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Tuesday, October 16, 2018

Metro Exclusive: Astros may have been cheating in Game 1 against Red Sox

We’ll see.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 16, 2018 at 08:13 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 16, 2018 at 09:20 PM (#5768297)
The un-named person in the article clearly did not make the flight back to Houston for this afternoon's game.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 16, 2018 at 09:29 PM (#5768304)
That’s...weird. It also sounds more like “trying to cheat” than “cheating.” I think it’s interesting, and probably has an impact on time of games, that both teams are mixing up signals from catcher to pitcher even when no one is on. I noticed the Sox doing it the other night and the Astros were doing it today. My guess is it’s just paranoia, same stuff that has everyone putting their glove over their mouth when they talk which is overkill.

I’m not sure what someone hanging out by the dugout can figure out. “Hey AJ, the Sox are probably going to Kimbrel in the 9th” or “hey AJ, the Sox might use Mitch Moreland to pinch hit against a righty.” I mean, yeah, it’s cheating I guess but I can’t get worked up.
   3. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 16, 2018 at 10:14 PM (#5768356)
Between this and the pine tar stuff, these recent Astros teams are giving off some strong Bill Belichick‘s Patriots vibes. I mean, there’s counting cards, and then there’s punching the dealer and stealing his money.
   4. A Baseball Fan Posted: October 16, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5768380)
The Red Sox should be outraged. The Astros are stealing their bit!
   5. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2018 at 10:48 PM (#5768388)
I knew it! This is why the Sox are not up 3-0!
   6. Chip Posted: October 16, 2018 at 10:59 PM (#5768396)
The un-named person in the article clearly did not make the flight back to Houston for this afternoon's game.


The Saudis insist he left the consulate by the back door.
   7. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 16, 2018 at 11:09 PM (#5768416)
   8. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 12:06 AM (#5768463)

Between this and the pine tar stuff, these recent Astros teams are giving off some strong Bill Belichick‘s Patriots vibes.


You mean they've been accused of cheating by ignorant louts?
   9. Scott Ross Posted: October 17, 2018 at 04:02 AM (#5768682)
My guess is it’s just paranoia, same stuff that has everyone putting their glove over their mouth when they talk which is overkill.


I'd always thought it was a little silly, but The Athletic had a piece about how Severino may have been tipping their pitches in the last game against Boston, and one of the bits of evidence they provided was video of JBJ not sufficiently covering his mouth while guessing out loud "Fastball! Fastball!" I dunno...

https://theathletic.com/585330/2018/10/12/theres-video-evidence-that-luis-severino-was-tipping-his-pitches-in-the-playoffs-and-well-before-then/
   10. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:28 AM (#5768745)
So the unnamed mole has been identified:

The Boston Red Sox were warned that a man credentialed by the Houston Astros might try to steal signs or information from their dugout after the Cleveland Indians caught him taking pictures of their dugout with a cellphone camera during Game 3 of the American League Division Series, sources with knowledge of the situation told Yahoo Sports.

A photograph obtained by Yahoo Sports showed a man named Kyle McLaughlin aiming a cell phone into Cleveland’s dugout during the Indians’ 11-3 loss that ended their season. McLaughlin was the same man caught taking pictures near the Red Sox’s dugout during Game 1 of the AL Championship Series, which was first reported by the Metro Times. McLaughlin was removed by security in Cleveland and Boston, sources said.

While McLaughlin is not listed publicly as an Astros employee, photographs on his Instagram account (which has since been deleted) showed him wearing an Astros ID badge as he posed for a picture in 2016 with Astros owner Jim Crane. In another photo, McLaughlin is standing next to a private plane with logos for the Astros and two companies owned by Crane, Crane Worldwide Logistics and Crane Capital Group. McLaughlin removed “Houston Astros” from his biography on his Instagram page Tuesday night.
   11. Lassus Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5768750)
I love how people try and make edits to their online profiles as if it makes any difference.
   12. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5768766)
A photograph obtained by Yahoo Sports showed a man named Kyle McLaughlin

That espionage you like is going to come back in style.
   13. jmurph Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5768786)
I hope everyone who pretended to care deeply about the Red Sox using apple watches last year will pretend to care just as deeply about this. Draft picks! Draft picks!

Just kidding, obviously no one should care about this beyond making fun of the Astros and this man, specifically.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5768873)
I cared. I'm surprised so many people are indifferent to team-level attempts to cheat.
   15. Karl from NY Posted: October 17, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5769083)
I love how people try and make edits to their online profiles as if it makes any difference.

Well, perception bias: we only know when it doesn't work, we never know when somebody edits fast enough that nobody had noted the older version.
   16. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 17, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5769087)
I cared. I'm surprised so many people are indifferent to team-level attempts to cheat.


On the one hand, yeah I care because as you note, cheating is not something to be approved of. On the other hand, I'm just not convinced this is really meaningful. I'm just not sure what benefit they were able to get.
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: October 17, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5769100)
On the one hand, yeah I care because as you note, cheating is not something to be approved of. On the other hand, I'm just not convinced this is really meaningful. I'm just not sure what benefit they were able to get.


I think there's very little to be gained. I just hate team-sanctioned efforts to cheat, even if the payoff is limited. It's a good thing I don't pair my Sox fanhood with one for the Pats, I guess.
   18. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5769117)
I’m pretty disgusted by this and the pinetar thing—and yes, am stunned neither is a bigger story.
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5769209)
   20. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 17, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5769215)
My guess is it’s just paranoia, same stuff that has everyone putting their glove over their mouth when they talk which is overkill.


My guess is that they are paranoid, because they know teams attempt to gain any advantage, including scrutinizing the broadcast.

Each team surely has a handful of dudes in the clubhouse closely watching the broadcast, and run an info they glean to the dugout.

   21. jmurph Posted: October 17, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5769257)
It's a good thing I don't pair my Sox fanhood with one for the Pats, I guess.

Giant eyeroll.

This is semantics but I just don't think of this as cheating (I'm assuming this is sign stealing, for the record, if it's something different I'd react accordingly). Obviously if one defines cheating in the context of sports as any intentional violation of the rules, I think that's totally fair, I just don't use the word that way. (A decade or more into soccer fandom, I still can't get behind the English use of "cheat" when someone dives to fake a foul, either.)

Sign stealing has been around forever and I just see it as a minor thing. As far as I could tell at the time, absolutely no one thought of this as a significant offense until last year when people started calling for draft picks to be taken away from the Red Sox, something that, again as far as I could tell, had been done roughly one time previously, as punishment for a federal crime.

I think of this as something less than scuffing baseballs, or corking bats, I guess?
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 07:15 PM (#5769411)

My guess is that they are paranoid, because they know teams attempt to gain any advantage, including scrutinizing the broadcast.

My guess is they are paranoid because they know what their own team is doing to try to gain an advantage, and assume (correctly) that nearly every other team is doing the same thing.

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