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Saturday, December 12, 2009

Mercury News: The Carl Steward HOF Ballot

Very early raw vote results (no pct. not enough full ballots) from my HOF tally.

10 - Alomar
9 - Blyleven
9 - McGwire
7 - Dawson
7 - Larkin
7 - E. Martinez
7 - J.Morris
4 - Raines
3 - L.Smith

—Baseball Hall of Fame ballot mailed: Votes here for Roberto Alomar, Jack Morris, Mark McGwire, Bert Blyleven, Tim Raines, Andre Dawson and Lee Smith. Prediction on who actually makes it: Alomar, Dawson.

—Tough omissions: Barry Larkin, who may get my vote someday but only when I decide it’s also time for Alan Trammell; and Dave Parker, whose all-around qualifications are too similar to Harold Baines, who isn’t a Hall of Famer. Edgar Martinez? Amazing hitter, but no.

 

 

Repoz Posted: December 12, 2009 at 05:27 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hall of fame, history

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   1. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 12, 2009 at 07:19 AM (#3410671)
Votes here for ... Jack Morris ... Tough omissions: Barry Larkin


Ooo, so close.
   2. Baldrick Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:01 AM (#3410680)
Yes on Lee Smith and no on Edgar?

Edit Yes, Larkin is obviously a worse omission. I just think it's weird to refuse the genuinely world-class hitter because he was a DH, but to let in the not particularly impressive closer. Jerome Holtzman strikes again.
   3. Zipperholes Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:21 AM (#3410682)
Tough omissions: Barry Larkin, who may get my vote someday but only when I decide it’s also time for Alan Trammell

Ah, another piece of #### voter on a power trip who uses his ballot to "make a statement" by delaying votes for certain players until he feels it's "time."
   4. Barnaby Jones Posted: December 12, 2009 at 09:44 AM (#3410683)
My first thought was "What three morons voted for Lonnie?"
   5. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: December 12, 2009 at 01:43 PM (#3410693)
My first thought was "What three morons voted for Lonnie?"


That one gets me every time.
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 12, 2009 at 02:10 PM (#3410695)
Yes on Lee Smith and no on Edgar?


I agree with that. However, leaving Larkin off and adding Morris makes it still a silly ballot. Not Olbermann bad, though.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 12, 2009 at 02:45 PM (#3410699)
Jack Morris is the white Jim Rice

(or the pitching Jim Rice)

(or Jim Rice without Teh Fear, but with Teh 10-Inning Clutchy Grit)
   8. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: December 12, 2009 at 03:11 PM (#3410703)
Jack Morris is the white Jim Rice

(or the pitching Jim Rice)


Rice vs. Morris career stats:

25 for 83 in 90 PA / .301 / .344 / .458 / .802 / 4 HR / 9 RBI / 1 SF / 11 K / 6 BB / 1 IBB

So....WHO FELT DA FEAR?
   9. OCF Posted: December 12, 2009 at 04:18 PM (#3410721)
Barry Larkin, who may get my vote someday but only when I decide it’s also time for Alan Trammell

Look: Trammell is on the ballot. You're allowed to vote for him, and you should. There's no rule that says you can't vote for both Trammell and Larkin. So clear a little space on your ballot and vote for both of them. Is that so difficult?
   10. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: December 12, 2009 at 04:25 PM (#3410727)
Look: Trammell is on the ballot. You're allowed to vote for him, and you should. There's no rule that says you can't vote for both Trammell and Larkin. So clear a little space on your ballot and vote for both of them. Is that so difficult


I got the sense that his feeling was Trammell wasn't worthy and therefore Larkin, in his mind similar to Trammell, cannot be Hall-worthy if Trammell isn't.
   11. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 12, 2009 at 05:16 PM (#3410743)
So clear a little space on your ballot and vote for both of them.


Actually, he left enough room to vote for both of them without having to drop anybody else (with a space left over).
   12. LargeBill Posted: December 12, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3410764)
Very early raw vote results (no pct. not enough full ballots) from my HOF tally.


Obviously we need a couple hundred more ballots to feel any level of confidence, but I'm liking the early Alomar & Blyleven love being shown. However, that is offset by disappointment over the poor early showing for Raines. I assume between this weekend and next we will see a flurry of HoF ballot articles.
   13. Steve Treder Posted: December 12, 2009 at 06:40 PM (#3410785)
WHO FELT DA FEAR?

That's interesting. I would have thought that Teh Fear and Teh Clutchy Grit would counteract each other so perfectly that Morris's pitch would stop just short of Rice's bat, while Rice's swing would stop just short of Morris's pitch, putting both of them in suspended animation forever.

This would be consistent with the numerous scientific studies on the related phenomena of cats always landing on their feet, and slices of buttered toast always landing buttered-side-down. Hundreds of laboratory trials dropping cats with slices of buttered toast strapped to their backs (buttered side up, of course) conclusively demonstrated that such a cat will never reach the ground, but instead just hover in mid-air forever.
   14. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: December 12, 2009 at 06:41 PM (#3410787)
but I'm liking the early Alomar & Blyleven love being shown


Alomar and Blyleven debuted 18 years apart. There has never been 2 players elected by the BBWAA in the same year with such a large spread before (in the modern era*). The current record being 16, shared by 1954 (Maranville '12 and Dickey '28) and 1972 (Wynn '39 and Koufax ('55).

* In 1939, the BBWAA elected both Keeler 1892 and Gehrig 1923. Under the modern system, Keeler would have been either elected or off the ballot long before 1939.

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