safeco Field.

Asked if the 2012 Mariners suffered from an absence of veteran gravitas, Zduriencik was blunt.

“I don’t think there’s a doubt,” he said.

...“You’ve got a young kid sitting in the on-deck circle,” Zduriencik said, “and someone like Raul Ibañez gets up and puts his arm around the kid and says, ‘I’ve been in this situation before.’ That’s a whole lot different than coming from the hitting coach, or the manager.”

...“You can make an argument,” Wedge continued, “that Raul Ibañez is as good as anybody in the game in regard to performing and playing. That’s why you sign him, to be a baseball player. But beyond that, there are the intangibles he brings as a guy who has been part of championship clubs and really done everything in the game.”

Repoz Posted: January 24, 2013 at 06:15 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: mariners, phenomenal veteran presence

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   1. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: January 24, 2013 at 06:43 AM (#4353860)
[S]omeone like Raul Ibañez gets up and puts his arm around the kid and says,

"Do you like gladiator movies?"
   2. bjhanke Posted: January 24, 2013 at 08:15 AM (#4353872)
If the headline here is true, then they should hire him as a manager or coach, rather than as a player. - Brock Hanke
   3. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 24, 2013 at 09:46 AM (#4353905)
Or save him for the Mariners' many postseason ninth inning situations.
   4. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM (#4353913)
This team is such a clownshoes operation. If Raul Ibanez is your answer, I'm not sure what the question is, but I don't think it has anything to do with baseball.
   5. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4353921)
But Brock: you can make an argument that Raul Ibañez is as good as anybody in the game in regard to performing and playing. That’s why you sign him, to be a baseball player.
   6. bunyon Posted: January 24, 2013 at 10:31 AM (#4353923)
I took the headline as a slam on his hitting.
   7. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4353924)
Are they really expecting 41-year old Raul Ibanez, player of two--two!--innings at first base since 2006 to see meaninful time there?

Well, ok, then.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4353933)
“You can make an argument,” Wedge continued, “that Raul Ibañez is as good as anybody in the game in regard to performing and playing.


... now that Carmen Fanzone has retired."
   9. bjhanke Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4354062)
Der K - I will concede that Ibanez can play any time. I was just pointing out the silliness of the headline, to claim that a player has the credentials of a coach more than he has as a player. If that's true, then you should use him in the job he's most suited to. - Brock
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4354069)
Asked if the 2012 Mariners suffered from an absence of veteran gravitas, Zduriencik was blunt.

“I don’t think there’s a doubt,” he said.


Yea, between 38 year old Ichiro Suzuki, 33 year old Miguel Olivo, 34 year old Chone Figgins, 37 year old Kevin Millwoood and 30 year old Brendan Ryan, the Mariners were practically infants.
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4354072)
If Raul Ibanez is your answer, I'm not sure what the question is

"Who is the 6th best option for veteran presence on the market?"
   12. DA Baracus Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:13 PM (#4354078)
"You can make an argument"


Is usually the start of a really bad argument.
   13. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4354085)
If the headline here is true, then they should hire him as a manager or coach, rather than as a player. - Brock Hanke


But if they did that then when he puts his arm around the kid in the on-deck circle it will be coming from a coach, the very thing they feel is so important to avoid!

The Astros are starting from absolutely nothing but I'm not sure it's going to take them all that long to start finishing ahead of the Mariners in that division.
   14. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4354086)
“You’ve got a young kid sitting in the on-deck circle
This has never actually happened, has it?
   15. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4354107)
Brock, I was just quoting the excerpt, which - taken at face value - is one of the more ridiculous things I've seen in some time.
   16. TomH Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4354112)
MY leadership would be worth far more then MY bat to the Mariners. I would lose far fewer games by decision making and encouraging than by trying to hit a baseball.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:54 PM (#4354122)
I took the headline as a slam on his hitting.


Yeah, it seems like a headline that's true, but not for the reason the writer thinks that it is.
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4354123)
This has never actually happened, has it?


Maybe this kid?
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4354132)
Maybe this kid?

Anthony Molina?

Too soon?
   20. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:08 PM (#4354137)
“and someone like Raul Ibañez gets up and puts his arm around the kid and says, ‘I’ve been in this situation before.’


And then Ibanez says, "Kid, I've hit more home runs than anyone ever whose last name starts with the same letter as mine." Can you imagine how inspiring that must be? No hitting coach is going to be telling a kid that, not even the Dodgers hitting coach.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4354140)
I took the headline as a slam on his hitting.


In related news, Brendan Ryan's leadership is worth more than his bat, Jason Bay's leadership is worth more than his bat, Justin Smoak's leadership is worth more than his bat, Mike Carp's leadership is worth more than his bat, Trayvon Robinson's leadership is worth more than his bat, Robert Andino's leadership is worth more than his bat...
   22. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4354147)
“You can make an argument,” Wedge continued, “that Raul Ibañez is as good as anybody in the game in regard to performing and playing.


"You can also make the argument that Raul Ibañez is 10 feet tall & runs the 100-yard dash in 5 seconds. That's bull****, too."

   23. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 24, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4354150)
Trayvon Robinson's leadership is worth more than his bat, Robert Andino's leadership is worth more than his bat...


They were traded for each other.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4354229)
They were traded for each other.


Was their leadership included in the deal?
   25. JJ1986 Posted: January 24, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4354237)
“You can make an argument,” Wedge continued, “that Raul Ibañez is as good as anybody in the game in regard to performing and playing.


Maybe "the game" is a Tom Morello look-a-like contest.
   26. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4354260)
You’ve got a young kid sitting in the on-deck circle,” Zduriencik said, “and someone like Raul Ibañez gets up and puts his arm around the kid and says, ‘I’ve been in this situation before.’ That’s a whole lot different than coming from the hitting coach, or the manager


Or, "do you know if the Mariners have an HR department"? or, "Young Kid, have you ever been in a Turkish prison"?
   27. vivaelpujols Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4354325)
Well it certainly couldn't be worth less than his bat.

My friend seems pretty sure that Ibanez is gay. Think there is any truth to this?
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4354337)
"Young Kid, have you ever been in a Turkish prison"?


"Do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral, and the eating of snails to be immoral?"
   29. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 24, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4354341)
My friend seems pretty sure that Ibanez is gay. Think there is any truth to this?

Sure looks like it.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4354352)

My friend seems pretty sure that Ibanez is gay. Think there is any truth to this?


Not that it necessarily precludes this rumor, but he is married to a woman.
   31. bookbook Posted: January 24, 2013 at 07:56 PM (#4354476)
Aren't we almost to he point where no one cares?
   32. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: January 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM (#4354628)
In other news, despite the headline, Ibanez does NOT spell his name with a tilde over the n. So there.

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