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1. Bob Tufts Posted: October 01, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3946949)Move the Moody Blues from the R&R Hall of Merit to the Hall of Fame!
Good to know that its veracity is up there with the various sporting HoFs.
Before Wheeler, none of the Mets' prospects in the leagues they had ranked thus far (the GCL, the Appy, and the NY-P Leagues) had done very well at all. Pitcher Rafael Montero barely made the list at # 20 in the GCL, and SS Danny Muno checked in at # 18 in the NY-P (even though they say he doesn't project as a major league SS, but more as a 2B). That was it. Still to come are the FSL, Eastern League, and International League, where some of our other prospects will, I'm sure, show up.
That said, I thought it was a good move for them at the time, given their needs and their position, so I won't criticize it now. But it didn't work out, that seems clear.
Darryl Strawberry says 'hi'.
I also could mention a certain pitcher, but I don't want to upset Sam.
Leave aside the results as a team- if you trade for a rental, and that rental gives you 179 PA at a 156 OPS+, the trade worked out as well as it possibly could have. Put another way- if other transactions had worked out nearly as well for San Francisco, they'd have been playoff-bound.
Point taken as to how Beltran performed. They got what they bargained for in that sense. But in another sense, the whole point of the trade was to aim for the post-season, and have an offense that would be ready to compete there. So their performance between the time they acquired him, and the end of the year, made it a wasted effort. It should go without saying that this was not Beltran's fault, but the bottom line is that they squandered the asset (Wheeler) to prepare for a post-season run that never materialized.
To repeat: this is NOT a criticism of Sabean, at least not as I intend it. It was his job, given where the Giants were at the time, to maximize their chances to do as well as they possibly could, and Wheeler was a chit worth cashing in to achieve that goal. That it didn't work out is just an observation to make. And that Wheeler seems (thus far) to be doing all the Mets could have hoped on our end of it is a good thing for Mets' fans to cheer about.
In my business, we call these "teachable moments." We do this in the hope that our students will learn from them and not repeat mistakes made in the past (or present) by themselves or others.
I have been doing this long enough to realize teachable moments usually lead to anguish, and then to heavy consumption of fermented beverages, and then to painful hangovers. You would think this cycle itself might be a teachable moment, too. We call this irony.
I could not agree more. But Blondie, Metallica, and ABBA are in? ABBA? That's worse than Jim Rice, amirite?
The Brewers do and SS is without question their biggest hole in the system. They also have a new TV deal starting in a year or two that could almost pay for Reyes by itself.
That being said, I don't expect the Brewers would go that high. But if Reyes were available, I could see the Brewers going for 4-5 years at $15M-$17M per.
Wouldn't more than half the league be in on Reyes if that's his price?
Blondie is pretty great. I'll take them over Moody Blues or Rush.
If the price on Reyes is 5/$85M, and the Mets lose him, they will be utterly crucified in the press, and deservedly so. Nobody in the NY press will believe for a nanosecond that they lost him for any reason other than the fact that the Wilpons are broke.
I like Blondie well enough, but not in a million years would I take them over either the Moody Blues or Rush.
I do think Beltran would be a great fit for Boston in the DH role.
Because he is a one-dimensional slugger, gives them virtually no roster flexibility (he's played a total of 12 games at any position in the field the last 3 years, all of them at 1B), and may want too much money (he's made an average of $13M a year each of the last 5 years). I bet they can get Beltran for significantly less than that.
The Cubs seem like a good fit to me. They have lots of extra cash (especially if they don't land one of Pujols/Fielder), outfield needs, and a real need for the positive PR that comes with a veteran name signing.
Sure, there's some escalating salaries as well, but there should still be enough room for one big splash. Although they may prefer to go after SP. They may end up with nothing, but I expect them to at least make a play for either Reyes, or CJ Wilson.
*numbers are from memory, may be slightly off
Reyes
Ellsbury
Pedroia
Gonzalez
Ortiz
Youkilis/Lowrie (?)
Crawford
Reddick
Salty/Lavarnway
starting pitching
Beckett
Lester
Buchholz
Lackey
Aceves (?)
LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU LA LA LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING TO YOU He's coming back to the Mets and somehow the Wilpons are going to be gone and I'm going to wake up and this will have all been a terrible nightmare and it's going to be mid-September 2007 and our lead is safe and we're going to clinch the division and LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU EVEN A LITTLE BIT.
Sigh.
They'll still have to sign a solid back-end of the rotation guy. And maybe a reclamation project, and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle like the Yanks did with Colon/Garcia.
No idea if Bedard would re-sign with Boston, they could do a lot worse than him. Otherwise, somebody like Aaron Harang. Edwin Jackson would ne nice, but if they sign Reyes, I'm not sure the money is going to be there.
Don't know what the word on Dice-K is, last I heard was potentially back for mid-season, but anybody's guess how good he'll be. If you pro-rate the posting dee that's 20m alone coming off next year. So maybe the Sox can get creative, and short the first year of a contract, and load up the others...
Fine. Then I will let The Boss speak for me:
None of this has happened. The Mets didn't piss away their post-season hopes in 2007 and 2008. The Wilpons weren't involved in a massive Ponzi scheme, they didn't leverage every Mets-related asset they have to the hilt, and they aren't running from the law. They didn't piss away the Wright-Reyes-Beltran-Santana core like this.
Except they did all those things. But at least, if I'm living in that future, at least losing Jose Reyes hasn't happened yet. Keep your grubby Red Sox paws off him.
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