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Monday, June 18, 2018

MetBblog: Mets reportedly ready to entertain trade offers for ‘virtually everyone’

The Mets are “ready to entertain trade offers for virtually everyone” on the roster, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports.

According to Rosenthal, the Mets would prefer to hold on to Brandon Nimmo, Michael Conforto, Robert Gsellman, and Seth Lugo, and would be more open to trading Noah Syndergaard than Jacob deGrom.

Adam is gettin’ upset!

 

Adam Starblind Posted: June 18, 2018 at 12:58 PM | 48 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PreservedFish Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5694474)
GM: "My top prospect is on the table. Let's talk Lugo and Gsellman."
Mets: "Nope. Not listening."
GM: "Syndergaard?"
Mets: "Go on...."

   2. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5694481)
I stand by my mid-April declaration that this team will cruise to 140 victories.
   3. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5694483)
Let's see how the Mets can mess up their fire sale.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:39 PM (#5694511)
Hey, on the bright side, now might be the perfect time to get Scott Kazmir back.
   5. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5694523)
Hey, on the bright side, now might be the perfect time to get Scott Kazmir back.


That would be the Metsiest thing to do. Trade for ANOTHER starting pitcher when that is the only aspect of the team that is working. If they actually go through with this rebuild, it's going to be really bad.
   6. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5694544)
Hard to believe the Mets and Royals played in the World Series three years ago.
   7. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5694556)
Hard to believe the Mets and Royals played in the World Series three years ago.


The Mets pissed away their window by not spending an extra 20-30 million dollars a year in 2016/2017/2018. It's maddeningly insane.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5694573)
The Mets pissed away their window by not spending an extra 20-30 million dollars a year in 2016/2017/2018. It's maddeningly insane.

I don't see how spending an extra $20-30M was going to help last year when everyone got hurt. Likewise, one extra star wouldn't make this year's team a contender with Cespedes and Syndergaard hurt, and Conforto stinking up the joint.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5694579)
That would be the Metsiest thing to do. Trade for ANOTHER starting pitcher when that is the only aspect of the team that is working.
They wouldn't even have to trade for him - he was released by the Braves earlier this year. Opportunity!
   10. McCoy Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5694586)
Jason heyward is available.
   11. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5694590)
I don't see how spending an extra $20-30 was going to help last year when everyone got hurt. Likewise, one extra star wouldn't make this year's team a contender with Cespedes and Syndergaard hurt, and Conforto stinking up the joint.


In 2016 they made a 1 game playoff. Maybe they could have been better with some improvements and not spending money on stupid people like Alejandro de Aza, maybe not. Probably would have lost that game anyway. 2017 and 2018 you have a lot of people getting hurt for sure. Not spending money on Bruce and spending money on 2 players instead might have been helpful. Overall you're probably right. I really don't know. Maybe payroll isn't the main thing, but it certainly gets magnified when you're mismanaging everything else.
   12. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5694594)
Jason heyward is available.


I'll give you Jay Bruce for him
   13. McCoy Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5694610)
Deal
   14. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5694616)
Not buying Heyward's newfound success?
   15. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5694617)
You are?

Cubs could probably waive Bruce immediately and they'd come out ahead.
   16. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5694625)
I didn't say I was buying it, but I think Heyward will be a better baseball player WAR wise than Bruce.
   17. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5694655)
I stand by my mid-April declaration that this team will cruise to 140 victories.

Over 3 seasons? I could see that. 2 might be a bit tight.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5694667)
In 2016 they made a 1 game playoff. Maybe they could have been better with some improvements and not spending money on stupid people like Alejandro de Aza, maybe not. Probably would have lost that game anyway. 2017 and 2018 you have a lot of people getting hurt for sure. Not spending money on Bruce and spending money on 2 players instead might have been helpful. Overall you're probably right. I really don't know. Maybe payroll isn't the main thing, but it certainly gets magnified when you're mismanaging everything else.

I think their problems a #1 Medical and training; they just have way, way too many injuries for it to be simply bad luck. #2 Development of position player prospects; even their best prospects don't seem ready when they reach MLB. #3 Cheap owners.

But, if you don't solve, or at least mitigate, #1 and #2, spending more isn't going to achieve your goals.
   19. DanG Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5694676)
Time to unload David Wright to a team seeking Veteran Leadership. And no worries about him walking away as a free agent, he's signed thru 2020!
   20. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5694680)
I think their problems a #1 Medical and training; they just have way, way too many injuries for it to be simply bad luck. #2 Development of position player prospects; even their best prospects don't seem ready when they reach MLB. #3 Cheap owners


I'm not an expert or anything, but I have a pretty good feeling that #3 is the cause of #1.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5694687)
I'm not an expert or anything, but I have a pretty good feeling that #3 is the cause of #1.

I don't know. Their team doctors have generally been tippy-top specialist in NY. I don't think those guys work cheap.

I think the issue is not with how much they spend, but with adopting the wrong philosophy, like that meat head coach who let Syndergaard add 20 pounds of muscle in one off-season with football workouts.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5694690)
I think Heyward will be a better baseball player WAR wise than Bruce.

Agreed but Heyward is still owed about 5/$100-110 after this year while Bruce is something like 2/$26. Heck, Heyward might even be 8 WAR better than Bruce over those 5 years (I'm not certain Heyward has 8 WAR left in him) and I'd still rather have the money to spend anew.

Which is to say you've got another 5 years of "Jason Heyward is available" McCoy posts to look forward to.
   23. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 18, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5694711)

Agreed but Heyward is still owed about 5/$100-110 after this year while Bruce is something like 2/$26. Heck, Heyward might even be 8 WAR better than Bruce over those 5 years (I'm not certain Heyward has 8 WAR left in him) and I'd still rather have the money to spend anew.



I understand your point and McCoy's point and all the Cubs' fans points about how Heyward's contract is an albatross. At least he hasn't had any negative WAR seasons and it's hard to believe he is toast at 28. The problem is that if the Mets made this completely fantastical trade that would never happen, the Cubs COULD in effect waive Bruce and be done. The Mets will NEVER waive Bruce no matter how bad he gets. And this is the problem with the whole situation. Even if the Mets tear it down, the same people will be executing the rebuild. It is very depressing.
   24. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 18, 2018 at 09:19 PM (#5694839)
I don't trust Alderson et al. to make the right decisions either way.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:10 AM (#5694965)
So if you're trading for "virtually everyone" on the Mets, what do you give up? Will a package of your #10 prospect plus a 26-year-old AA reliever and a 17-year-old Dominican get it done?
   26. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:40 AM (#5694967)
The Mets have had 15 former All-Stars take the field for them this year--no team has more.
   27. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 19, 2018 at 02:11 AM (#5694969)
Mike Barwis is a meathead but don't think you blame the injuries on him. Mets have to do a better job overall with their training program.
   28. wjones Posted: June 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5695100)
The Mets have had 15 former All-Stars take the field for them this year--no team has more.

OK, I will play.

Bautista, Adrian Gonzalez, Jose Reyes, Matt Harvey, Cespedes, Syndegard. That's 6 pretty useless (so far) roster pieces who have made the all-star team. If you could get Wright in a game, you'd have 7.
   29. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5695186)
Cabrera, Frazier, DeGrom, Jay Bruce, Familia?
Conforto
   30. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5695191)
Ramos and Vargas
   31. JJ1986 Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5695193)
Mesoraco?
   32. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: June 19, 2018 at 05:48 PM (#5695596)
Take Jay Bruce off the trade block, he has "upper butt" trouble.

Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
Jay Bruce hits the disabled list, further sapping the Mets' outfield depth MLB.com article
   33. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 20, 2018 at 07:48 AM (#5695912)
Take Jay Bruce off the trade block, he has "upper butt" trouble.

How about Vargas? Do you think there would be an interest for a pitcher with a 8.60 ERA?
   34. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: June 20, 2018 at 09:14 AM (#5695930)
Seaver?
   35. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5696126)
Take Jay Bruce off the trade block, he has "upper butt" trouble.

Something with his mouth?
   36. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5696132)


How about Vargas? Do you think there would be an interest for a pitcher with a 8.60 ERA?


Sure maybe the Mets would be intereste---oh. :(
   37. Stormy JE Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5696144)
Speaking of the medical staff, I heard on a recent Effectively Wild podcast that the Astros to date had used only 29 players from their 40-man roster. It will be interesting to see if this is a small-sample fluke or whether the Houston front office has hit on a formula for protecting player health.
   38. PreservedFish Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5696149)
The health has gotta be a fluke. But it helps, a lot, to have good players - you don't need to demote anyone for lack of performance. Also a winning team can be more patient with slow-starters.
   39. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5696156)
The health has gotta be a fluke


Do you also think the Mets lack of health is a fluke? It FEELS like it's not a fluke but I keep trying to tell myself that it's just a fluke.
   40. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5696159)
Speaking of the medical staff, I heard on a recent Effectively Wild podcast that the Astros to date had used only 29 players from their 40-man roster. It will be interesting to see if this is a small-sample fluke or whether the Houston front office has hit on a formula for protecting player health.


The interview with former umpire Dale Scott on Effectively Wild was really good.
   41. PreservedFish Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5696166)
I think the Mets' woes are mostly a fluke, yes.
   42. Stormy JE Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5696167)
The interview with former umpire Dale Scott on Effectively Wild was really good.
OMG, yes, that interview was so much fun. The only bummer was that Scott's phone connection was at times spotty.
   43. Stormy JE Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5696169)
The health has gotta be a fluke.
Let's ask Tyler Bauer what he thinks.
   44. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5696177)
Matt Harvey is probably available.
   45. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5696183)
OMG, yes, that interview was so much fun. The only bummer was that Scott's phone connection was at times spotty.


Yeah I noticed that. It was kind of annoying. Ben and Jeff do a great job with EW. I hope they stay together for a long time. I know Sam Miller left because he got tired of it lol.

I think the Mets' woes are mostly a fluke, yes.


I know it sounds ridiculous but I wouldn't be surprised if they had a pretty good 2nd half. WC is probably out of the question now due to the nature of the standings and the mathematics involved; but if Cespedes and Noah come back they could be better than .500. For whatever that's worth. (I guess to me it's worth something)
   46. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5696252)
I see that you can't get Effectively Wild on Spotify (??). Could you guys recommend some good baseball (or other) podcasts on Spotify? I've listened to several episodes of Poscast, which are hit or miss for me.
   47. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 20, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5696266)
Is The Ringer baseball podcast on there? It's not as good as EW but it's not bad. Michael Baumann is the host and he frequently has Ben Lindbergh (from EW) on as a guest.

I believe they are working on getting EW on Spotify which would be nice.
   48. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 20, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5696269)
Yeah, I've listened to about 1.25 episodes of The Ringer and like it pretty well so far.

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