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Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Melky Cabrera suspended 50 games

The PED Melk-Man will have more time to work on his #######’ Camaro.

San Francisco Giants outfielder Melky Cabrera has been suspended 50 games after violating Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

Cabrera, the MVP of the 2012 All-Star Game, tested positive for testosterone. His suspension is effective immediately.

Cabrera has the second-best batting average in the National League at .346, behind Andrew McCutchen’s .359. The Giants (64-53) are tied for the NL West lead with the Dodgers.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:02 PM | 108 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4208932)
I guess they DO work.
   2. Dan Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4208937)
Didn't Andrew Baggarly report this weeks ago and then recant it later?
   3. SteveF Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4208940)
So I guess he won't be making the Hall of Fame, now?
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4208942)
By my count, the Giants have 45 regular-season games left. If they make the playoffs, is Melky suspended for the first 5 playoff games or is he out through all the playoffs until the Giants play 5 more regular-season games?
   5. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4208943)
Ha! That's a biggie. And what #1 said - here's some evidence that they work. Even just a little.

But, it might have been about him getting into better shape and then playing better.

Either way, WHOA.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4208945)
By my count, the Giants have 45 regular-season games left. If they make the playoffs, is Melky suspended for the first 5 playoff games or is he out through all the playoffs until the Giants play 5 more regular-season games?


From story:

The Giants have 45 games remaining this season. Cabrera's suspension will carry over into the playoffs if the Giants advance to the postseason. If not, Cabrera will be suspended for the first five games of the 2013 season.
   7. Dan Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4208950)
Krukow looks like someone ran over his dog (on the lead-in to today's game broadcast, 3:45 ET start)
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4208954)
Thanks, SoSH!
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4208959)

Ha! That's a biggie. And what #1 said - here's some evidence that they work. Even just a little.


Well it was testosterone. And Melky actually needed to get smaller, not bigger. So I guess they could have worked, but I'm not exactly seeing how. More energy for the stairmaster?
   10. ColonelTom Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4208961)
Well, that will thin out the free-agent OF crop a bit.
   11. Loren F. Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4208965)
I am sorry for Giants fans. It's a big loss, but maybe Panda's return and Pence hitting better than a 46 OPS+ will soften the blow.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4208967)
Well, that will thin out the free-agent OF crop a bit.


Not much with Delmon Young still being in it.
   13. Repoz Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4208969)
Damn, and he was only 62 HR's behind Bonds.
   14. Mike A Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4208985)
My least favorite major leaguer gets busted. Yeah, you really showed us Brave fans, Melky.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4208987)
per No. 2

http://www.csnbayarea.com/baseball-san-francisco-giants/giants-talk/A-public-apology-to-Melky-Cabrera?blockID=747609

"We’re bound to seek the truth, to be as fair and accurate as possible and to serve the interests of readers.

I thought I was doing that Friday when I chose to ask Melky Cabrera about rumors that I had heard from several different readers who had contacted me via email and my Twitter account over the past few days. I had no idea where these rumors started, but the questions were starting to mushroom about whether Cabrera flunked a drug test and would face a 50-game suspension.

Let’s be clear: There is no evidence that there is any shred of truth to these rumors. Cabrera knew nothing about it....

In retrospect, I made the wrong decision to address these rumors on my Twitter account and disseminate it to my 30,000-plus followers.

So I feel it’s important that I issue a public apology to Melky Cabrera for giving greater voice to a rumor that, to the best of my knowledge and on his word, has absolutely no basis in fact."

...........

UPDATE:
2-part Baggarly tweet just now:

Andrew Baggarly ?@CSNBaggs

"I stand by the apology column I wrote last month. Didn't have story nailed down, shouldn't have put it out there. ... (cont.)

... Now, if Melky Cabrera wants to apologize to me for lying when I asked him about it, that's another matter."

   16. Dale Sams Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4208989)
I guess they DO work


That's what scares me. Maybe they do.

And Melky actually needed to get smaller, not bigger


That's not what your mo....uhm...Mrs. Cabrera said.
   17. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4208990)
Well, this sucks. This is probably the PED catch that actually saddens me. He didn't even try to deny it. Oh Leche.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4208991)
He's owning up to it:


“My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used,” Cabrera said in a statement (via the San Francisco Chronicle’s Hank Schulman). “I accept my suspension under the Joint Drug Program and will try to move on with my life. I am deeply sorry for my mistake and I apologize to my teammates, to the San Francisco Giants organization and to the fans for letting them down.”

   19. ASmitty Posted: August 15, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4208992)
So...does the NL have to give back home field advantage now?
   20. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4209007)
Must be pretty awkward to be dressed as a "Melk Man" today.
   21. Zach Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4209012)
Well it was testosterone. And Melky actually needed to get smaller, not bigger. So I guess they could have worked, but I'm not exactly seeing how. More energy for the stairmaster?

Extremely low body fat is one of the big signs of steroid abuse. That's why so many bodybuilders have crazy muscle definition and terrible, paper-like skin.
   22. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4209014)
Couldn't they have waited until the Nats left town?
   23. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4209018)
Must be pretty awkward to be dressed as a "Melk Man" today.


I was trying to formulate a joke about milk and giving cows growth hormones, but it always came out really clumsy.
   24. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4209022)
Melky sure dragged his heels on this one for awhile. Now he misses 45 regular season games and has to sit out at least the first round of the playoffs and could miss a couple of games in the LCS as well if they get that far. If he took illegal stuff and he knows he did take illegal stuff he should have just accepted the suspension way back when. At least that way he'd be back in time for the end of the regular season and for all of the playoffs.
   25. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4209028)
John Sterling says, "The Melkman de(gradeshis)liver!" And also still thinks he sees him in the Yankee outfield, catching a high, far 280-foot home run.
   26. Bourbon Samurai Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4209029)
So...does the NL have to give back home field advantage now?


Too late. It already counted.
   27. Bourbon Samurai Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4209032)
Couldn't they have waited until the Nats left town?



Ooh, Gregor Blanco in left.
   28. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4209037)
Melky sure dragged his heels on this one for awhile. Now he misses 45 regular season games and has to sit out at least the first round of the playoffs...


Average annual WAR for Melky Cabrera prior to 2011 (when he became "fit and useful Melky.") - 0.7
Total career WAR for Melky Cabrera prior to 2011: 4.0

Total WAR, season to date, 2012: 4.8

The Giants have already gotten more out of the Melky than he gave his entire career prior to hitting the sauce.
   29. hardrain Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4209038)
In addition to costing the Yanks home field advantage in the World Series this year, Melky finishes one (1) Plate appearance shy of qualifying for the batting crown.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4209042)

In addition to costing the Yanks home field advantage in the World Series this year, Melky finishes one (1) Plate appearance shy of qualifying for the batting crown.


No. See our conversation here.
   31. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4209049)
The Giants have already gotten more out of the Melky than he gave his entire career prior to hitting the sauce.

I'm talking about Melky not the Giants. The Giants can't do anything in this situation other than to suggest things to Melky. It seems like Melky got popped 2 to 3 weeks ago and instead of taking the hit he dragged his heals and appealed it. His apology today shows that the failed drug test was not a mistake and he knew he was taking banned drugs. Meanwhile between the time he got popped and the time he got suspended about 15 games or so have gone by. If he had just taken the ban he'd probably have about 10 games left in the season when he came back and all of the playoffs. For Melky, being a FA and all after the season, the drug suspension is going to hurt but getting back before the season is over and getting to play in the playoffs might just mitigate the damages to a degree.
   32. hardrain Posted: August 15, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4209056)
#30 -- thanks. I did not know about adding "hitless at bats." Sure seems shady to me though.
   33. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4209073)
When roids are outlawed, only outlaws will have roids.
   34. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4209075)
If he had just taken the ban he'd probably have about 10 games left in the season when he came back and all of the playoffs.

He was probably hoping for a miracle in the interim, or some extra evidence that he could attack Ryan Braun style.
   35. Dave Spiwak Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4209078)
He was probably hoping for a miracle in the interim, or some extra evidence that he could attack Ryan Braun style.

Seems like it. And the fact that he's already owned-up to it suggests the case against him must be iron-clad.
   36. Gamingboy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4209084)
Tainted Melk.
   37. andrewberg Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4209099)
Such a missed opportunity.

Headline should have read "Giants Leftfielder Fails PED Test."
   38. Dave Spiwak Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4209105)
If Melky wins the batting title this year with 501 PAs we're talking double asterisk!
   39. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4209110)
Alfonso Soriano is available.
   40. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:46 PM (#4209113)
As much as it pains me to say this:

Having passed through waivers, Alfonso Soriano is available.
   41. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4209118)
Cokes and all that. Dang it.
   42. bfan Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4209120)
Andrew Baggarly ?@CSNBaggs

"I stand by the apology column I wrote last month. Didn't have story nailed down, shouldn't have put it out there. ... (cont.)

... Now, if Melky Cabrera wants to apologize to me for lying when I asked him about it, that's another matter."


actually, very clever and pretty funny, too.
   43. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4209127)
"I stand by all my misstatements."
   44. Walt Davis Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4209141)
actually, very clever and pretty funny, too.

Meh. Baggarly's being a bit of an ass again in my opinion. Baggarly's a reporter, what does he expect? Melky had 3 options:

1. "No comment." Might as well say yes.
2. Say "yes, but I'm appealing it." Kinda makes confidentiality and the appeals process pointless.
3. "No."

McCoy's got a reasonable point -- although Melky's "substance I should not have used" is massively broad.

I am concerned if this keeps getting leaked especially to the point fans on twitter find out about it before it's official.

   45. Dale Sams Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4209142)
Alfonso Soriano is available.


As is Carl Crawford. We'll even trade him for Melky.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:15 PM (#4209150)
So, what does testosterone do for you on the ball field?
   47. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4209159)
Well shucks, Soriano is still not willing to head out west.
   48. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:27 PM (#4209161)
So, what does testosterone do for you on the ball field?


It shrinks them, I believe.
   49. rfloh Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4209180)
"Extremely low body fat is one of the big signs of steroid abuse. That's why so many bodybuilders have crazy muscle definition and terrible, paper-like skin. "

No it isn't. The (extremely) low bodyfat, the paper-like skin comes from dieting. You don't need AAS for that thin skin and definition. What the AAS does, is help to maintain the muscle mass (it is speculated that one way that AAS "works", is that it alters so called "nutrient partitioning", more of the food you eat is stored as muscle, used to maintain muscle, it increases protein sysnthesis). Hence pro bodybuilders on AAS will have the paper like skin, the definition, AND at the same time, still have huge (and round) muscles. That paper like skin you see on pro bodybuilders, is only prevalent around contest / photo shoot time, when they are severely dieted down, and severely dehydrated.

Or put another way, some powerlifters also use AAS. They definitely do not have the paper thin skin, and the muscle definition of pro bodybuilders. Because they're not dieting, and certainly are not restricting water consumption.
   50. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 15, 2012 at 07:13 PM (#4209200)
Still cheating out there in the "Labratory". Some things never change. Too bad there's no injections, creams, or clears to cure stupid.
   51. madvillain Posted: August 15, 2012 at 07:15 PM (#4209202)
Victor Conte had some interesting thing to say about his test, including that only the "dumb" get caught and that 50% of big leaguers are on testosterone. He claims the fast acting creams, rubs, shots etc are in and out within 24 hours.
   52. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 15, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4209204)
Well it was testosterone. And Melky actually needed to get smaller, not bigger. So I guess they could have worked, but I'm not exactly seeing how. More energy for the stairmaster?
I'm guessing there was a lot of work there, but he also started juicing -- all for the same reason, to cash in as a free agent.
   53. shoewizard Posted: August 15, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4209212)
Is this the first time a guy that got popped admitted it without excuses ? Sure he appealed...but at least there is no B.S. story about getting over injury, my aunt put something in my cheerios...etc etc.
   54. Soul Man Posted: August 15, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4209219)
Is this the first time a guy that got popped admitted it without excuses ? Sure he appealed...but at least there is no B.S. story about getting over injury, my aunt put something in my cheerios...etc etc.


Matt Lawton
   55.     Hey Gurl Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4209230)
Is this the first time a guy that got popped admitted it without excuses ? Sure he appealed...but at least there is no B.S. story about getting over injury, my aunt put something in my cheerios...etc etc.


Why are all excuses deemed BS? Have we reached the stage of testing where false positives don't happen?
   56. MM1f Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4209232)
He didn't say all excuses are BS. But, undoubtedly, many or most of them are.
   57. rlc Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4209242)
Some Giants fans may get upset about Cabrera taking drugs, but really there's no use crying over pilled Melk.
   58. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4209245)
Well shucks, Soriano is still not willing to head out west.


Melky's suspension probably explains why the Giants were trying to trade for Alfonso before the deadline.
   59.     Hey Gurl Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4209249)
He didn't say all excuses are BS. But, undoubtedly, many or most of them are.


Give me one example where a player had an explanation and it wasn't shruggeddededed off as BS.
   60. Karl from NY Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4209250)
Average annual WAR for Melky Cabrera prior to 2011 (when he became "fit and useful Melky.") - 0.7
Total career WAR for Melky Cabrera prior to 2011: 4.0

Wait, what? How can your average be negative and your total be positive?
   61. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4209253)
Points for Melk for owning it even if he was very non-specific. He had a good ride while it lasted.
   62. Squash Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4209254)
On the flip side, Melky was probably due for some regression to the mean over the next couple of weeks - maybe this is good for the Giants after all.
   63. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4209255)
Average annual WAR for Melky Cabrera prior to 2011 (when he became "fit and useful Melky.") - 0.7
Total career WAR for Melky Cabrera prior to 2011: 4.0


Wait, what? How can your average be negative and your total be positive?


That's not a negative sign.
   64. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4209259)
Either use a dash in each line or a colon in each line. Don't mix and match.
   65. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4209263)
Give me one example where a player had an explanation and it wasn't shruggeddededed off as BS.


But again, that's not what shoe was saying. He simply asked if this was the first time anyone had gotten nailed and didn't offer an explanation/excuse. He didn't say each and every explanation/excuse was BS.
   66. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4209265)
Is shruggededededdeddded a joke I don't get or did Shock stutter?
   67.     Hey Gurl Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4209279)
But again, that's not what shoe was saying. He simply asked if this was the first time anyone had gotten nailed and didn't offer an explanation/excuse. He didn't say each and every explanation/excuse was BS.


You're right. I misread it.

Is shruggededededdeddded a joke I don't get or did Shock stutter?


Mini-stroke.
   68. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4209289)
Is shruggededededdeddded a joke I don't get or did Shock stutter?

Yesterday I was at a bar and a guy was talking to a crowd of people and he emitted dolphin sounds while trying to talk.
   69. Squash Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4209294)
Give me one example where a player had an explanation and it wasn't shruggeddededed off as BS.

They're shrugged off because the vast majority are BS, unless if you believe that multi-millionaire baseball players whose multi-millions depend on their ability to continue playing baseball and who are drug tested up the whazoo and know they are going to be pilloried personally up the same whazoo if they test positive do indeed just randomly take pills and supplements their friend or doctor or the guy in the gym gives them without bothering to check what's inside, which seems to be the most popular excuse by leaps and bounds. Or to take the lesser-used excuse of false positives that baseball specifically has a far greater incidence of false positives than other sports where false positives seem to be extremely rare, even though all the sports are pretty much taking the same tests for the same things (cycling a special case because of blood boosters, though it seems we have had exactly zero false positives in that sport, everyone who's tested positive has admitted it eventually, so that doesn't really help the argument). False positives in most systems are extremely rare, and significantly more so than the much more common false negative, for the simple truth that it's easier to miss something that is there rather than find something that isn't.

Either way any of those beliefs are entirely different unfounded beliefs than the unfounded belief of assuming that the great majority of these excuses are BS. But they're unfounded belief nonetheless, and in the end very likely far less accurate for all the obvious reasons.

Maybe steroids should be legal in baseball after all. But it seems to me the pro-steroids (not a perfect term) side often goes too far - not only should steroids be legal, but they don't actually help at all, and when somebody is caught we don't believe they did them anyway. The lady doth protest too much.
   70. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4209311)
I think most of the guys at the top do in fact cheat and cheat often thus false positives may happen a good deal of the time but since they are still cheating you can't tell the difference.
   71. tshipman Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4209394)
Well, this sucks.

Would the Cubs take Hunter Pence for Alfonso Soriano?
   72. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4209397)
Giants should just sign Barry Bonds for the remainder of the season just as an FU to Bud Selig.

And while he's 48 and hasn't played MLB since the Bush administration, all he has to do is be better than Aubrey Huff. Even money that Willie Mays could outplay Huff.
   73. Mefisto Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM (#4209400)
Even money that Mel Ott could outplay Huff.
   74. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4209404)
I'm with 72. Give Barry the bat.

   75. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:44 PM (#4209406)
He's owning up to it:

“My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used,” Cabrera said in a statement (via the San Francisco Chronicle’s Hank Schulman). “I accept my suspension under the Joint Drug Program and will try to move on with my life. I am deeply sorry for my mistake and I apologize to my teammates, to the San Francisco Giants organization and to the fans for letting them down.”


Well, this admission should open to the door to the Hall of Fame for him.
   76. Dan Posted: August 16, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4209434)
Kind of surprised that no one has made the link between Cabrera and his off-season workouts with ARod:

Rodriguez’s role in Cabrera’s turnaround was central. The two formed a bond during their years together with the Yankees from 2005 to 2009, and they remained close after the Yankees traded Cabrera to the Atlanta Braves — with Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino for pitchers Boone Logan and Javier Vazquez — after the 2009 championship season.

....


Knowing Cabrera was at a crossroads, his mother, his agent and Rodriguez all urged him to focus on his conditioning and his craft to save his once-promising career from dissipating into obscurity.
Rodriguez was particularly convincing, persuading Cabrera to leave his home in the Dominican Republic and move to Miami to work out with him.
“You don’t realize how hard that is to do for a kid like him from the Dominican,” Rodriguez said. “He has been with his mother his entire life. Leaving was not easy. But he was dedicated. Christmas Day, he went home to the Dominican, and on the 26th, he was back in Miami working out.”
Cabrera bought a home in Kendall, Fla., near Rodriguez’s childhood home. He found a trainer and spent hours at Rodriguez’s house in his batting cage, perfecting his swing from both sides of the plate.
   77. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 16, 2012 at 07:40 AM (#4209466)
Well, making that link sort of undermines the link people would rather make between slapping on a testosterone patch and immediately getting really good. Not to mention undermining the idea that passing drug tests for several years means anything. That article focuses on the 2010-11 off-season, but Cabrera's workouts with Rodriguez were previously credited for his bouncing back from that dismal 2008.
   78. Rants Mulliniks Posted: August 16, 2012 at 08:19 AM (#4209474)
I wish the sportscasters would stop saying that he "tested positive for testosterone". They're making it sound like testosterone is a foreign substance in the the human body.
   79. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: August 16, 2012 at 08:22 AM (#4209476)
Medically, there is little doubt that testosterone can give a man more energy, help increase muscle mass with exercise, and reduce body fat. As for whether that helps you play better baseball, I guess David Wells would tell you it doesn't (probably a bad data point as it is, since David was probably very strong and looked for all the world to be brimming with testosterone), but it stands to reason that it would. No, it won't help you with your batting eye.
   80. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: August 16, 2012 at 08:24 AM (#4209477)
I wish the sportscasters would stop saying that he "tested positive for testosterone". They're making it sound like testosterone is a foreign substance in the the human body.


Hard to nail down exactly what it is though - it could be synthetic testosterone, or it could be increased levels of his own testosterone brought about by injecting another substance (e.g., HCG).
   81. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 16, 2012 at 08:32 AM (#4209478)
He's owning up to it.

He is owning up to it, but the stuff these guys like to say about "making a mistake" is of course bullshite rationalization.

Missing your exit ramp on the highway is a mistake. Leaving the house with two different colored socks on is a mistake. Taking steroids and other illegal substances is something these guys are knowingly and intentionally doing in order to try to game the system and get an unfair advantage. They're not "making a mistake", they're proactively cheating, they know exactly what they're doing, and they know full well they shouldn't be doing it.
   82. Lassus Posted: August 16, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4209480)
WTF is so hard to understand someone saying that the decision was a mistake?

It doesn't even matter if he means because he got caught or because he feels he did something wrong in retrospect - the decision was STILL a mistake.
   83. Rants Mulliniks Posted: August 16, 2012 at 09:02 AM (#4209490)
Hard to nail down exactly what it is though - it could be synthetic testosterone, or it could be increased levels of his own testosterone brought about by injecting another substance (e.g., HCG).


Yes, but say he tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone.
   84. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 16, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4209494)
WTF is so hard to understand someone saying that the decision was a mistake?

I understand exactly why people say this. "I made a mistake" is the classic standard New Age way that people rationalize getting caught doing something they knew they shouldn't have been doing. It sounds good, and it's a hell of a lot easier to publicly say than things like "I don't give a f*ck about the rules, I'm a liar, I'm a cheater, I'll do anything I want in order to get ahead in life", that sort of thing.
   85. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 16, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4209496)
Leaving the house with two different colored socks on is a mistake


I go by thickness.
   86. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: August 16, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4209505)
Yes, but say he tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone.


Fair enough.
   87. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4209520)
I go by thickness.


That's what she said.
   88. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4209535)
WTF is so hard to understand someone saying that the decision was a mistake?

It doesn't even matter if he means because he got caught or because he feels he did something wrong in retrospect - the decision was STILL a mistake.


I can kind of see Joey's point (God help me), but I think the definition of "mistake" technically covers a decision that in hindsight one believes was wrong. So, Lassus wins.

It reminds me of this scene from The Last Boy Scout, with Bruce Willis playing the role of Joe and Bruce McGill as Mike:

[Joe has just found out that Mike was sleeping with his wife]

Mike Mathews: It just happened, Joe. It...

Joe Hallenbeck: Sure, sure, I know... it just happened. Coulda happened to anybody. It was an accident, right? You tripped, slipped on the floor and accidentally stuck your dick in my wife. "Whoops! I'm so sorry, Mrs. H., I guess this just isn't my week!"

   89. tjm1 Posted: August 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4209558)
No, it won't help you with your batting eye.


Well, there are some indications that anabolic steroids can improve vision a bit. Also, increased bat speed can allow a batter to wait a little longer before swinging, which can help him avoid being fooled on breaking pitches out of the strike zone.
   90. rfloh Posted: August 16, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4209590)
"Well, there are some indications that anabolic steroids can improve vision a bit. Also, increased bat speed can allow a batter to wait a little longer before swinging, which can help him avoid being fooled on breaking pitches out of the strike zone."

The increased bat speed won't just automagically come as a result of increased testosterone. Increased bat speed is very much a specific (type of) strength, and needs to be specifically trained for. The ability to develope the highest maximal force in the most beneficial condition and the ability to develope maximal force in a specific condition are different abilities. The lighter the external resistance (ie swinging a baseball bat) and the less the time you have, the greater the difference between the ability to develope the highest maximal force in the most beneficial condition and the ability to develope maximal force in that specific condition.
   91. chemdoc Posted: August 16, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4209593)
That Sanchez-for-Cabrera trade doesn't look quite as bad for KC as it did 2 days ago.
   92. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: August 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4209670)
Will there be a PED night at ATT now?
   93. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4209675)

That Sanchez-for-Cabrera trade doesn't look quite as bad for KC as it did 2 days ago.


Why? Sanchez was suspended over a months ago for shittiness.
   94. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4209677)
That Sanchez-for-Cabrera trade doesn't look quite as bad for KC as it did 2 days ago.


Huh? Why not? Sanchez = -1.2 WAR for the Royals, Cabrera = 4.7 WAR for the Giants. Obv WAR is not the end all but that is a huge gap. It's not like the Giants lose the wins Cabrera helped them with.

edit: half liter of cola to RoyalsRetro
   95. chemdoc Posted: August 16, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4209685)
But Cabrera also won't be racking up any more WAR this season and increasing the gap.
   96. flournoy Posted: August 16, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4209686)
Hey, the Royals were able to get Jeremy Guthrie for Sanchez, and Guthrie has been fine.
   97. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 16, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4209756)
But Cabrera also won't be racking up any more WAR this season and increasing the gap.


The gap is already quite large enough to call that a complete win for the Giants.
   98. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4209884)
all the giants fans who heckled braun including a serenade of profanities should have quite the time in coping with melky's issue
   99. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 16, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4209888)
all the giants fans who heckled braun including a serenade of profanities should have quite the time in coping with melky's issue


Yes, because drunk bleacher fans who heckle tend to be the introspective type.
   100. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 16, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4209895)
643

interestingly braun stated the worst razzing was san fran

for what it is worth
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