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Wednesday, September 12, 2018

Mets’ Jacob deGrom Sets Record With 26th Straight Start Allowing Three Runs or Fewer

There’s something of a weird everyman appeal to this story, though I’m reasonably sure deGrom wishes it wasn’t so.

If the Mets were searching for a silver lining this season, look no further than the play of ace righthander Jacob deGrom.

On Tuesday, deGrom registered his 26th straight start allowing three runs or fewer, surrendering just two runs across seven innings against the Marlins. The previous record was set by Leslie “King” Cole in 1908. It took 108 years for his mark to be topped. Once again though, the Mets handed their ace a tough-luck loss. deGrom’s record dropped to 8-9 on the year.

His quality outing actually raised his league-leading ERA from 1.68 to 1.71. Such is life for a top Cy Young Award candidate. It would still be the lowest single-season ERA for a pitcher since Zack Greinke finished the 2015 season with a 1.66 figure for the Dodgers.

QLE Posted: September 12, 2018 at 09:25 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jacob degrom, mets, mets being mets, mets let him down

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   1. Rally Posted: September 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5742831)
Ryan Stanek's streak is at 25 starts. He won't go tonight as Blake Snell is listed as the starter, but probably will get one or three starts over the weekend. Just a matter of time. He can rack up starts a lot quicker than deGrom can.
   2. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5742833)
Ryan M. Spaeder @theaceofspaeder 9h9 hours ago

Pitchers with 24 or more straight appearances as a starter allowing three or fewer runs:

Jake Arrieta (29): 24-1 | Cubs: 27-2
Corey Kluber (26): 20-3 | Indians: 20-6
Jacob deGrom (26): 6-8 | Mets: 9-17
Clayton Kershaw (24): 19-2 | Dodgers: 22-2
Doc Gooden (24): 18-3 | Mets: 19-5
   3. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: September 12, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5742898)
Ryan Stanek's streak is at 25 starts.


Stanek does not qualify for this list, as you well know.
   4. BDC Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5742908)
Stanek does not qualify for this list, as you well know


But actually that's what people were saying in the other thread: DeGrom doesn't qualify, either. There's a 1-inning start in his 26. Since that 1-inning start, he has a streak of 21 at six or more innings with 3 or fewer runs, which is extremely good, but it only ties a similar streak Johan Santana had in 2004, and Arrieta still has the longer streak that extends over more than a single season. Peg the IP at five instead of six, and there are several longer than deGrom's; Corey Kluber had one of 26 at 5-IP over last year and this one.

DeGrom's achievement is really great, but requires some narrow definitions to make it unique. There are so many permutations of streak here that it's a pretty fuzzy record and probably best just appreciated "holistically" :)
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5742916)
My theory: It's all a conspiracy. Brian Kenney convinced deGrom and the Mets to do this to show the world once and for all how ridiculous and stupid pitcher wins are.
   6. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5742920)
DeGrom doesn't qualify, either. There's a 1-inning start in his 26. Since that 1-inning start, he has a streak of 21 at six or more innings with 3 or fewer runs,


I did not know that. I agree, this disqualifies deGrom from this "record." I'd peg the innings at 5, the traditional number of games a "starter" must go to earn a "win," and the length of an official game.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5742922)
But does a <5IP <3ER game mean that the streak is broken, or just suspended? You don't lose a hitting streak if you pinch-hit and get an IBB or sac fly. (Maybe, actually I have no idea)
   8. Ziggy's screen name Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5742926)
That's a bad analogy. A sac fly doesn't result in an AB. Pitching 1 inning does mean that you pitched in a game. A better analogy would be if you pitched <5 innings and then the game was called for rain. (Which obviously wouldn't count because you, officially at least, didn't appear in a game.)
   9. PreservedFish Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5742927)
I know it's not a perfect analogy, but I still think it's a fair question.
   10. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: September 12, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5742939)
For me it would depend on why he came out before the fifth. Was he laboring with the bases juiced an nobody out, and his pen bailed him out by stranding all three inherited runners in fifth? No. Was he Kapler'd out by an antsy manager in a key at bat situation in the bottom of the fourth? Yes. It's hella subjective, but it's a hella subjective record anyway.
   11. JJ1986 Posted: September 12, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5742971)
He was just back from injury and had a really long (scoreless) first. Also, the weather was bad.
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5742978)
deGrom threw something like 45 pitches in that scoreless single inning vs the Phillies - they fouled off more than 20 pitches. maybe it was Richie Asburn T-Shirt Day?

also off an injury, weather not great, and it's the Mets.

this record is a bit silly regardless. great SPs used to routinely allow 3 runs or fewer thru 6 or 7 innings. but in the 8th or 9th, their "reliever" - well, it was still them - might allow a 4th run, often in a win.
   13. Rally Posted: September 12, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5742986)
Yeah Howie. For those who missed the last deGrom streak thread, here's what I found out by looking at Bob Gibson's 1968 game logs:

"Gibson's 19 game streak came to an end when he gave up a 4th run in the 9th and a 5th run in the 11th. Pull him after 8 like modern pitchers and the streak continues. Then he stretches it to 23. He gave up 6 runs in 9 innings the next game, but all 6 scored in the last 3 innings.

He would have finished the year with 31 straight in any kind of modern pitching staff management. Nothing too extreme, just pull him after 8 unless he's throwing a shutout or after 7 if he's hit hard in the 7th.

The only time he gave up more than 3 runs before completing 7 innings that year was 4/20, when he gave up 2 in the first and two in the 5th. And then of course completed the game."
   14. BDC Posted: September 12, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5742995)
great SPs used to routinely allow 3 runs or fewer thru 6 or 7 innings. but in the 8th or 9th, their "reliever" - well, it was still them - might allow a 4th run, often in a win


That's true, but doing it 20+ times in a row wasn't routine. I searched for streaks of ≥8 inning starts with ≤4 runs, and there are only two of 20 or more games in the B-Ref database: Hal Newhouser had a streak of 25 in 1945, and somebody named Russ Ford of the New York Highlanders had one of 20 in 1910-11. Bob Gibson had a streak of 19 such games in 1968, as Rally mentioned in the other deGrom thread, as did a few deadball stars (Coombs, Alexander, Cicotte).

I was skeptical too about the achievement till I looked up some relevant streaks. It's the consecutive aspect that's so unusual, not the number or even the quality of games – as I guess is true with any kind of streak, by definition.

   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5743045)
Such is life for a top Cy Young Award candidate. It would still be the lowest single-season ERA for a pitcher since Zack Greinke finished the 2015 season with a 1.66 figure for the Dodgers.

We should note that Citi Field has the most pitcher-friendly environment (.726) in MLB for 2018, while the other leading NL Cy Young candidate, Max Scherzer, somewhat surprisingly to me, pitches in the 3rd worst at Nationals Park (1.162).
   16. bunyon Posted: September 12, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5743048)
It's a dumb streak "record". OTOH, he's pitched extremely well this season and would be 45-2 on the Red Sox.

"Gibson's 19 game streak came to an end when he gave up a 4th run in the 9th and a 5th run in the 11th. Pull him after 8 like modern pitchers and the streak continues. Then he stretches it to 23. He gave up 6 runs in 9 innings the next game, but all 6 scored in the last 3 innings.

This is the best argument I've seen for modern pitching usage. I wonder what Gibson's career ERA is in the first six innings?
   17. BDC Posted: September 12, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5743053)
I wonder what Gibson's career ERA is in the first six innings?


2.80
   18. perros Posted: September 12, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5743055)
deGrom is a terrific pitcher. Love to see him with the Dodgers.
   19. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 12, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5743069)
deGrom is a terrific pitcher. Love to see him with the Dodgers.


They can talk to him after 2020. Just like the Yankees.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5743115)
"lowest single-season ERA for a pitcher since Zack Greinke finished the 2015 season."

my first act upon being elected to public office would be to apprehend - and then summarily execute - anyone who writes that something in 2018 is 'the most/least/highest/lowest since' anywhere from 2013-17. probably a decreasing fine amount from 2012 to 2008 or so.
   21. Cblau Posted: September 12, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5743236)
King Cole wasn't even in the majors in 1908. He set the record in 1910.
   22. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: September 12, 2018 at 09:27 PM (#5743250)
We should note that Citi Field has the most pitcher-friendly environment (.726) in MLB for 2018, while the other leading NL Cy Young candidate, Max Scherzer, somewhat surprisingly to me, pitches in the 3rd worst at Nationals Park (1.162).

We should also note that if you use multiyear PFs the difference between the stadiums would look a lot smaller, and that you probably wouldn't have mentioned it all if not for the teams these pitchers play for.
   23. Sweatpants Posted: September 12, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5743342)
King Cole wasn't even in the majors in 1908. He set the record in 1910.
That looks like a typo, in the article's defense, because they correctly listed the number of years it took to break the record.
somebody named Russ Ford of the New York Highlanders had one of 20 in 1910-11
Ford was a pioneer of doctoring the ball. I think that he invented (or widely popularized) the scuffball or the emeryball.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2018 at 11:38 PM (#5743349)
Taillon for PIT gets his 19th straight today in this silly category.

this is going to turn into the same stupidity that has most managers bringing in their closer with a 3-run lead in the 9th even if that closer has been busy of late.

if you don't have more than 1 pitcher who can hold a 3-run lead with 3 outs to go, it's time to make a trade and/or fire the GM.

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