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1. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: July 23, 2009 at 02:06 PM (#3264209)Or an acknowledgment that Minaya doesn't actually have the authority to fire him.
Has a sub-GM front office employee ever been this much of an ####### before?
It'd get rid of one problem for Minaya, and distract people from the others which remain.
Almost certainly. Baseball, like any other industry, has its share of ########. However, most of those ######## have been smart enough to be ######## in non-public places.
Tony did not
( I repeat ),
did NOT treat me that way (at all) and I'd hope that Mr. Madden fixes his story. Don't think Tony deserves that....
In any case, he has to go. You don't mess with the CBW.
They've been empowered to. It's pretty clear they had all this dirt ready to print and just needed the green light.
* What would Chad Bradford wanna do?
After CBW's post, it seems they aren't above making stuff up, either.
One would naturally believe the allegedly wronged individual over n-th hand hearsay, but what fun would that be? Let me be the first to express righteous indignation and say that he was wrong to have screamed at you.
There was someone (Templeusox?) who recently posted a story about being on a little league team coached by Bernazard. From the sound of it, Bernazard has been something of a jerk for a long time.
EDIT: Found it It's post #40 of the linked thread:
But damn, it does sound like someone in the Mets' organization is trying to grease the skids for his exit. I hope Madden isn't making #### up out of whole cloth.
This is so excellent. So basically all the stories we've been reading for days might not be true. Obviously they are being leaked in the most hamfisted hatchet job imaginable. It must be fun to work for the Mets right now.
Anyway, Minaya needs to be fired immediately. This disaster is happening on his watch.
Two enthusiastic thumbs up, Omar.
May you remain the GM for years.
"It puts the lotion in the basket..."
I hope it's not too nitpicky to note that it doesn't matter whether the dirt the people are dishing is actually true. I mean, it should matter to journalists, obviously; but truth isn't an important variable when analyzing the machinations themselves.
I get that, but by exaggerating his goofiness, they're going to make it impossible to latch on with another team. If they want to fire him, they should just fire him. No one really cares about the vice president of player development. The whole thing is bizarre.
For all we know Fred Wilpon leaked this because he is jealous that his son hangs out with Tony B more than his dear old dad.
We demand a public lynching, and if you don't stop now, you will be charged with reckless use of the truth in interference with a mob's performance of it's duties.
Fred Wilpon said when Minaya was hired that Omar would have "complete authority." If Omar can't choose one of his own top underlings, there is a problem.
300 recent threads on the topic disagree.
He also said, "Just like Jim Duquette did." I remember this distinctly.
Maybe Wilpon meant that he'd be giving Omar a copy of the 7'' for Complete Control.
Everybody likes the Clash.
Then for God's sake, make sure you take off your shirt!
Source?
http://tinyurl.com/nqpseh
I would expect that, though. That does nothing to persuade me it didn't happen.
Tinyurl is the haven of tasteless practical joke links.
True, but in my experience it does not take long to figure out which people's links you should click only at your own peril. There are few of those people in the BBTF newsblog threads. Your way IS better, though.
I want baseball to remain pure. But I want the front offices to resemble the WWE.
Accordiing to the linked article, his next bare-chested rant will be his first.
Up until Willie was whacked, guys like Madden were always writing Bernazard-is-the-devil stories, usually sourced by "one Met said." After Willie was fired it was obvious that the "one Met" had been Randolph all along. Of course Madden was Willie's biggest fan and the Snooze devoted a week's worth of front pages shaming the Mets for having fired him.
At around the same time, Rubin wrote an article that suggested Omar was a reluctant hatchet man -- Willie's last friend in an organization where Bernazard had gained increasing influence with Jeff Wilpon. But I got the impression that subsided some when Omar signed an extension after the season.
Omar doesn't strike me as sophisticated enough to orchestrate a smear campaign against Bernazard,especially one that would make him look so incompetent and powerless. So who is the surviving Willie loyalist who wants both Omar and Tony out? Asst. GM Ricco? Other wild speculation?
Anyway, great fun.
What did you do once he took off his shirt?
This is true. You should never click on a tinyurl that I post -- it's definitely tubgirl.
That video is offensive to women. I'm offended by you now.
If you don't like what someone posts, you can skip over it, take it to an Admin, or put them on ignore.
And yes, RB, it was BA and "Not Amused", who previously went by a different handle.
As opposed to how it started???
Tony Bernazard deserves to be fired because he totally embarrasses the organization. CBW's denial of Madden's story notwithstanding (and I have no doubt that Madden got that aspect of it wrong), what has been consistently reported is that Bernazard was abusive to his own employee. CBW didn't say anything about that. I take any refutations of the Binghamton report now as organizational CYA. There is a consistent pattern here.
There is also a pattern of a failing development system in the minors. I have been skeptical of Bernazard's philosophy of rushing players up the system for a while, but thought it was a worthwhile experiment based on a novel concept. But I think empirically it just is not working -- putting players at levels for which they are too young is simply breeding injuries, poor performance, and hurting confidence. He should be fired both for his bad behavior and for being bad at his job.
But Bernazard is a distraction. This point is undeniable, even if it does come from (ugh) Steve Phillips:
A former Mets employee, Steve Phillips, appeared certain he had identified the equation for disaster. The former Mets GM turned TV analyst said on ESPN-1050 that he once told Minaya "Tony has a lot more say than he should." The reason? Phillips said Fred and Jeff Wilpon "don't believe in a chain of command."
Phillips claimed the Wilpons run a "collegial organization" where people on the lower rungs can go directly to people on top. "It sounds nice but it's not functional," Phillips, who provided some of his own embarrassing moments while working for the Mets, said. "It tears at the fiber of an organization....It's a dysfunctional system."
Until the owners stop allowing underlings -- whether they be assistant coaches, assistant GMs, or players -- to infiltrate and undermine the people who are supposed to have authority -- the GM and the manager, this organization will perpetually slide into dysfunction. It may for a brief moment or two flirt with success, but it will always ultimately rot because the Wilpons, Jeff in particular, will allow some ambitious climber to get their confidence and tell them what they want to hear about who is responsible for X or Y problem. It's pernicious, and firing Bernazard, or firing Minaya, or changing managers, isn't going to change it. Only two things will. Selling the team, or some fundamental change in the way the Wilpons do things, will turn it around.
Don't hold your breath.
Go down, Moses! Way down in Egyptland. Go tell Pharoah to let my people gooooo..."
But Bernazard is a distraction. This point is undeniable, even if it does come from (ugh) Steve Phillips:
Well geez, thanks, Sam. Now I don't know what the hell to think.
Well, it's apparent to me now that the Wilpons just will not change their ways. This mess has pulled back the curtain and showed that, if nothing else. Honestly, I can understand the impulse to want to get input from lots of voices. I certainly get the desire of the owners to want to listen to the players. So I don't really fault them (much) for the mistakes of the past, in which the Leiters and the Francos, and the assistant GMs and coaches were undermining Duquette and Phillips and various managers as well. This was particularly true because as it turned out, they were probably pretty justified (in the final analysis) in not having much confidence in those clowns.
But I do fault them for not being able to learn from their mistakes and stop doing the same damn dumb things over and over. If you keep allowing the same dysfunction to lead to organizational chaos, then YOU are the problem. Or at least you are the biggest problem. Yes, this particular season has been lost to a plague of injuries. And yes, Tony Bernazard as an individual employee has to go. But having better luck with health (as we did last year) and getting rid of a power keg in Bernazard (even if they decide to let him finish out the year instead of firing him, and let him quietly resign in November to "pursue other opportunities"), will not change the fundamental problem that will recur.
What should you think? I know what I think: I'm hoping the Wilpons' financial situation is such that their only real alternative is to recapitalize by selling the team. I'm guessing that Madoff left them in a position where a $1B or so would come in real handy. Let them hang around as 10% minority owners with a nice luxury box so Fred can schmooze clients and keep reminiscing about the Brooklyn Dodgers.
I think, like most, as I've said in another thread, that the Wilpons cannot be trusted to hire anyone decent. This is the main reason I'm against firing Omar. I fear the replacement more than I do Omar.
The billionaires will come out of the woodwork for a chance at the Mets. A bigger fear for Mets fans is they might attract a corporate buyer.
At this point, I think that Omar & Jerry are lesser issues than the dysfunction in the FO. I had hoped that the apparent confidence that the Wilpons had in Minaya when they hired him would put an end to all of that -- i.e., that it was because they didn't really have any confidence in Duquette when they gave him the job that they allowed him to be undermined by everyone (OK, almost everyone) in the organization. Now, it's clear that it's endemic -- a guy can start out with their support and confidence, and seem to impose order and structure on the system. And then it falls apart because they can't help themselves.
I would think no solid, experienced GM would come within 100 miles of Citifield and the Wilpons, at least not unless they promised not to come within 100 miles of the place (which they won't, of course). So I doubt they could hire anybody decent, even if they stumbled into the idea somehow. And they will never, ever admit or recognize that they are the biggest problem, especially not when they have such easy excuses at hand ("Look at all these injuries!").
I think it's already happened over the years, Sam. Hasn't it been documented that Gillick, Sabean (thank GOD!) & Beinfest turned them down between Phillips & Duquette?
The same was said about the Leafs over the years, and they've managed to attract a decent selection of GMs (Cliff Fletcher, Pat Quinn, Brian Burke). Really, it becomes a matter of how much they're willing to pay, how badly the GMs want to be in a big market, and how much they want to play with a big budget. If the Mets really want to, they can get themselves a premium GM.
Bill McCorry? McCorry served as a senior scout (or cross-checker) and also handled the Yankees' travel arrangements.
"No (nannied) will ever have a berth on a train I'm running." Bill McCorry -- 1953
When he was asked to check up a young Mays, he reported that Mays couldn't hit a curve. Most people believe it was a flat lie because McCorry didn't want Mays signed. Other reports of Mays were a tad more optimistic.
Here's how the Giants saw Mays with a few months of the McCorry report.
Major league prospect. Possesses strong arm and wrists, has some power, hits to all fields, runs good, has good baseball instinct, wants to learn, gets good jump on fly balls, has one of the strongest, most accurate arms in baseball, should play AAA ball next year, breaking ball bothers him some, hits with men on, winning type of ballplayer.
And a year after this:
[...] outstanding player on the Minneapolis club and probably in all minor leagues for that matter. He is now in one of the best hitting streaks imaginable (hit .607 in May 1951). hits to all fields, and hits all pitches, hits the ball where it is pitched as good as any player seen in many days. Every thing that he does is sensational. Has made the most spectacular catches. Runs and throws with the best of them. [...] This player is the best prospect in America, it was a banner day for the Giants when this boy signed.
Adam Rubin at the Daily News originally published the story and said that Bernazard yelled at his own assistant, not a scout. The scouts were merely there at the same time (along with presumably some fans), sitting in seats, watching the game.
A few days later, Madden gets the story wrong in his column, incorrectly stating that Bernazard yelled at the scout. So the DB scout was merely correcting Madden's version of the story. And in today's Daily News, the scout neither denies or confirms Rubin's original story. He just says he cannot say it was wrong. Which is kind of strange. He should have simply told Rubin he either did or did not see Bernazard yell at a Met employee.
But not many are doubting Rubin's original story. Bernazard has a long history of pissing off people since he was hired by the Mets. He should be fired.
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