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mets gm search kim ng | Newsday

On paper, Ng very much fits the mold of what the Mets are believed to be looking for. She is a baseball lifer after graduating from the University of Chicago, where she played softball. Ng joined the White Sox’s front office in 1990 and is said to be adept at blending new-school analytics with old-school scouting. She even spent part of her childhood in Queens.
Currently, Ng oversees all of MLB’s international operations — an arena ripe with corruption that the league has been trying to clean up — and works closely with all 30 teams.

Torre, a former Mets infielder (1975-77) and manager (1977-81), is confident that Ng would be a good choice for the Mets or any other team.
“I’m a little biased,” he said. “But she’s got a lot to give.”

Jim Furtado Posted: October 22, 2018 at 06:01 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PreservedFish Posted: October 22, 2018 at 07:51 AM (#5772225)
The Mets are really intent on interviewing 2002's hottest GM prospects.

I'd be happy for Ng to get a shot, but there's something strange about the post-Madoff Mets hiring two consecutive GMs from out of the MLB central offices.

I suspect that the "we are anti-analytics" thing is smokescreen to some extent - it would be ludicrous to look at the teams succeeding lately and conclude that they have the wrong approach. Possibly they think that an old-timer is more likely to be pliable and complacent, which fits with their new mid-market spending philosophy and aversion to rebuilding efforts.
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:35 AM (#5772235)
headline write good
   3. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:51 AM (#5772239)
A lot of staff cutbacks in the newspaper biz. Newsday has been forced to hire a cockroach who painfully hurls himself at the typewriter keys one at a time.
   4. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:54 AM (#5772240)
Ng is considerably younger than I thought. Given how long we'd been hearing about her I would have guessed late 50s/early 60s.
   5. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:03 AM (#5772241)
If the Mets want her, they'll have to say "Ng please."
   6. PreservedFish Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5772246)
I knew a kid named Bill Ng, but he was from Africa, and he pronounced it "nyuh."
   7. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5772248)
Neither TFA nor googling indicates when she actually took over oversight of international operations.

Depending on the date, I'd be willing to say that she's either done great work to at least start cleaning up a toxic mess, or, she contributed to the problem until her hand was forced.

I suppose you could say that MLB oversight of the perfidies rampant in INTL signings is better than it's been in... welll... forever.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5772249)
I don't really want the Mets to hire someone who works for the league, but that seems better than hiring an agent which they are also seriously considering.
   9. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5772257)
Neither TFA nor googling indicates when she actually took over oversight of international operations.

Depending on the date, I'd be willing to say that she's either done great work to at least start cleaning up a toxic mess, or, she contributed to the problem until her hand was forced.

I suppose you could say that MLB oversight of the perfidies rampant in INTL signings is better than it's been in... welll... forever.


I guess we could look at the tea leaves and read them however we want. They could be showing that MLB needs to clean house on the international side so they are pushing her out quietly and this story is floating out there to not kill her career. Or it could be that MLB is setting up a golden parachute to keep her quiet. Or she cleaned house so well that they are rewarding her with a GM position.
   10. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5772262)
I guess we could look at the tea leaves and read them however we want. They could be showing that MLB needs to clean house on the international side so they are pushing her out quietly and this story is floating out there to not kill her career. Or it could be that MLB is setting up a golden parachute to keep her quiet. Or she cleaned house so well that they are rewarding her with a GM position.


IDK - MLB penalties for international malfeasance have gotten fairly significant over the last few years - and broad-based.

It resulted in the Cubs getting their hands smacked, but the ban instituted last year against transactions with the Mexican league was probably both appropriate and needed.

I'm just wondering if her purview when she joined MLB ops in 2011 included international oversight or not. If her oversight goes back to 2011, I'm less impressed. If it was a more recent thing - say, 2015 or so - then I'd give her more credit.
   11. QLE Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5772272)
A lot of staff cutbacks in the newspaper biz. Newsday has been forced to hire a cockroach who painfully hurls himself at the typewriter keys one at a time.


I always assumed that archy was in a position to demand a higher salary from Newsday....
   12. PreservedFish Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5772282)
They could be showing that MLB needs to clean house on the international side so they are pushing her out quietly and this story is floating out there to not kill her career. Or it could be that MLB is setting up a golden parachute to keep her quiet. Or she cleaned house so well that they are rewarding her with a GM position.


I don't think any of these make much sense, except perhaps the last one, and that would need a conspiratorial agreement between the league and the Mets to make sense. That's not impossible - who knows what went on after Madoff - but still, if the league somehow had the power to place whoever they wanted in the Mets GM role, they'd be doing it for other reasons, making it far from a simple GM appointment.
   13. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5772283)
I can't say for sure but it looks like she has been involved on the international side from the get go (2011). I know that she was overseeing it in May of 2012 based on the articles I've found and it looks like from the interviews and articles that she has been doing it since she got hired.
   14. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5772288)
I wouldn't say they had the "power" but with the Mets I think they definitely have influence and it isn't even a conspiracy (a negative term) to influence the Mets. MLB might truly think she did a great job and a)Kim wants to be a GM so they want to help her become one or b)Kim wants to move up but within MLB there is no higher position available and MLB doesn't want to see her abilities and hardwork go unrewarded so they are helping her get a promotion.

Either scenario happens all the time in the business world. Both A and B have happened to me.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5772295)
Yes, McCoy, agreed with all that. I thought you were referring to her just simply being given the job rather than MLB supporting her candidacy.
   16. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5772324)
I can't say for sure but it looks like she has been involved on the international side from the get go (2011). I know that she was overseeing it in May of 2012 based on the articles I've found and it looks like from the interviews and articles that she has been doing it since she got hired.


Well, if that's the case - I'm inclined to give her a bit less credit for the more recent MLB efforts to clean up the problem.

I'll grant - in the case of MLB, which is basically an org representing the owners, such a cleanup effort has obstacles one might not see elsewhere.... but that's an awfully long ramp-up time to start doing actual work cleaning up a problem (a problem that is far more and far worse than a few fake birthdays).
   17. PreservedFish Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5772344)

I'll grant - in the case of MLB, which is basically an org representing the owners, such a cleanup effort has obstacles one might not see elsewhere.... but that's an awfully long ramp-up time to start doing actual work cleaning up a problem (a problem that is far more and far worse than a few fake birthdays).


That seems pretty unfair to me. It could have taken her years to even get approval to start doing the clean-up. And years to even start to understand the scope of the problem. You can't just fly down to Venezuela and be like, "you guys take any bribes lately?"
   18. Master of the Horse Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5772385)
Brewer fans totally support MLB making Ng as Mets GM by whatever means necessary. If folks don't get the sarcasm supposedly Stearns wants to some day be a New York GM and nobody in Milwaukee wants Stearns to realize that goal at least not yet.
   19. Adam Starblind Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5772424)
I look at this a little differently. How could Kim Ng have gotten this far in Major League Baseball without being exceptionally good? [shut up, guys] Is there any other woman who's had even close to the career she has?

Look, plenty of professions have people in them who have risen to the highest levels when it's obvious to almost everyone that the person is a moron. But I think we have to acknowledge the possibility here that Ng is brilliant.
   20. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5772431)
That seems pretty unfair to me. It could have taken her years to even get approval to start doing the clean-up. And years to even start to understand the scope of the problem. You can't just fly down to Venezuela and be like, "you guys take any bribes lately?"


I'm not taking her to task for it - I'm just saying that I'm inclined to give her less credit. I.e., I do think MLB has recently made some good moves to clean up the international cesspool. I just don't think that they should have taken 7 years.

I look at this a little differently. How could Kim Ng have gotten this far in Major League Baseball without being exceptionally good? [shut up, guys] Is there any other woman who's had even close to the career she has?

Look, plenty of professions have people in them who have risen to the highest levels when it's obvious to almost everyone that the person is a moron. But I think we have to acknowledge the possibility here that Ng is brilliant.


On the general matter of whether she should get a GM job?

Absolutely. To the extent I'm in any position to judge her qualifications, I'd say that she's certainly well-qualified.

I mean, in a world where a complete and utter failure like Littlefield gets an interview there's no contest.
   21. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5772432)
I look at this a little differently. How could Kim Ng have gotten this far in Major League Baseball without being exceptionally good? [shut up, guys] Is there any other woman who's had even close to the career she has?

Look, plenty of professions have people in them who have risen to the highest levels when it's obvious to almost everyone that the person is a moron. But I think we have to acknowledge the possibility here that Ng is brilliant


In a lot of ways it is pretty hard to fail when you get high enough up. I mean how do you measure success and failure at the level Kim is at? For some of her past positions it looks like it would be fairly easy to access success and failure but at the same time they also don't look all that difficult in terms of succeeding. For instance she was the Director of Waivers and Records for MLB for a year. Success would require her to know the transaction rules of baseball and apply them correctly. For the White Sox and other teams she worked on arbitration cases and presented them as well.

MLB has clearly shown a desire to keep her around. She worked for them after the White Sox and then went to work for them again after she topped out at the Dodgers.
   22. bobm Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5772434)
She should get the job just so we don't have to ever again read the headline "Perpetual candidate Kim Ng is interviewing for the vacant [insert team name] GM job."
   23. PreservedFish Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5772437)
I'm sure she's very intelligent, but it's impossible for us to know how good a GM she would make. She was a hot GM prospect back in the days when you'd applaud if your GM appeared to be even slightly aware of OBP. Things have moved so fast since then.
   24. Batman Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5772439)
She should get the job just so we don't have to ever again read the headline "Perpetual candidate Kim Ng is interviewing for the vacant [insert team name] GM job."
Or "[insert team name] gm search kim ng"
   25. formerly dp Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5772486)
Is there anyone else on the list who looks remotely appealing?
   26. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:16 PM (#5772524)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
Source: Chaim Bloom, Doug Melvin and Brodie Van Wagenen are the Mets' three GM finalists. They will conduct call-back interviews beginning tomorrow. All other candidates are out.

Two of these names are pretty obviously made up, so looks like Doug Melvin is the choice.
   27. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5772525)
Bloom seems like the only reasonable one of those 3 options.
   28. formerly dp Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5772533)
Doug ####### Melvin has got to be just about the least inspired choice they can make...please no...
   29. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5772540)
I’d say someone Littlefield or hendry might be the most uninspired choice.
   30. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5772547)
I guess Megdal isn't in the running.
   31. , Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5772567)
I understand that it's impossible to know whether someone who has never been a GM will be a good one.

But, for someone who HAS been a GM, it's possible to know.

And yet...

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